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Agreed! Same with 78s. 

Best,
Gary



-----Original Message-----
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Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Vinyl Sales DOWN - why? See interesting WSJ article today

Hi Gary
There is another option, that people buy the LP for it's NOT perfect sound.
I love vinyl for what it is, and also for the non audio visual part of seeing the turntable turn.

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On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 10:14 PM, Gary A. Galo <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> I agree that good vinyl cut from a digital master can sound really great.
> I still play some of those old Telarc LPs cut from the Soundstream 
> digital tapes, and they still sound pretty spectacular. But, those 
> were made at a time when there was no consumer digital format. The 
> only way to offer their digitally-mastered recordings to the consumer 
> was on vinyl. If the goal is to get as close as possible to the sound 
> of the original master, then vinyl cut from digital makes no sense 
> anymore. If a vinyl record cut from a digital master sounds better 
> than an accurate digital file or high-res disc made from that digital 
> master, then the vinyl is probably hiding something on the digital 
> master that we don't like, or masking a problem in the master with something euphonic.
>
> Gary
>
> ____________________________
>
> Gary Galo
> Audio Engineer Emeritus
> The Crane School of Music
> SUNY at Potsdam, NY 13676
>
> "Great art presupposes the alert mind of the educated listener."
> Arnold Schoenberg
>
> "A true artist doesn't want to be admired, he wants to be believed."
> Igor Markevitch
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Vinyl Sales DOWN - why? See interesting WSJ 
> article today
>
> If I may offer my $0.02 as a consumer this time. Some of the stuff on 
> vinyl is there for no reason as new pressing like Herb Alpert. Why 
> spend
> $30 on something you can find in the $1 bin? Other stuff is just too 
> weird for me to gamble $30 on. With the cost of pressing vinyl down to 
> about $2 for high volume, it seems like the record companies haven't 
> learned their lesson, and still try to milk a cow dry rather than look 
> at what would sustain the niche for many years. I buy a lot of vinyl 
> in used stores, I find lots of cool stuff I like at prices I am 
> willing to spend. Not $30. As for the master being analog or digital, 
> I couldn't care less, and let's face it, 99.9999% of the people that 
> would listen to a good quality pressing wouldn't be able to tell the 
> difference. Vinyl is noisy enough, and personally, I care about the pressing, not the origin of the master.
> It's 2017, there is a lot of both treasures and garbage that 
> originates as analog and digital. A good cut from a digital source 
> sound amazing on vinyl, trust me, I got more than a few of those.
>
> בברכה,
> שי דרורי.
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> 8mm-35mm Timeless Recordings Music Label www.audiovideofilm.com 
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>
> On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 9:44 PM, Eli Bildirici < 
> 0000000fd3a0d01d-dmarc- [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > Yeah. There are still some ppl doing analogue mastering - Classic 
> > Records, Music Matters, Analogue Productions, Sterling (on behalf of
> > others) but it's the exception rather than the rule. I think Music 
> > Matters may have stopped due to limited sales though (and they're 
> > one of
> the 'good guys'
> > here).
> >
> >
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > From: "Gary A. Galo" <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 01:58 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Vinyl Sales DOWN - why? See interesting WSJ 
> > article today
> >
> > >
> > > The whole rationale for vinyl lovers is to be able to hear their
> > favorite recordings from the analog tape era on records made with 
> > the best possible disc cutting and pressing. I don't know any vinyl 
> > lovers who want records cut from all-digital sources. For them, the 
> > whole point is all-analog.
> > >
> > > Gary
> > >
> > > ____________________________
> > >
> > > Gary Galo
> > > Audio Engineer Emeritus
> > > The Crane School of Music
> > > SUNY at Potsdam, NY 13676
> > >
> > > "Great art presupposes the alert mind of the educated listener."
> > > Arnold Schoenberg
> > >
> > > "A true artist doesn't want to be admired, he wants to be believed."
> > > Igor Markevitch
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List [mailto:
> > [log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Lou Judson
> > > Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 1:52 PM
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Vinyl Sales DOWN - why? See interesting 
> > > WSJ
> > article today
> > >
> > > Thanks. That one says basically sales are slipping due to poor 
> > > sound,
> > bad mastering, and not using the original analogue tapes.
> > >
> > > Most recordings these days never had an analog stage, but it would 
> > > still
> > be possible to make a good-sounding Lp from a born-digital source. 
> > But most people have forgotten how, if they ever knew.
> > >
> > > It is all a bad business decision to do it the way they have done it...
> > >
> > > Yet hi res downloads are still growing!
> > >
> > > <L>
> > >
> > > Lou Judson
> > > Intuitive Audio
> > > 415-883-2689
> > >
> > > On Jul 24, 2017, at 10:38 AM, David Crosthwait <[log in to unmask]>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > A similar article is here:
> > > >
> > > > https://www.channelnews.com.au/vinyl-sales-slump-quality-blamed/ 
> > > > <
> > https://www.channelnews.com.au/vinyl-sales-slump-quality-blamed/>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > David Crosthwait
> > > > DC Video
> > > > www.dcvideo.com
> > > >
> > > >> On Jul 24, 2017, at 10:17 AM, Lou Judson <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Tell us a little about what the subscribers' article says...
> > >
> >
>