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Thank you, Adam, for the confirmation.

I must agree with John on one point, though. The nun was president of the
International Union of Superiors General (Unione internazionale superiore
generali), which is headquartered in Rome. I was correct in principle about
Vatican City not being in Rome or in Italy. However, that organization's
being headquartered in Rome calls for both Rome and Italy to be Other
Associated Places.

Ann

On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 10:07 AM, Adam L. Schiff <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Ann,
>
>
> I do think you have it right.   Not all events are 111s in MARC, only
> those that are planned in advance, have staff, etc., but among these are
> fairs, sporting events, meetings, etc.  These are established as corporate
> body name authorities.  Other events like natural disasters, riots, fires,
> wars, etc. are established as subjects and generally coded as topical
> headings (150).
>
>
> I would agree the associated place is Vatican City.  The council was held
> at the Basilica di San Pietro in Vaticano, according to the NAR for it,
> and that is located in Vatican City.  Vatican City is an independent
> country, so I would not include another associated place for Rome.
>
>
> Adam
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Program for Cooperative Cataloging <[log in to unmask]> on
> behalf of Ann Heinrichs <[log in to unmask]>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 30, 2018 7:25:48 AM
>
> *To:* [log in to unmask]
> *Subject:* Re: Can a conference be a group?
>
> Adam,
> Thank you for the embarrassment of riches--i.e., all those Olympic Games
> in the 373!
>
> So - let me make sure I have this right:
>
>    - All meetings, events, races, world's fairs, etc. are 111s
>    - All 111s are corporate bodies
>    - All corporate bodies are groups
>    - All groups are eligible for inclusion in the 373
>
> One final quick question: Vatican II is an Associated Group for my nun.
> The Associated Place is Vatican City, which is surrounded by Italy, just as
> Lesotho is surrounded by South Africa. Am I right in believing that: A
> person associated with the 373 Vatican II would have Vatican City as an
> Associated Place (370 $f), but not necessarily Italy? Just as a person with
> an Associated Place of Lesotho would not also have an Associated Place of
> South Africa?
>
> Ann
>
> On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 4:30 PM, Adam L. Schiff <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> Here’s a few other examples of this kind of association:
>
>
>
> 100 1 Bolt, Usain, ǂd 1986-
>
> 370    Sherwood Content (Jamaica)
>
> 370    ǂc Jamaica ǂ2 naf
>
> 370    ǂe Kingston (Jamaica) ǂ2 naf
>
> 372    Running races ǂ2 lcsh
>
> 373    Olympic Games (28th : 2004 : Athens, Greece) ǂa Olympic Games (29th
> : 2008 : Beijing, China) ǂa Olympic Games (30th : 2012 : London, England)
> ǂa Olympic Games (31st : 2016 : Rio de Janeiro, Brazil) ǂ2 naf
>
> 374    Runners (Sports) ǂa Athletes ǂa Olympic athletes ǂ2 lcsh
>
>
>
> 100 1 Blair, Bonnie, ǂd 1964-
>
> 370    Cornwall on Hudson (N.Y.) ǂc United States ǂe Champaign (Ill.) ǂ2
> naf
>
> 372    Speed skating ǂ2 lcsh
>
> 373    Olympic Winter Games (14th : 1984 : Sarajevo, Bosnia and
> Hercegovina) ǂa Olympic Winter Games (15th : 1988 : Calgary, Alta.) ǂa
> Olympic Winter Games (16th : 1992 : Albertville, France) ǂa Olympic Winter
> Games (17th : 1994 : Lillehammer, Norway) ǂ2 naf
>
> 374    Speed skaters ǂa Olympic athletes ǂ2 lcsh
>
>
>
> They each participated in four Olympics.    Olympic games are events,
> coded 111 just as conferences/meetings are.
>
>
>
> Adam Schiff
>
> University of Washington Libraries
>
>
>
> *From:* Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto:[log in to unmask]
> OV] *On Behalf Of *Robert Maxwell
> *Sent:* Monday, January 29, 2018 1:54 PM
> *To:* [log in to unmask]
> *Subject:* Re: Can a conference be a group?
>
>
>
> Ann,
>
>
>
> Since a conference is a corporate body and a corporate body is by
> definition a group of persons, I don’t see any reason why you shouldn’t
> record one as an associated group.
>
>
>
> Bob
>
>
>
> Robert L. Maxwell
> Ancient Languages and Special Collections Librarian
> 6728 Harold B. Lee Library
> Brigham Young University
> Provo, UT 84602
> (801)422-5568 <(801)%20422-5568>
>
>
>
> *From:* Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto:[log in to unmask]
> ov <[log in to unmask]>] *On Behalf Of *Ann Heinrichs
> *Sent:* Monday, January 29, 2018 1:57 PM
> *To:* [log in to unmask]
> *Subject:* Can a conference be a group?
>
>
>
> Hello, Colleagues -
>
>
>
> (Apologies to my funnel for duplicating this question.)
>
>
>
> I'm making a NAR for a nun who was president of the International Union of
> Religious Superiors and, as such, got to be an auditor at Vatican II.
>
> I would like to make Vatican II an associated group (373 $a), but the only
> thing is, Vatican II is a conference. Can I nevertheless put Vatican II
> into the 373 field?
>
> Thanks!
>
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