Is this a Musical Clock or other music box?

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Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] What was the first recording of a Beethoven work?

My answer is that the first recording of a work of Beethoven goes back 
to 1813, if not to 1799. Does this hint help?


On Mon, 23 Apr 2018, Patrick Feaster wrote:

> Sometime between July 1871 and January 1872, Alfred Cornu and Ernst
> Mercadier used a cross between a phonautograph and a string telephone to
> record Hubert Leonard (violin) and, separately, Hippolyte-Prosper
> (cello) playing several selections for a mathematical study of musical
> intervals.  According to the published proceedings of the French Academy
> Sciences, one of the test selections was the opening measures of the
> measure of Beethoven's Fifth Symphony.
> But I'm sure music boxes with Beethoven works programmed on them go back
> much further than that!
> - Patrick
> On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 5:44 PM, Frank Forman <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> What was the first recording of a Beethoven work?
>> Roberto Bauer, in his Historical Records, 1898-1908/09, gives
>> BORCHERS, Gustav, bass, 1865 Wotlwiesche-1913 Leipzig
>> Polyphon (Brown Wax) Leipzig, 1900
>> Catalog no. 226
>> Der Kuss, Op. 128
>> But what are the earlier recordings? I include everything, Berliners,
>> cylinders, music boxes, etc. The answer will surprise you and make you
>> wonder what you didn't think of that.
>> Anyone have a list of web resources? I've found an excellent source,
>> compiled by Robert Johannesson, at Alas the first section,
>> covering singers from A to part of B is missing.
>> Frank