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Here is the Mario Del Monaco YT link referred to. Certainly hope the remastered edition -regardless of consumer format - doesnt sound anything as bad this. https://youtu.be/WwhBjUOBzv0 Rgds Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Gillett" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 6:35 PM Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Universal Mexico Decca Remasterings > No, a few YT samples. Unfortunately the Amazon page has no audio file > examples. I have just noticed the uploader's notes speak of "Audio > rimasterizzato in HQ". Whether that means it derives from the PABY release > or that the uploader has done his own "HQ remastering" seems unclear. > Even so, lower resolution formats such as 44/16 or even a good > professionally made mp3 do not need to add dynamics compression and even > for YouTube that level of dynamics compression is quite unnecessary IMO. > At least not for the format's sake. > > Rgds > Tim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Eric Nagamine" <[log in to unmask]> > To: <[log in to unmask]> > Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 6:23 PM > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Universal Mexico Decca Remasterings > > >> Are you talking specifically about the Pure Audio Blu-Ray issue? >> >> -------------------------- >> Eric Nagamine >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List >> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Tim Gillett >> Sent: Saturday, December 9, 2017 12:15 AM >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Universal Mexico Decca Remasterings >> >> I've listened to a few of the early Del Monaco Decca tracks and to my >> ears >> they are dreadfully presented. A big trebly peak around 8kHz, but worse, >> huge dynamics compression/limiting making everything "loud". Tiring to >> listen to. Amateurish job IMO regardless of the end user format. >> >> Rgds >> Tim >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "BURNHAM" <[log in to unmask]> >> To: <[log in to unmask]> >> Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 5:39 PM >> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Universal Mexico Decca Remasterings >> >> >> I've always felt that increasing the bit depth adds so much more quality >> to >> the sound than increasing the sample rate. Going from 16 bit to 24 bit >> eliminates any audible quantization distortion and allows one to leave a >> few >> >> dB of headroom without losing anything. >> >> db >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Dec 9, 2017, at 2:48 AM, Corey Bailey <[log in to unmask]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Gary, >>> >>> We may have been talking apples & oranges. When I referred to some of >>> the >>> major studios re-purposing Std. Def audio for Blu-Ray, I was referring >>> to >>> movies & TV series. Basically, audio for picture. I know that the 24/48K >>> standard hasn't changed, even for current titles so the audio for >>> picture >>> should be 24/48K. The DVD departments that I worked in did not produce >>> any >> >>> DVD-A or Blu-Ray audio only discs. BTW, the 24/48K standard was adopted >>> by >> >>> the industry after listening tests were conducted by the major studios >>> that participated in the study. One interesting discovery was that a >>> change in bit depth was more noticeable to the test subjects than an >>> increase in sample rate. It's also worth noting that today's music score >>> that is delivered to the dub stage has often been recorded at a higher >>> sample rate. I'm guessing that the original music stem is what is used >>> for >> >>> today's audio only DVD's. >>> >>> That's my story and I'm sticking to it! ;-) >>> >>> Corey >>> >>> Corey Bailey Audio Engineering >>> www.baileyzone.net >>> >>>> On 12/8/2017 3:04 PM, Gary A. Galo wrote: >>>> Hi Corey, >>>> >>>> The problem is that it specifically says, on the covers, that they're >>>> Pure Audio Blu-ray at 24-bit/192 kHz. Here's the link to the series on >>>> the Almaraz web site (they're the Mexican dealer that ships to the US): >>>> >>>> https://www.almarazrecords.com/collections/theanaloggoldenage >>>> >>>> Scroll down to the 