We have politics and bias all throughout NAF and LCSH. Don't pretend this is nothing new. Catalogers have used 670s to record all kinds of personal and political information about an individual, some of it very offensive to justify information in a NAR.

If the information in any of these new 670s justifies the $t in the 373, then I think the 670 should be left in the NAR. We are not longer just creating unique access points in our NARs. We create little biographical sketches to provide contextual information to achieve FRBR-LRM user tasks. With those little biographical sketches, we have to provide facts to justify our statements. The fact is that these men did horrible things, and many of them lost their jobs because of their actions. We record the end date of an affiliated group in the $t of a 373. To record that end date we need to provide justification in a 670. Wikipedia is an approved source for 670. For many of these updated records, I think the cataloger in question was in the right.  

And yes, I'm going here -- for a profession that is dominated by women, I think we'd have a little more nuanced understanding of this kind of metadata being recorded in the NARs for some these men.

Amber Billey

Sytems & Metadata Librarian
Bard College

On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 9:30 AM, Ahava Cohen <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

It does appear that in a small number of records (e.g., Weinstein, Lauer) the new 670 justifies the $t on 373. On most, though, I can't see what the new 670s are in support of within the records.


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Please let's keep a high ground and remove this unnecessary information from the authority records. Let's leave this subject to historians and some other academics.



Kind regards,

Violeta Ilik


On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 9:13 AM, Herrold, Charles <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

     Not to point a finger, but apparently the same institution added the information about sexual misconduct to these records as well as the one for Trump. By including such data we are stooping to his level. Ad hominem attacks lend a sleazy aspect to our authority records.


Chuck H.


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Also see:

010  no 93004145
1001 Franken, Al

010  no2001040887
1001 Weinstein, Harvey, ǂd 1952-

010  n  82137324  ǂz n  82152590
1001 Thomas, Clarence, ǂd 1948-

010  n  94024435
1001 Rose, Charlie

010  no 98099183
1001 O'Reilly, Bill

010  no2005078095
1001 Moore, Roy ǂq (Roy S.)

010  no 99046722
1001 Lauer, Matt, ǂd 1957-

010  n  82052577  ǂz n  50018139
1001 Cosby, Bill, ǂd 1937-


Colin Bitter


On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 8:38 AM, Moore, Richard <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

The last three 670s contain no information justifying data in the NAR, nor any name variants, nor any information needed to identify the person. I agree they are inappropriate; they are also unnecessary, and in my opinion ought to be removed.







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From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto:[log in to unmask]GOV] On Behalf Of Herrold, Charles
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Dear colleagues:

     While I have no respect whatsoever for the person currently holding the office, is such non-objective information what we really want in our authority records?:


010    n  85387872

670  Newsweek.com, 16 November 2017 ǂb (When has Trump been accused of rape or attempted rape? Allegations include a child, his wife and a business associate) ǂu http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-rape-sexual-assault-minor-wife-business-victims-roy-moore-713531

670  Root.com, 6 December 2017 ǂb (President Pussy Grabber damn near stumps for accused Sex Offender Roy Moore, because of course he would) ǂu https://www.theroot.com/president-pussy-grabber-damn-near-stumps-for-accused-se-1820657867

678  Donald Trump (born 1946) is a U.S. real estate developer, billionaire, television personality, political candidate, and author. Trump has been accused of sexual assault and sexual harassment, including non-consensual kissing or groping, by at least fifteen women since the 1980s.


    Following that perverse logic, I would expect such additions as: 372  Sexual harassment of women  $2 lcsh


    Seriously, I try to exclude all judgmental characterizations—positive or negative—from my authority work, and I believe others should do so as well.  IMO, whoever added the data in bold-face ought to remove it. It just adds fuel to an already out-of-control conflagration.



Chuck Herrold

Carnegie Library of Pittsburgh



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