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Ann’s well thought out questions really illustrate some of the historical issues in MARC around Cooperate Bodies and Events.
One possibility would be to update the 373 to be “Associated Group or Event”, that way 110s, 111s, and 147s could all be used. I suspect MARC’s history of treating events as agents will come to a head as the 147 Authorities and X47’s in
the bib start showing up.
For what it is worth, I think it’s odd/even a mistake to conflate cooperate bodies/groups/agents with meetings/events. :) We have very different things to say about the Olympics as a series of events and the cooperate body/ies that run
these events. For example, I don’t think anyone considers Bolt as “associated with” the cooperate body, but rather a participant in the event. Events happen in a place, and the related cooperate bodies can be based elsewhere.
As a trust colleague has said, “we will need a serious plan to deal.”
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Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] Can a conference be a group?
Adam,
Thank you for the embarrassment of riches--i.e., all those Olympic Games in the 373!
So - let me make sure I have this right:
One final quick question: Vatican II is an Associated Group for my nun. The Associated Place is Vatican City, which is surrounded by Italy, just as Lesotho is surrounded by South Africa. Am I right in believing
that: A person associated with the 373 Vatican II would have Vatican City as an Associated Place (370 $f), but not necessarily Italy? Just as a person with an Associated Place of Lesotho would not also have an Associated Place of South Africa?
Ann
On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 4:30 PM, Adam L. Schiff <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Here’s a few other examples of this kind of association:
100 1 Bolt, Usain, ǂd 1986-
370 Sherwood Content (Jamaica)
370 ǂc Jamaica ǂ2 naf
370 ǂe Kingston (Jamaica) ǂ2 naf
372 Running races ǂ2 lcsh
373 Olympic Games (28th : 2004 : Athens, Greece) ǂa Olympic Games (29th : 2008 : Beijing, China) ǂa Olympic Games (30th : 2012 : London, England) ǂa Olympic Games (31st : 2016 : Rio de Janeiro, Brazil) ǂ2 naf
374 Runners (Sports) ǂa Athletes ǂa Olympic athletes ǂ2 lcsh
100 1 Blair, Bonnie, ǂd 1964-
370 Cornwall on Hudson (N.Y.) ǂc United States ǂe Champaign (Ill.) ǂ2 naf
372 Speed skating ǂ2 lcsh
373 Olympic Winter Games (14th : 1984 : Sarajevo, Bosnia and Hercegovina) ǂa Olympic Winter Games (15th : 1988 : Calgary, Alta.) ǂa Olympic Winter Games (16th : 1992 : Albertville, France) ǂa Olympic Winter Games (17th : 1994 : Lillehammer, Norway) ǂ2 naf
374 Speed skaters ǂa Olympic athletes ǂ2 lcsh
They each participated in four Olympics. Olympic games are events, coded 111 just as conferences/meetings are.
Adam Schiff
University of Washington Libraries
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Subject: Re: Can a conference be a group?
Ann,
Since a conference is a corporate body and a corporate body is by definition a group of persons, I don’t see any reason why you shouldn’t record one as an associated group.
Bob
Robert L. Maxwell
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Subject: Can a conference be a group?
Hello, Colleagues -
(Apologies to my funnel for duplicating this question.)
I'm making a NAR for a nun who was president of the International Union of Religious Superiors and, as such, got to be an auditor at Vatican II.
I would like to make Vatican II an associated group (373 $a), but the only thing is, Vatican II is a conference. Can I nevertheless put Vatican II into the 373 field?
Thanks!
--Ann Heinrichs
Metadata/Cataloging Librarian
The Paul Bechtold Library
Catholic Theological Union
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The Paul Bechtold Library
Catholic Theological Union
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