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The relationship between the position of head of state occupied by a person
as defined in RDA 11.2.2.18.1 and the person holding the office is deferred
to RDA 30 and 32.  RDA 32 tosses the question to RDA 29.4, which forwards
the relationship designator question to RDA 29.5, which does ask for a
relationship designator to be specified. But in the case of head of state
AAPs, which already include a fairly clear indication of what the person's
relationship is to the state office, I agree with John that we should be
able to dispense with the relationship designator.  The 100/510 and 110/500
links are enough, given the formula for the X10, to show that the person
held the office and that the office related to the state.

Stephen

On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 3:23 PM, Wilson, Pete <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:

> How about “was?”
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> Pete Wilson
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> Vanderbilt University
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> *From:* Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto:[log in to unmask]
> GOV] *On Behalf Of *Robert Maxwell
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 10, 2018 1:49 PM
> *To:* [log in to unmask]
> *Subject:* Re: [PCCLIST] Chief executives
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>
> “Chief executive of” was an unfortunate replacement in the 2016 update for
> an earlier relationship designator “Incumbent”, which was used in this sort
> of situation and actually made a sort of sense (as “incumbent of”). As has
> been pointed out, the current RD doesn’t work; but there isn’t any longer
> an appropriate RD for an AAP such as “United States.  President (2009-2017
> : Obama)”.
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> Robert L. Maxwell
> Ancient Languages and Special Collections Librarian
> 6728 Harold B. Lee Library
> Brigham Young University
> Provo, UT 84602
> (801)422-5568 <(801)%20422-5568>
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> *From:* Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto:[log in to unmask]
> gov <[log in to unmask]>] *On Behalf Of *Stephen Hearn
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 10, 2018 10:25 AM
> *To:* [log in to unmask]
> *Subject:* Re: Chief executives
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> I agree with John Hostage's point that "510 1 $i Chief executive of: $a
> United States. $b President (2009-2017 : Obama)" is poorly constructed--the
> relationship should be with "United States." But where and how would that
> best be coded?
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> 551     $i Chief executive of: $a United States $w r
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> This coding would treat the standalone US name as geographic, as usual;
> but DCM Z1 for 551 says not to use subfield $i in 551 until relationship
> designators for places are developed for RDA.
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> 510 1  $i Chief executive of: $a United States $w r
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> This coding would emphasize the corporateness of the US in this case, and
> use of the subfield $i is valid per DCM Z1 for 510. It's also arguably
> redundant with "510 1 $a United States. $b President (2009-2017 : Obama)",
> which should also be on the record.
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> 370     $i Chief executive of: $f United States $s 2009 $t 2017 $2 naf
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> This coding might also be considered, enabling us to take advantage of
> subfields $s and $t to add the dates; but one could argue again that 370
> should be for relationships to geographic places, not corporate entities.
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> Field 373 for a relationship to a corporate entity might also be
> considered, but subfield $i is not currently approved for use there in MARC
> Authorities.
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> Is there a preferred practice?
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>
> Stephen
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> On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 9:02 AM, Hostage, John <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
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> Looking at the record brings up another unrelated point that has been
> bothering me: the President is chief executive of the United States.
>
> To use a less controversial example, Barack Obama was chief executive of
> the United States, not as his NAR states, chief executive of “United
> States.  President (2009-2017 : Obama).”  That is the AAP for an office he
> held and functions as kind of an alternative identity.  The concept is kind
> of anomalous in the RDA scheme of things.
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> ------------------------------------------
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> John Hostage
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> Senior Continuing Resources Cataloger
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> *From:* Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto:[log in to unmask]
> GOV] *On Behalf Of *Herrold, Charles
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 10, 2018 08:26
> *To:* [log in to unmask]
> *Subject:* [PCCLIST] n 85387872 (Pres. T.)
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>
> Dear colleagues:
>
>      While I have no respect whatsoever for the person currently holding
> the office, is such non-objective information what we really want in our
> authority records?:
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>
> 010    n  85387872
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> …
>
> *670  Newsweek.com, 16 November 2017 ǂb (When has Trump been accused of
> rape or attempted rape? Allegations include a child, his wife and a
> business associate) ǂu
> http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-rape-sexual-assault-minor-wife-business-victims-roy-moore-713531
> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.newsweek.com%2Fdonald-trump-rape-sexual-assault-minor-wife-business-victims-roy-moore-713531&data=02%7C01%7Cpete.wilson%40VANDERBILT.EDU%7Ce80bb6028fe64964361a08d558635903%7Cba5a7f39e3be4ab3b45067fa80faecad%7C0%7C0%7C636512106405618474&sdata=rP%2FQ0j%2Fd8wEDbVeesjT5Wgi2uzHf5rO%2FS95%2FSg3gMpo%3D&reserved=0>*
>
> *670  Root.com, 6 December 2017 ǂb (President Pussy Grabber damn near
> stumps for accused Sex Offender Roy Moore, because of course he would) ǂu
> https://www.theroot.com/president-pussy-grabber-damn-near-stumps-for-accused-se-1820657867
> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theroot.com%2Fpresident-pussy-grabber-damn-near-stumps-for-accused-se-1820657867&data=02%7C01%7Cpete.wilson%40VANDERBILT.EDU%7Ce80bb6028fe64964361a08d558635903%7Cba5a7f39e3be4ab3b45067fa80faecad%7C0%7C0%7C636512106405618474&sdata=BN6O3%2BBenli8NGiXWQsgIZMNdoZ1TdhbrHS%2FqVGvlQY%3D&reserved=0>*
>
> 678  Donald Trump (born 1946) is a U.S. real estate developer,
> billionaire, television personality, political candidate, and author.*
> Trump has been accused of sexual assault and sexual harassment, including
> non-consensual kissing or groping, by at least fifteen women since the
> 1980s.*
>
>
>
>     Following that perverse logic, I would expect such additions as: 372
> Sexual harassment of women  $2 lcsh
>
>
>
>     Seriously, I try to exclude all judgmental characterizations—positive
> or negative—from my authority work, and I believe others should do so as
> well.  IMO, whoever added the data in bold-face ought to remove it. It just
> adds fuel to an already out-of-control conflagration.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chuck Herrold
>
> Carnegie Library of Pittsburgh
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>
> --
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> Stephen Hearn, Metadata Strategist
>
> Data Management & Access, University Libraries
>
> University of Minnesota
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Stephen Hearn, Metadata Strategist
Data Management & Access, University Libraries
University of Minnesota
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