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Hmm, yeah, I suppose that makes sense.
I should have qualified that modern low-bitrate mp3 was passable at least, even if there are better alternatives. I do still listen to radio and internet radio after all :/
We might crow but content > presentation still. 



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Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Mp3 is officially dead

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> Eli,
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> Good points. However, I would submit that an ABX test situation is pretty un-natural to begin with, and will (1) likely require critical listening (2) look for consistently detected *differences* between A and B. As for non-critical listening, the proof is in the market pudding --if low-bitrate MP3s were so bad, they would not be so ubiquitous. (Same as with compact cassettes, VHS, or telephone receivers) However, I agree with you that using the umbrella term "MP3" (or "LP" or "tape" for that matter) is not very useful --the bit-rate is extremely important. Which is why I prefer "extreme" tests, which test the limits of both the format and our perception.
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> Glad you enjoyed the sources!
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> Cheers,
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> Marcos
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> Marcos Sueiro Bal
> Senior Archivist, New York Public Radio
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> From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Eli Bildirici
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 4:19 PM
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> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Mp3 is officially dead
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> These are good critiques - the sample size also struck me right away - though it is not the only study to come to such conclusions (I don't have them handy unfortunately). Phrasing the question as you did though sounds problematic - if people are asked to pick out artifacts it might put them in a 'critical' frame of mind that could skew results somehow, right? I don't doubt people would begin 'hearing things' in pristine, uncompressed sources. 
> These resources seem pretty cool though - looking forward to perusing them, thanks for sharing!
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