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The biggest obstacle I see is the speed at which ILS vendors will implement programming to properly/legibly display the data. (And in a way that doesn't require massive configuration work on the part of each user institution.) If we're lucky, the bibliographic utilities and cataloging service vendors will provide the option of having punctuation supplied in downloaded/purchased records, for the sake of those libraries whose systems cannot properly or easily handle the punctuation-free records. (And yes, I firmly believe there will be some of those libraries, at least at the beginning.) Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Libraries Northwestern University www.library.northwestern.edu<http://www.library.northwestern.edu> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> 847.491.2939 Proudly wearing the sensible shoes since 1978! From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Adam L. Schiff Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 2:22 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] Removing Punctuation in MARC records (PCC ISBD and MARC Task Group Revised Final Report (2016): a timeline Sheesh, yes the ILS can be configured to put the necessary punctuation back in, IF the ILS displays data that way to begin with. Please read the proposal itself. Not ALL punctuation necessarily gets omitted. In a 505 note containing just a single $a, the dashes between titles would still have to be included. It is the presence of separate subfields that tells the machine what kind of punctuation to add in front of the subfield. This is not rocket science. Adam Schiff University of Washington Libraries Get Outlook for iOS<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__aka.ms_o0ukef&d=DwMF-g&c=yHlS04HhBraes5BQ9ueu5zKhE7rtNXt_d012z2PA6ws&r=_8sm0BMEposbPqfkWv4C0ORbG0F1D_ZhRbbftGu7I50&m=a8zpG0JRGH5FZ0e1jSHRiayJO9qxU0pth78tBbnni9s&s=-wHxqrffB6I07fXX3p2_er18XQS-6kU8tGcLxS3XJSs&e=> ________________________________ From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> on behalf of Gene Fieg <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 11:41:39 AM To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Removing Punctuation in MARC records (PCC ISBD and MARC Task Group Revised Final Report (2016): a timeline I am getting a bit confused here. The vendors/ILSs will put the punctuation back in? I am a bit concerned how a non-punctuated record will appear to the patron. We should not just be concerned with how bib data will be seen/managed by machines. For instance: In the past we might have this kind of entry: Tom Sawyer / $c Mark Twain ; ubersetzt von Peter Zweig which would display: Tom Sawyer / Mark Twain ; ubersetzt von Peter Zweig ( a beatiful sentence pressentation) Now it would be: Tom Sawyer $c Mark Twain $d ubersetzt von Peter Zweig would be Tom Sawyer Mark Twain ubersetzt von Peter Zweig (Not so nice) And if you want to see a really bad example of this, wait till we construct a contents note with no punctuation; I saw one recently. Ugly! Are we losing sight of the patron in all of out electronic, coding manipulations? As a member of an editorial board, I am also concerned about receiving even more articles with no knowledge of grammar, punctuation, more run-on sentences, etc. I have seen to much of it. I have seen it in journals dedicated to cataloging. As professionals, it should stop. I am afraid that the people I took cataloging with (Geesh! All that punctuation, who needs it?) are now running the show. Gene Fieg