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I wouldn't judge quality on anything sourced through YouTube...it does 
make the point, though, that the numbers game is irrelevant beside the 
expertise (or lack of it) of the engineer doing the transfer.


On 09/12/2017 10:35, Tim Gillett wrote:
> No,  a few YT samples. Unfortunately the Amazon page has no audio file 
> examples. I have just noticed  the uploader's notes speak of "Audio 
> rimasterizzato in HQ". Whether that means it derives from the PABY 
> release or that the uploader has done his own  "HQ remastering" seems  
> unclear. Even so, lower resolution formats such as 44/16 or even a 
> good professionally made mp3 do not need to add dynamics compression  
> and even for YouTube that level of dynamics compression is quite 
> unnecessary IMO. At least not for the format's sake.
>
> Rgds
> Tim
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Nagamine" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 6:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Universal Mexico Decca Remasterings
>
>
>> Are you talking specifically about the Pure Audio Blu-Ray issue?
>>
>> --------------------------
>> Eric Nagamine
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List
>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Tim Gillett
>> Sent: Saturday, December 9, 2017 12:15 AM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Universal Mexico Decca Remasterings
>>
>> I've listened to a few of the early Del Monaco Decca tracks and to my 
>> ears
>> they are dreadfully presented. A big trebly peak around 8kHz, but  
>> worse,
>> huge dynamics compression/limiting making everything "loud". Tiring to
>> listen to.  Amateurish job IMO  regardless of the end user format.
>>
>> Rgds
>> Tim
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "BURNHAM" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 5:39 PM
>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Universal Mexico Decca Remasterings
>>
>>
>> I've always felt that increasing the bit depth adds so much more 
>> quality to
>> the sound than increasing the sample rate. Going from 16 bit to 24 bit
>> eliminates any audible quantization distortion and allows one to 
>> leave a few
>>
>> dB of headroom without losing anything.
>>
>> db
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Dec 9, 2017, at 2:48 AM, Corey Bailey <[log in to unmask]> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Gary,
>>>
>>> We may have been talking apples & oranges. When I referred to some 
>>> of the
>>> major studios re-purposing Std. Def audio for Blu-Ray, I was 
>>> referring to
>>> movies & TV series. Basically, audio for picture. I know that the 
>>> 24/48K
>>> standard hasn't changed, even for current titles so the audio for 
>>> picture
>>> should be 24/48K. The DVD departments that I worked in did not 
>>> produce any
>>
>>> DVD-A or Blu-Ray audio only discs. BTW, the 24/48K standard was 
>>> adopted by
>>
>>> the industry after listening tests were conducted by the major studios
>>> that participated in the study. One interesting discovery was that a
>>> change in bit depth was more noticeable to the test subjects than an
>>> increase in sample rate. It's also worth noting that today's music 
>>> score
>>> that is delivered to the dub stage has often been recorded at a higher
>>> sample rate. I'm guessing that the original music stem is what is 
>>> used for
>>
>>> today's audio only DVD's.
>>>
>>> That's my story and I'm sticking to it!  ;-)
>>>
>>> Corey
>>>
>>> Corey Bailey Audio Engineering
>>> www.baileyzone.net
>>>
>>>> On 12/8/2017 3:04 PM, Gary A. Galo wrote:
>>>> Hi Corey,
>>>>
>>>> The problem is that it specifically says, on the covers, that they're
>>>> Pure Audio Blu-ray at 24-bit/192 kHz. Here's the link to the series on
>>>> the Almaraz web site (they're the Mexican dealer that ships to the 
>>>> US):
>>>>
>>>> https://www.almarazrecords.com/collections/theanaloggoldenage
>>>>
>>>> Scroll down to the 5th row to find the Blu-ray discs. Discs that 
>>>> follow
>>>> the Pure Audio specifications must be PCM, so they will play on any
>>>> Blu-ray player. Those discs may also contain Dolby or DTS programs, 
>>>> but
>>>> the Pure Audio portion is high-res PCM. If there really isn't any
>>>> high-res PCM program on these discs, then calling them Pure Audio 
>>>> 24/192
>>>> is false advertising. If transfer, restoration and editing is done at
>>>> 192/24, and the finished product is converted to DTS HD at 48 kHz, a
>>>> manufacturer can't call it Pure Audio Blu-ray. More info on the Pure
>>>> Audio format can be found here:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.pureaudio-bluray.com/
>>>>
>>>> None of the color buttons, which Pure Audio uses to change formats,
>>>> function on these discs, and the Audio format button on my Oppo remote
>>>> controls only brings up "1/1 DTS HD" on my TV screen. The "1/1" 
>>>> means 1
>>>> of 1 - there are no other choices.
