Hello All:

Note the title of this 2003 printing, as found on

The publication is advertised as a “centennial edition,” and features a new foreword by Thomas Pynchon. (I, for one, would like to see what Pynchon had to say.) Customer reviews on the webpage are all over the place with respect to the title.

Ron Murray


Ronald J. Murray
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On 12/22/17, 9:44 AM, "Bibliographic Framework Transition Initiative Forum on behalf of Karen Coyle" <[log in to unmask] on behalf of [log in to unmask]> wrote:

    Osma, I took all of those examples of 1984 from LoC's catalog. While
    Wikidata may think they have different titles, we don't know how that
    decision was made (there are no cataloging rules for Wikidata). In no
    case have I seen "Nineteen Eighty-Four" for the English version
    (although it was filed that way in card catalogs as per the ALA Filing
    Rules). Your examples all conveniently prove your point, but I still
    think that asking catalogers to determine the language of every field is
    going to create difficulties. It would be a good idea to take a sampling
    of records and try this out. From the cataloger's point of view.
    On 12/21/17 7:44 AM, Osma Suominen wrote:
    >> However, there is a big problem with trying to attribute
    >> *language* to fields in bibliographic data. It only takes a few examples
    >> to understand why:
    >> Title:
    >> 1984 (book in German)
    >> 1984 (book in Hebrew)
    >> 1984 (book in English)
    > I don't think that's a problem at all. In fact this is a great example,
    > since the name of Orwell's novel (assuming you meant it) actually
    > differs between many languages. According to Wikidata
    > ( it is called
    > "1984" in German
    > "1984" in Hebrew (but rendered with right-to-left alignment!)
    > "Nineteen Eighty-Four" in English (not 1984!)
    > "Vuonna 1984" in Finnish
    > "নাইন্টিন এইটি-ফোর" in Bengali
    Karen Coyle
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