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Yes, the vendors will be expected to insert appropriate punctuation _into their displays_, where necessary to replace the ISBD punctuation which will no longer be in the MARC record itself.  Vendors already manipulate punctuation in their displays, so this is nothing new.  For instance, no ILS system simply concatenates all the subfields of a subject heading together.  They insert a double dash.  This is just an extension of that, letting computers do the work of figuring out what punctuation to use rather than requiring catalogers to figure it out.  The proposal says that PCC will work with vendors to make sure they can get that functionality installed before the change is fully implemented in the MARC records.

 

                                                                        Steve McDonald

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From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Gene Fieg
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Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] Removing Punctuation in MARC records (PCC ISBD and MARC Task Group Revised Final Report (2016): a timeline

 

I am getting a bit confused here.  The vendors/ILSs will put the punctuation back in?

 

I am a bit concerned how a non-punctuated record will appear to the patron.  We should not just be concerned with how bib data will be seen/managed by machines. 

For instance: In the past we might have this kind of entry:

Tom Sawyer / $c Mark Twain ; ubersetzt von Peter Zweig

which would display: Tom Sawyer / Mark Twain ; ubersetzt von Peter Zweig ( a beatiful sentence pressentation)

Now it would be:

Tom Sawyer $c Mark Twain $d ubersetzt von Peter Zweig

would be

Tom Sawyer Mark Twain ubersetzt von Peter Zweig (Not so nice)

 

And if you want to see a really bad example of this, wait till we construct a contents note with no punctuation; I saw one recently.  Ugly!

 

Are we losing sight of the patron in all of out electronic, coding manipulations?

 

As a member of an editorial board, I am also concerned about receiving even more articles with no knowledge of grammar, punctuation, more run-on sentences, etc.  I have seen to much of it.  I have seen it in journals dedicated to cataloging.  As professionals, it should stop.  I am afraid that the people I took cataloging with (Geesh!  All that punctuation, who needs it?) are now running the show. 

 

Gene Fieg

 

On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 9:04 AM, McDonald, Stephen <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

It is not merely the proponents who expect ILS systems to insert appropriate punctuation after this is implemented.  The proposal itself requires the PCC to work with vendors to make sure that they implement punctuation before it is fully implemented.  It is a necessary component of the proposal.  So it is not at all misleading.

 

                                                                        Steve McDonald

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From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Gemberling, Ted P
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A belated response to this thread. Looking over the comments that have been made, it seems a big problem with this initiative is that it is presented as deleting ISBD punctuation when it’s actually just changing the way it’s put on OPAC displays.

The beginning of the rationale statement was: “In brief, the rationale for removing the ISBD punctuation is that since the ISBD punctuation was designed for the card catalog format, it is now an unnecessary burden within MARC …”

 

Misleading since the proponents seem to expect, if I understand them correctly, that space, semicolon, space will be inserted by OPAC’s after 245 $c if there are one or more $d’s.  

 

If that’s an incorrect interpretation of their intent, does that mean that in “245 10 $a How to play chess $c Kevin Wicker $d with a foreword by David Pritchard $d illustrated by Karel Feuerstein,” we are going to display something like “additional author” every time there’s a $d?

 

Ted Gemberling

UAB Lister Hill Library

 

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Subject: [PCCLIST] Removing Punctuation in MARC records (PCC ISBD and MARC Task Group Revised Final Report (2016): a timeline

 

Hi all,

 

The attached is a brief rationale and a timeline for implementing the recommendations of the PCC ISBD and MARC Task Group (Revised Final Report 2016).

 

The Task Group recommendation is at https://www.loc.gov/aba/pcc/documents/isbdmarc2016.pdf

 

Here, in the body of this message, is the text of the attached, the rationale and the timeline for action.

 

Rationale:

A fuller rationale for removing ISBD punctuation from MARC records is in the report of the PCC ISBD and MARC Task Group Final Report (2016). In brief, the rationale for removing the ISBD punctuation is that since the ISBD punctuation was designed for the card catalog format, it is now an unnecessary burden within MARC; and that, as we prepare for a post-MARC bibliographic environment, the ISBD punctuation is a hindrance to that transition. 

 

The argument against making the change is a pragmatic one that combines concerns about timing—doing this just at MARC’s ‘end-of-life’ moment—and the potential for labor-intensive disruption in that time. In 2014, it was thought that the impact of the change on our systems before the anticipated migration to linked data and BIBFRAME in 3-5 years would be a double whammy that should be avoided, and we hoped removing the ISBD punctuation could be handled on the conversion of our MARC data to BIBFRAME.  But in 2017, the anticipated migration seems at least as far off as it did in 2014: a sure sign that imminence was over-predicted. 

