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In the past we have used

667 Old heading: Jackson, Tom

as a way around using a 4XX to preserve a formerly established AAP for an
entity when the 4XX option has problems.

Stephen

On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 4:15 PM, Michael Borries <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:

> Well, if I can’t give a 400 field for an undated Tom Jackson, and I can’t
> give a 500 field for an undated Tom Jackson, what do I do?  While it is
> true that there are **bib** records with undated Tom Jacksons who are not
> this one, the authority record was unique as it stood.  It only referred to
> one Tom Jackson, the one born in 1932.
>
>
>
> Michael S. Borries
>
> Cataloger, City University of New York
>
> 151 East 25th Street, 5th Floor
>
> New York, NY  10010
>
> Phone: (646) 312-1687
>
> Email: [log in to unmask]
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>
>
> *From:* Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto:[log in to unmask]
> GOV] *On Behalf Of *Stephen Hearn
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 08, 2017 5:07 PM
>
> *To:* [log in to unmask]
> *Subject:* Re: [PCCLIST] Tom Jackson
>
>
>
> Agreeing with Adam's comments-- RDA Appendix K.1 does allow for
> formulating new subfield $i texts, but the LC-PCC PS does not, at least
> when it comes to PCC records.
>
>
>
> Also, the MARC Authority 5XX fields are for related established headings.
> NACO says that each 5XX should match to an established 1XX. So I don't
> think a 500 field could work in this case, unless the undated heading is
> established for yet another Tom Jackson. And even then, there'd be
> ambiguity in such a reference, which would be referring to both the 100
> heading for another person and the former heading for the TJ born in 1932.
> That seems too ambivalent for a subfield $i.
>
>
>
> Stephen
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 3:48 PM, Michael Borries <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
> Would a 500 field with the text “ǂi Earlier form of heading: ǂa Jackson,
> Tom ǂw r” work?  Is it allowed?
>
>
>
> Michael S. Borries
>
> Cataloger, City University of New York
>
> 151 East 25th Street, 5th Floor
>
> New York, NY  10010
>
> Phone: (646) 312-1687
>
> Email: [log in to unmask]
>
>
>
> *From:* Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto:[log in to unmask]
> GOV] *On Behalf Of *Stephen Hearn
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 08, 2017 3:26 PM
> *To:* [log in to unmask]
> *Subject:* Re: [PCCLIST] Tom Jackson
>
>
>
> If OCLC included a substantial number of "Jackson, Tom" headings
> controlled by the n 50027953 authority, one could make a case for changing
> its 100 to "Jackson, Tom, 1932-" (with the related name/title NARs) and
> deleting the other authority to resolve the conflicts and take advantage of
> OCLC's automated updating functionality. But I haven't found any of the
> many relevant bib records controlled by the undated authority.
>
>
>
> On the other hand, all the OCLC bib records for "Jackson, Tom, 1932-" are
> controlled by their authority, so in terms of dynamic relation to the bib
> file, that authority is more important.
>
>
>
> What I wound not do is add "400 1 $a Jackson, Tom $w nne" to the more
> recent authority. In our Alma catalog, that would have the effect of
> changing all our "Jackson, Tom" headings to "Jackson, Tom, 1932-", which we
> would prefer not to see happen. Likwewise, eliminating the authority for an
> undated heading in a case like this would be better for catalogs like
> ours.  Changing the existing heading by adding the date would add the date
> willy-nilly to all our "Jackson, Tom" authors, since Alma automatically
> controls them (where OCLC does not.)
>
>
>
> Stephen
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 12:31 PM, Robert Maxwell <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
> I agree with you. Even though n 50027953 isn't coded as undifferentiated
> it might as well be since you have discovered that in the bib file the
> access point has been used to represent more than one person.
>
>
>
> My opinion only, of course.
>
>
>
> If you do choose to keep nb2011032496 and have n 50027953 canceled, don't
> forget that there are some related NARs that will also need revision.
>
>
>
> Bob
>
>
>
> Robert L. Maxwell
> Ancient Languages and Special Collections Cataloger
> 6728 Harold B. Lee Library
> Brigham Young University
> Provo, UT 84602
> (801)422-5568 <(801)%20422-5568>
>
> "We should set an example for all the world, rather than confine ourselves
> to the course which has been heretofore pursued"--Eliza R. Snow, 1842.
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* Program for Cooperative Cataloging <[log in to unmask]> on
> behalf of Michael Borries <[log in to unmask]>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 8, 2017 10:41 AM
> *To:* [log in to unmask]
> *Subject:* Tom Jackson
>
>
>
> This seems to be my week for finding duplicates.  NAR n  50027953 is for
> Jackson, Tom, no dates, but still unique.  NAR nb2011032496 is for Jackson,
> Tom, 1932-.  These individuals are the same person, having written the same
> book, with a different title in Britain.  There seem to be a great many
> records with the heading Jackson, Tom [no dates], but some of these seem
> not to be the Tom Jackson who writes books on how to get a job.  But there
> seem to be far fewer records with the heading that includes the date.
> Still, because there are bib records which have headings with no date for a
> different Tom Jackson, I think it would be better to use the heading with
> the date as the authorized form, even though the form without the date was
> established earlier.  What is the opinion of this forum?
>
>
>
> Michael S. Borries
>
> Cataloger, City University of New York
>
> 151 East 25th Street, 5th Floor
>
> New York, NY  10010
>
> Phone: (646) 312-1687
>
> Email: [log in to unmask]
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Stephen Hearn, Metadata Strategist
>
> Data Management & Access, University Libraries
>
> University of Minnesota
>
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>
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>
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> --
>
> Stephen Hearn, Metadata Strategist
>
> Data Management & Access, University Libraries
>
> University of Minnesota
>
> 170A Wilson Library (office)
>
> 160 Wilson Library (mail)
>
> 309 19th Avenue South
>
> Minneapolis, MN 55455
>
> Ph: 612-625-2328 <(612)%20625-2328>
>
> Fx: 612-625-3428 <(612)%20625-3428>
>
> ORCID:  0000-0002-3590-1242
>



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Stephen Hearn, Metadata Strategist
Data Management & Access, University Libraries
University of Minnesota
170A Wilson Library (office)
160 Wilson Library (mail)
309 19th Avenue South
Minneapolis, MN 55455
Ph: 612-625-2328
Fx: 612-625-3428
ORCID:  0000-0002-3590-1242