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I agree that good vinyl cut from a digital master can sound really great. I still play some of those old Telarc LPs cut from the Soundstream digital tapes, and they still sound pretty spectacular. But, those were made at a time when there was no consumer digital format. The only way to offer their digitally-mastered recordings to the consumer was on vinyl. If the goal is to get as close as possible to the sound of the original master, then vinyl cut from digital makes no sense anymore. If a vinyl record cut from a digital master sounds better than an accurate digital file or high-res disc made from that digital master, then the vinyl is probably hiding something on the digital master that we don't like, or masking a problem in the master with something euphonic. 

Gary

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Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Vinyl Sales DOWN - why? See interesting WSJ article today

If I may offer my $0.02 as a consumer this time. Some of the stuff on vinyl is there for no reason as new pressing like Herb Alpert. Why spend $30 on something you can find in the $1 bin? Other stuff is just too weird for me to gamble $30 on. With the cost of pressing vinyl down to about $2 for high volume, it seems like the record companies haven't learned their lesson, and still try to milk a cow dry rather than look at what would sustain the niche for many years. I buy a lot of vinyl in used stores, I find lots of cool stuff I like at prices I am willing to spend. Not $30. As for the master being analog or digital, I couldn't care less, and let's face it, 99.9999% of the people that would listen to a good quality pressing wouldn't be able to tell the difference. Vinyl is noisy enough, and personally, I care about the pressing, not the origin of the master. It's 2017, there is a lot of both treasures and garbage that originates as analog and digital. A good cut from a digital source sound amazing on vinyl, trust me, I got more than a few of those.

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On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 9:44 PM, Eli Bildirici < [log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Yeah. There are still some ppl doing analogue mastering - Classic 
> Records, Music Matters, Analogue Productions, Sterling (on behalf of 
> others) but it's the exception rather than the rule. I think Music 
> Matters may have stopped due to limited sales though (and they're one of the 'good guys'
> here).
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> From: "Gary A. Galo" <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 01:58 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Vinyl Sales DOWN - why? See interesting WSJ 
> article today
>
> >
> > The whole rationale for vinyl lovers is to be able to hear their
> favorite recordings from the analog tape era on records made with the 
> best possible disc cutting and pressing. I don't know any vinyl lovers 
> who want records cut from all-digital sources. For them, the whole 
> point is all-analog.
> >
> > Gary
> >
> > ____________________________
> >
> > Gary Galo
> > Audio Engineer Emeritus
> > The Crane School of Music
> > SUNY at Potsdam, NY 13676
> >
> > "Great art presupposes the alert mind of the educated listener."
> > Arnold Schoenberg
> >
> > "A true artist doesn't want to be admired, he wants to be believed."
> > Igor Markevitch
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List [mailto:
> [log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Lou Judson
> > Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 1:52 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Vinyl Sales DOWN - why? See interesting WSJ
> article today
> >
> > Thanks. That one says basically sales are slipping due to poor 
> > sound,
> bad mastering, and not using the original analogue tapes.
> >
> > Most recordings these days never had an analog stage, but it would 
> > still
> be possible to make a good-sounding Lp from a born-digital source. But 
> most people have forgotten how, if they ever knew.
> >
> > It is all a bad business decision to do it the way they have done it...
> >
> > Yet hi res downloads are still growing!
> >
> > <L>
> >
> > Lou Judson
> > Intuitive Audio
> > 415-883-2689
> >
> > On Jul 24, 2017, at 10:38 AM, David Crosthwait <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> >
> > > A similar article is here:
> > >
> > > https://www.channelnews.com.au/vinyl-sales-slump-quality-blamed/ <
> https://www.channelnews.com.au/vinyl-sales-slump-quality-blamed/>
> > >
> > >
> > > David Crosthwait
> > > DC Video
> > > www.dcvideo.com
> > >
> > >> On Jul 24, 2017, at 10:17 AM, Lou Judson <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Tell us a little about what the subscribers' article says...
> >
>