5th row to find the Blu-ray discs. Discs that follow >>>> the Pure Audio specifications must be PCM, so they will play on any >>>> Blu-ray player. Those discs may also contain Dolby or DTS programs, but >>>> the Pure Audio portion is high-res PCM. If there really isn't any >>>> high-res PCM program on these discs, then calling them Pure Audio >>>> 24/192 >>>> is false advertising. If transfer, restoration and editing is done at >>>> 192/24, and the finished product is converted to DTS HD at 48 kHz, a >>>> manufacturer can't call it Pure Audio Blu-ray. More info on the Pure >>>> Audio format can be found here: >>>> >>>> http://www.pureaudio-bluray.com/ >>>> >>>> None of the color buttons, which Pure Audio uses to change formats, >>>> function on these discs, and the Audio format button on my Oppo remote >>>> controls only brings up "1/1 DTS HD" on my TV screen. The "1/1" means 1 >>>> of 1 - there are no other choices. >>>> >>>> I've emailed the Pure Audio folks about this to see what they have to >>>> say. >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> Gary >>>> >>>> >>>> ____________________________ >>>> >>>> Gary Galo >>>> Audio Engineer Emeritus >>>> The Crane School of Music >>>> SUNY at Potsdam, NY 13676 >>>> >>>> "Great art presupposes the alert mind of the educated listener." >>>> Arnold Schoenberg >>>> >>>> "A true artist doesn't want to be admired, he wants to be believed." >>>> Igor Markevitch >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List >>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Corey Bailey >>>> Sent: Friday, December 08, 2017 5:13 PM >>>> To: [log in to unmask] >>>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Universal Mexico Decca Remasterings >>>> >>>> Hi Gary, >>>> >>>> I'm not surprised. 48K/24Bit is the film industry standard. As one who >>>> edited and mastered DVDs for a few of the major film studios, I can >>>> tell >>>> you that while the video was generally remastered to a Hi-Def format, >>>> the >> >>>> audio (at least, for the couple of hundred feature film titles and TV >>>> shows that I worked on) was re-purposed from Std. Def DVD files. I >>>> would >>>> expect that DVD-A is no different, weather it is mastered with DTS >>>> encoding or Dolby AC3. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Corey >>>> >>>> Corey Bailey Audio Engineering >>>> www.baileyzone.net >>>> >>>>> On 12/8/2017 11:22 AM, Gary A. Galo wrote: >>>>> Does anyone know anything about the Decca Analog Golden Era recordings >>>>> that are being issued by Universal Mexico? I just got the four Blu-ray >>>>> discs of the Del Monaco operas. Despite the claim that these are >>>>> PureAudio Blu-ray discs at 192 kHz/24-bit, the only program I can find >>>>> on my Oppo UDP-205 or my wife's BDP-93 is DTS HD at 48 kHz/24-bit. >>>>> Have >>>>> you heard anything about these? I'm wondering if I am the only one who >>>>> noticed. The reviewers in Fanfare all seem to have only the CD >>>>> versions >>>>> of these remasterings, not the Blu-rays. >>>>> >>>>> It seems very strange that these are coming out of Mexico only. The >>>>> booklets say that the actual tape-to digital transfers were done at >>>>> Abbey Road Studios, which I also find strange. I thought all the Decca >>>>> tapes were in Hanover. >>>>> >>>>> Based on sampling these last night, I will say that even at 48 kHz, >>>>> the >>>>> sound is superb - better than anything Decca has issued here of this >>>>> material. Strangely, I have found a lot of the Decca Originals >>>>> remasterings to be very bright on top, including the Karajan Otello >>>>> and >>>>> the Solti Salome and Elektra. Regarding Salome and Elektra, the >>>>> Blu-ray >>>>> editions are just as bright as the two previous CD releases. >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> Gary >>>>> >>>>> ____________________________ >>>>> >>>>> Gary Galo >>>>> Audio Engineer Emeritus >>>>> The Crane School of Music >>>>> SUNY at Potsdam, NY 13676 >>>>> >>>>> "Great art presupposes the alert mind of the educated listener." >>>>> Arnold Schoenberg >>>>> >>>>> "A true artist doesn't want to be admired, he wants to be believed." >>>>> Igor Markevitch >> >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus