I can imagine that as linked data applications and links among identity registries like NAF and Wikipedia develop, the need for entering contextual information in NAF records will in many cases diminish. Given an ID link, systems will be able to harvest information from Wikipedia and other sources and present it (with sourcing information) in the context of a fairly minimal NAF record's native data for both catalogers and public users.

That also means that the line between our NAF practice and the practice of other information sources is likely to fade. Wikipedia does have a category heading for "American sex offenders" and includes in its no doubt growing list of 94 names Anthony Weiner and Dennis Hastert. Will the chance of such designations being harvested into NAF presentations be an obstacle to routinely making such links?


On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 10:36 AM, Lavey, Patrick <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Agreed.  I hope they have been removed.  These allegations have been widely covered and don’t belong in the record.  This is the journalist or biographer’s job, not ours.


By the way, I am not a fan of the current resident at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, Washington, D.C. either.


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I have to weigh in on this, as well.

It adds to nothing and I also think it ought to be removed.


The last three 670s contain no information justifying data in the NAR, nor any name variants, nor any information needed to identify the person. I agree they are inappropriate; they are also unnecessary, and in my opinion ought to be removed.







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From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto:[log in to unmask]GOV] On Behalf Of Herrold, Charles
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Dear colleagues:

     While I have no respect whatsoever for the person currently holding the office, is such non-objective information what we really want in our authority records?:


010    n  85387872

670  Newsweek.com, 16 November 2017 ǂb (When has Trump been accused of rape or attempted rape? Allegations include a child, his wife and a business associate) ǂu http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-rape-sexual-assault-minor-wife-business-victims-roy-moore-713531

670  Root.com, 6 December 2017 ǂb (President Pussy Grabber damn near stumps for accused Sex Offender Roy Moore, because of course he would) ǂu https://www.theroot.com/president-pussy-grabber-damn-near-stumps-for-accused-se-1820657867

678  Donald Trump (born 1946) is a U.S. real estate developer, billionaire, television personality, political candidate, and author. Trump has been accused of sexual assault and sexual harassment, including non-consensual kissing or groping, by at least fifteen women since the 1980s.


    Following that perverse logic, I would expect such additions as: 372  Sexual harassment of women  $2 lcsh


    Seriously, I try to exclude all judgmental characterizations—positive or negative—from my authority work, and I believe others should do so as well.  IMO, whoever added the data in bold-face ought to remove it. It just adds fuel to an already out-of-control conflagration.



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Carnegie Library of Pittsburgh



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