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Don’t forget Beethoven's King Stephen Overture. We played a band transcription of it my freshman year in college - one read-through, not a public performance. After we finished, the conductor said "See, even Beethoven wrote bad music!"

Best,
Gary

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Gary Galo
Audio Engineer Emeritus
The Crane School of Music
SUNY at Potsdam, NY 13676

"Great art presupposes the alert mind of the educated listener."
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From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of John Haley
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 2:06 PM
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Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] What was the first recording of a Beethoven work?

And this is Birgit Nilsson' s centennial year.  I hope you will repeat that
program at ARSC-N.Y., Dennis.  In case I don't make it to "Charm City."

Alex, I will raise a  mild objection about less-than-top-drawer Beethoven.
For me, of all the "great composers," Beethoven's output is more
consistently comprised of masterpieces than almost anyone else.  It is hard
to find a piece that isn't one, although Wellington's Victory may qualify.
Even Mozart wrote acres of well-crafted wallpaper music.  Not Beethoven.

Best, John

On Apr 28, 2018 12:43 PM, "Gene Baron" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Two wonderful singers - I certainly hope to get to it.  Thanks.
>
> Gene
>
> On Sat, Apr 28, 2018 at 11:04 AM, Dennis Rooney <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
> > Dear Alex,
> >
> > Classical music is indeed sparsely represented on this year's conference
> > program, but I will do a centennial tribute to sopranos Astrid Várnay and
> > Birgit Nilsson that I hope you will be able to attend.
> >
> > Ciao,
> >
> > DDR
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 7:09 PM, Alex McGehee <[log in to unmask]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > A very interesting thread. Would be nice if such material, sources, and
> > > demonstrations made it to an ARSC conference. I noticed only Bluegrass,
> > > Disco, Rap, and the discovery that Baltimore is referred to as “Charm
> > City”
> > > in a quick scan of the program for our annual event. Despite many years
> > > spent in the DC area, Baltimore’s nickname was a discovery. Sort of an
> > > oxymoron from my experiences outside the tourist areas.
> > >
> > > “Wellington’s Victory” is a great reminder of the old Mercury recording
> > > with Antal Dorati and the LSO. I bought it for the “1812” on  the other
> > > side. The one with the “authentic” cannons and bells. Being something
> of
> > a
> > > Tchaikovsky nut in my youth, the recording allowed me a first
> experience
> > of
> > > a thoroughly mediocre work by Beethoven. Of course there are others and
> > had
> > > I not already placed all the “great composers” on such an exalted
> altar,
> > I
> > > would have realized that LvB had subpar days just like everyone else.
> > >
> > > Haydn’s pieces for Flötenuhr—the word is best translated as mechanical
> > > organ—are a minor, but interesting group in the larger body of his
> work.
> > > The still on-going, first complete edition of Haydn’s work considers 17
> > of
> > > these pieces to be genuine. Fifteen others, included in the relevant
> JHW
> > > volume, are published in an appendix, but cannot be sourced to Haydn.
> The
> > > editorial work which resulted in these divisions was done by Sonja
> > Gerlach
> > > and George Hill in the early 1980s. Gerlach is near irreproachable in
> her
> > > scholarly work on Haydn.
> > >
> > > The princes Esterházy—particularly Nicholas II—were huge fans of
> > > mechanical organs, and they most certainly featured their “personal”
> > > composer’s works. A few of these devices have survived and they have
> > > revealed some significant information to researchers regarding other
> > Haydn
> > > works, which we would not have known except for these wound up
> > mechanicals.
> > > Given their cost, they must have been the audiophile status equipment
> of
> > > their day. Haydn was intimately involved in the transcription of his
> > music
> > > for them. He worked together with a very talented builder— Catholic
> > priest,
> > > Father Primitivus Niemecz, also on the Esterházy payroll. Haydn’s
> > autograph
> > > manuscript for the music in one of these organs requires 32 tones over
> a
> > > three octave range. Unfortunately, because mainsprings wear out and get
> > > replaced, we cannot rely on the devices for unquestioned authority in
> > > matters of tempo. Given the pre-metronome times, that would have been
> > good
> > > information to have.
> > >
> > > If your eyes have not completely glazed over by this point, I would
> > > strongly recommend tracking down Arthur Ord-Hume’s, Joseph Haydn and
> the
> > > Mechanical Organ. The text is in English and the book features
> absolutely
> > > terrific photographs of three of the clocks—still in playable
> condition,
> > > inside and out diagrams of how they were constructed, and facsimiles
> of a
> > > few surviving Haydn manuscripts for the works. I checked Abebooks.com <
> > > http://abebooks.com/> (like half the bookselling world, now owned by
> > > Amazon) and found it still available for under $20.
> > >
> > > Incidentally, the first known public hearing of any of Haydn’s
> Flötenuhr
> > > music took place on June 14, 1926 as part of a Vienna radio broadcast.
> > >
> > > Salud,
> > > Alex McGehee
> > >
> > > > On Apr 25, 2018, at 7:40 PM, Paul Jackson <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The Stanford Piano Roll project may be able to help with this.
> > > > http://library.stanford.edu/blogs/stanford-libraries-blog/
> > > 2015/11/piano-roll-scanner-project-prsp
> > > >
> > > > *Trescott Research - Paul T. Jackson *
> > > >
> > > > 2503 Natalie Lane, Steilacoom, WA 98388
> > > >
> > > > http://www.trescottresearch.com <http://www.trescottresearch.com/>
> > > >
> > > > Support Authors:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.plateauareawriters.org <http://www.
> plateauareawriters.org/>
> > > >
> > > > Support Musicians
> > > >
> > > > http://www.gatewayconcertband.org <http://www.
> gatewayconcertband.org/>
> > > >
> > > > On 4/25/2018 2:13 PM, Frank Forman wrote:
> > > >> Does anyone have a piano roll listing? Schnabel punched 051n2 (Rondo
> > in
> > > G)
> > > >> on Ampico 60613, in 1922, making it the first, since Kempff's disc
> > > recording, P.66040 mx1721as, 1722� as, came in 1924.
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