How about “was?” Pete Wilson Vanderbilt University From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Robert Maxwell Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 1:49 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] Chief executives “Chief executive of” was an unfortunate replacement in the 2016 update for an earlier relationship designator “Incumbent”, which was used in this sort of situation and actually made a sort of sense (as “incumbent of”). As has been pointed out, the current RD doesn’t work; but there isn’t any longer an appropriate RD for an AAP such as “United States. President (2009-2017 : Obama)”. Robert L. Maxwell Ancient Languages and Special Collections Librarian 6728 Harold B. Lee Library Brigham Young University Provo, UT 84602 (801)422-5568 From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Stephen Hearn Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 10:25 AM To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Chief executives I agree with John Hostage's point that "510 1 $i Chief executive of: $a United States. $b President (2009-2017 : Obama)" is poorly constructed--the relationship should be with "United States." But where and how would that best be coded? 551 $i Chief executive of: $a United States $w r This coding would treat the standalone US name as geographic, as usual; but DCM Z1 for 551 says not to use subfield $i in 551 until relationship designators for places are developed for RDA. 510 1 $i Chief executive of: $a United States $w r This coding would emphasize the corporateness of the US in this case, and use of the subfield $i is valid per DCM Z1 for 510. It's also arguably redundant with "510 1 $a United States. $b President (2009-2017 : Obama)", which should also be on the record. 370 $i Chief executive of: $f United States $s 2009 $t 2017 $2 naf This coding might also be considered, enabling us to take advantage of subfields $s and $t to add the dates; but one could argue again that 370 should be for relationships to geographic places, not corporate entities. Field 373 for a relationship to a corporate entity might also be considered, but subfield $i is not currently approved for use there in MARC Authorities. Is there a preferred practice? Stephen On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 9:02 AM, Hostage, John <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: Looking at the record brings up another unrelated point that has been bothering me: the President is chief executive of the United States. To use a less controversial example, Barack Obama was chief executive of the United States, not as his NAR states, chief executive of “United States. President (2009-2017 : Obama).” That is the AAP for an office he held and functions as kind of an alternative identity. The concept is kind of anomalous in the RDA scheme of things. ------------------------------------------ John Hostage Senior Continuing Resources Cataloger Harvard Library--Information and Technical Services Langdell Hall 194 Harvard Law School Library Cambridge, MA 02138 [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> +(1)(617) 495-3974<tel:(617)%20495-3974> (voice) +(1)(617) 496-4409<tel:(617)%20496-4409> (fax) ISNI 0000 0000 4028 0917 From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto:[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>] On Behalf Of Herrold, Charles Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 08:26 To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: [PCCLIST] n 85387872 (Pres. T.) Dear colleagues: While I have no respect whatsoever for the person currently holding the office, is such non-objective information what we really want in our authority records?: 010 n 85387872 … 670 Newsweek.com, 16 November 2017 ǂb (When has Trump been accused of rape or attempted rape? Allegations include a child, his wife and a business associate) ǂu http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-rape-sexual-assault-minor-wife-business-victims-roy-moore-713531<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.newsweek.com%2Fdonald-trump-rape-sexual-assault-minor-wife-business-victims-roy-moore-713531&data=02%7C01%7Cpete.wilson%40VANDERBILT.EDU%7Ce80bb6028fe64964361a08d558635903%7Cba5a7f39e3be4ab3b45067fa80faecad%7C0%7C0%7C636512106405618474&sdata=rP%2FQ0j%2Fd8wEDbVeesjT5Wgi2uzHf5rO%2FS95%2FSg3gMpo%3D&reserved=0> 670 Root.com, 6 December 2017 ǂb (President Pussy Grabber damn near stumps for accused Sex Offender Roy Moore, because of course he would) ǂu https://www.theroot.com/president-pussy-grabber-damn-near-stumps-for-accused-se-1820657867<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theroot.com%2Fpresident-pussy-grabber-damn-near-stumps-for-accused-se-1820657867&data=02%7C01%7Cpete.wilson%40VANDERBILT.EDU%7Ce80bb6028fe64964361a08d558635903%7Cba5a7f39e3be4ab3b45067fa80faecad%7C0%7C0%7C636512106405618474&sdata=BN6O3%2BBenli8NGiXWQsgIZMNdoZ1TdhbrHS%2FqVGvlQY%3D&reserved=0> 678 Donald Trump (born 1946) is a U.S. real estate developer, billionaire, television personality, political candidate, and author. Trump has been accused of sexual assault and sexual harassment, including non-consensual kissing or groping, by at least fifteen women since the 1980s. Following that perverse logic, I would expect such additions as: 372 Sexual harassment of women $2 lcsh Seriously, I try to exclude all judgmental characterizations—positive or negative—from my authority work, and I believe others should do so as well. IMO, whoever added the data in bold-face ought to remove it. It just adds fuel to an already out-of-control conflagration. Thanks, Chuck Herrold Carnegie Library of Pittsburgh -- Stephen Hearn, Metadata Strategist Data Management & Access, University Libraries University of Minnesota 170A Wilson Library (office) 160 Wilson Library (mail) 309 19th Avenue South Minneapolis, MN 55455 Ph: 612-625-2328 Fx: 612-625-3428 ORCID: 0000-0002-3590-1242