 

Removing the ISBD punctuation would improve MARC as a format for bibliographic data for the duration of the MARC format’s use. As noted above, the use of MARC can be reasonably expected to continue far longer than some anticipated in 2014. The benefits of removing ISBD punctuation from MARC records include:

               

MARC coding can be used alone to designate parts of the bibliographic description, eliminating the redundancy of parallel input of punctuation and MARC coding. Eliminating most punctuation from MARC records simplifies data entry and allows catalogers to focus solely on coding to better identify parts of the bibliographic description. It also allows for flexibility in the design of online displays without the need for suppressing punctuation. Omission of ISBD punctuation in MARC records is routine in other MARC formats used around the world.

 

MARC 21 will be around for many years with millions of additional records created as libraries slowly move to working with BIBFRAME. With a transition to BIBFRAME, local systems and bibliographic utilities will need the ability to readily map data back and forth, i.e., BIBFRAME to MARC and MARC to BIBFRAME. Those mapping programs would be greatly simplified and more easily maintained if punctuation did not have to be added or removed at the same time. Developing programs now to remove punctuation from MARC 21 will facilitate a transition to BIBFRAME in the future.


Actions:

1.       TIMELINE: new start date set to Jan. 1, 2018 for going live with the permission to not use ISBD punctuation; 9-10 months to prepare and adapt.

a.       Phase 1: Now to ALA Annual 2017:  Make and distribute record sets for initial preparation testing for impact in local systems, etc.

b.       Phase 2: July 1, 2017-Oct. 1, 2017: Use this preparatory period (3 months) to complete initial testing of record sets in local systems and report on impact.

Initial testing is for non-access points in bibliographic records. Vendors shall be made aware that further testing will address access points and authority records, where applicable.   Furthermore, only records with ISBD punctuation are included in the initial testing.  The records do not include coding that needs to be developed by MAC.

c.       Phase 3: Oct.  1, 2017 to Jan. 1, 2018:  Analyze results of testing in local systems, and evaluate responses from system vendors (including any projections they may have regarding development and release of upgrades to accommodate proposed changes). Use this second preparatory period (3 months) to understand or make any local changes necessary to tools, workflows, policies.

d.       Phase 4: Jan. 1, 2018-? Based on analysis of phase 3, develop timeline, revise specifications, plan changes to tools, workflows, policies as necessary.

January 1, 2018 is a “check-in” date to understand the status after hearing from vendors, testers, etc.

1. might vendors need to fold punctuation changes into a multi-year development cycle?

2. Will there be any MAC actions and MARC documentation updates needed?

3. Confirm assumption that this proposal would ease conversion to linked data.

 

2.       COMMUNICATION: PCC community outreach to stakeholders (i.e. local system vendors: ILMS and discovery tool providers) Goes through all 4 phases.

a.       OCLC will reach out to ILMS vendors

b.       PCC group will also reach out to discovery tool vendors (some overlap between a & b; redundancy OK)

c.       PCC institutional members reach out to vendors as customers

d.       PCC Steering will monitor progress through each phase and chair will report to PoCo and PCC

 

3.       TESTING RECORD SETS: OCLC and LC will create and distribute small record sets for PCC institutional members and vendors to use to test impact of ISBD-punctuation-less records on import, workflow, indexing, sorting, display, etc.

a.       OCLC will have some number of pairs of records (with punctuation/without punctuation) --some English, some German--to test by end of phase 1

b.       LC will have some number of pairs of records (with punctuation/without punctuation) to test by end of phase 1

c.       PCC institutions may create pairs of records (with punctuation/without punctuation), too.

d.       PCC institutional members and vendors will report on impact (using the test record sets) at end of phase 2

 

The phases 1-3 above, in short, prepare us to systematically and effectively remove unneeded punctuation from the MARC records. Phase 4, beginning Jan. 1, 2018, is when preparation will morph into implementation.

 

PCC will be working through Policy Committee, the Standing Committees—each will have its role, and whatever ad hoc or temporary groups may be needed.

 

Thank you and all the best to you,

 

Matthew Beacom

PCC Chair

 

Lori Robare

PCC Chair-Elect

 

Kate Harcourt

PCC Past Chair