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Pete Wilson
Vanderbilt University

From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Robert Maxwell
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 1:49 PM
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Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] Chief executives

“Chief executive of” was an unfortunate replacement in the 2016 update for an earlier relationship designator “Incumbent”, which was used in this sort of situation and actually made a sort of sense (as “incumbent of”). As has been pointed out, the current RD doesn’t work; but there isn’t any longer an appropriate RD for an AAP such as “United States.  President (2009-2017 : Obama)”.

Robert L. Maxwell
Ancient Languages and Special Collections Librarian
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Brigham Young University
Provo, UT 84602
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From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Stephen Hearn
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 10:25 AM
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Subject: Re: Chief executives

I agree with John Hostage's point that "510 1 $i Chief executive of: $a United States. $b President (2009-2017 : Obama)" is poorly constructed--the relationship should be with "United States." But where and how would that best be coded?

551     $i Chief executive of: $a United States $w r

This coding would treat the standalone US name as geographic, as usual; but DCM Z1 for 551 says not to use subfield $i in 551 until relationship designators for places are developed for RDA.

510 1  $i Chief executive of: $a United States $w r

This coding would emphasize the corporateness of the US in this case, and use of the subfield $i is valid per DCM Z1 for 510. It's also arguably redundant with "510 1 $a United States. $b President (2009-2017 : Obama)", which should also be on the record.

370     $i Chief executive of: $f United States $s 2009 $t 2017 $2 naf

This coding might also be considered, enabling us to take advantage of subfields $s and $t to add the dates; but one could argue again that 370 should be for relationships to geographic places, not corporate entities.

Field 373 for a relationship to a corporate entity might also be considered, but subfield $i is not currently approved for use there in MARC Authorities.

Is there a preferred practice?

Stephen

On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 9:02 AM, Hostage, John <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
Looking at the record brings up another unrelated point that has been bothering me: the President is chief executive of the United States.
To use a less controversial example, Barack Obama was chief executive of the United States, not as his NAR states, chief executive of “United States.  President (2009-2017 : Obama).”  That is the AAP for an office he held and functions as kind of an alternative identity.  The concept is kind of anomalous in the RDA scheme of things.

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From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto:[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>] On Behalf Of Herrold, Charles
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 08:26
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Subject: [PCCLIST] n 85387872 (Pres. T.)

Dear colleagues:
     While I have no respect whatsoever for the person currently holding the office, is such non-objective information what we really want in our authority records?:

010    n  85387872
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670  Newsweek.com, 16 November 2017 ǂb (When has Trump been accused of rape or attempted rape? Allegations include a child, his wife and a business associate) ǂu http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-rape-sexual-assault-minor-wife-business-victims-roy-moore-713531<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.newsweek.com%2Fdonald-trump-rape-sexual-assault-minor-wife-business-victims-roy-moore-713531&data=02%7C01%7Cpete.wilson%40VANDERBILT.EDU%7Ce80bb6028fe64964361a08d558635903%7Cba5a7f39e3be4ab3b45067fa80faecad%7C0%7C0%7C636512106405618474&sdata=rP%2FQ0j%2Fd8wEDbVeesjT5Wgi2uzHf5rO%2FS95%2FSg3gMpo%3D&reserved=0>
670  Root.com, 6 December 2017 ǂb (President Pussy Grabber damn near stumps for accused Sex Offender Roy Moore, because of course he would) ǂu https://www.theroot.com/president-pussy-grabber-damn-near-stumps-for-accused-se-1820657867<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theroot.com%2Fpresident-pussy-grabber-damn-near-stumps-for-accused-se-1820657867&data=02%7C01%7Cpete.wilson%40VANDERBILT.EDU%7Ce80bb6028fe64964361a08d558635903%7Cba5a7f39e3be4ab3b45067fa80faecad%7C0%7C0%7C636512106405618474&sdata=BN6O3%2BBenli8NGiXWQsgIZMNdoZ1TdhbrHS%2FqVGvlQY%3D&reserved=0>
678  Donald Trump (born 1946) is a U.S. real estate developer, billionaire, television personality, political candidate, and author. Trump has been accused of sexual assault and sexual harassment, including non-consensual kissing or groping, by at least fifteen women since the 1980s.

    Following that perverse logic, I would expect such additions as: 372  Sexual harassment of women  $2 lcsh

    Seriously, I try to exclude all judgmental characterizations—positive or negative—from my authority work, and I believe others should do so as well.  IMO, whoever added the data in bold-face ought to remove it. It just adds fuel to an already out-of-control conflagration.

Thanks,
Chuck Herrold
Carnegie Library of Pittsburgh




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