>>>>
>>>> I've emailed the Pure Audio folks about this to see what they have to
>>>> say.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Gary
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ____________________________
>>>>
>>>> Gary Galo
>>>> Audio Engineer Emeritus
>>>> The Crane School of Music
>>>> SUNY at Potsdam, NY 13676
>>>>
>>>> "Great art presupposes the alert mind of the educated listener."
>>>> Arnold Schoenberg
>>>>
>>>> "A true artist doesn't want to be admired, he wants to be believed."
>>>> Igor Markevitch
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List
>>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Corey Bailey
>>>> Sent: Friday, December 08, 2017 5:13 PM
>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Universal Mexico Decca Remasterings
>>>>
>>>> Hi Gary,
>>>>
>>>> I'm not surprised. 48K/24Bit is the film industry standard. As one who
>>>> edited and mastered DVDs for a few of the major film studios, I can 
>>>> tell
>>>> you that while the video was generally remastered to a Hi-Def 
>>>> format, the
>>
>>>> audio (at least, for the couple of hundred feature film titles and TV
>>>> shows that I worked on) was re-purposed from Std. Def DVD files. I 
>>>> would
>>>> expect that DVD-A is no different, weather it is mastered with DTS
>>>> encoding or Dolby AC3.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Corey
>>>>
>>>> Corey Bailey Audio Engineering
>>>> www.baileyzone.net
>>>>
>>>>> On 12/8/2017 11:22 AM, Gary A. Galo wrote:
>>>>> Does anyone know anything about the Decca Analog Golden Era 
>>>>> recordings
>>>>> that are being issued by Universal Mexico? I just got the four 
>>>>> Blu-ray
>>>>> discs of the Del Monaco operas. Despite the claim that these are
>>>>> PureAudio Blu-ray discs at 192 kHz/24-bit, the only program I can 
>>>>> find
>>>>> on my Oppo UDP-205 or my wife's BDP-93 is DTS HD at 48 kHz/24-bit. 
>>>>> Have
>>>>> you heard anything about these? I'm wondering if I am the only one 
>>>>> who
>>>>> noticed. The reviewers in Fanfare all seem to have only the CD 
>>>>> versions
>>>>> of these remasterings, not the Blu-rays.
>>>>>
>>>>> It seems very strange that these are coming out of Mexico only. The
>>>>> booklets say that the actual tape-to digital transfers were done at
>>>>> Abbey Road Studios, which I also find strange. I thought all the 
>>>>> Decca
>>>>> tapes were in Hanover.
>>>>>
>>>>> Based on sampling these last night, I will say that even at 48 
>>>>> kHz, the
>>>>> sound is superb - better than anything Decca has issued here of this
>>>>> material. Strangely, I have found a lot of the Decca Originals
>>>>> remasterings to be very bright on top, including the Karajan 
>>>>> Otello and
>>>>> the Solti Salome and Elektra. Regarding Salome and Elektra, the 
>>>>> Blu-ray
>>>>> editions are just as bright as the two previous CD releases.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Gary
>>>>>
>>>>> ____________________________
>>>>>
>>>>> Gary Galo
>>>>> Audio Engineer Emeritus
>>>>> The Crane School of Music
>>>>> SUNY at Potsdam, NY 13676
>>>>>
>>>>> "Great art presupposes the alert mind of the educated listener."
>>>>> Arnold Schoenberg
>>>>>
>>>>> "A true artist doesn't want to be admired, he wants to be believed."
>>>>> Igor Markevitch
>>
>>
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