We could also ponder the number of times we have made timestamped citations of “headings” from our own catalogues and authority files. I wonder how many of those could be found now? Not least because we often cite information from them, before changing them to match an authorised form.  Any source data that is not printed is going to be ephemeral to some degree – or at least, it will become harder to find.







Richard Moore

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From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Phyllis Jones
Sent: 08 May 2018 14:02
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Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] Sources for personal names


I agree with the caveats expressed about the unstable nature of Google knowledge graphs/panels, but I also note that sometimes it is not possible to track down the source of the information given there. In those cases, it may be a matter of going with the least bad course of action and citing the panel, as has been done at least 48 times previously (authority file keyword search "google knowledge panel" in notes) and another 27 times for "google knowledge graph" in notes. 


Almost any data we draw from the web has a higher degree of instability than data from physical sources, but that's the world we live in. The best we can do, I think, is to cite exactly, source carefully, and time stamp.


-Phyllis Jones 


On Mon, May 7, 2018 at 5:10 PM, Violeta Ilik <[log in to unmask]> wrote:



With Gary Strawn's Authority Toolkit [1] I've used VIAF, Wikipedia, Wikidata and few other sources in NARs since it automatically generates the 670 for you.


I highly recommend it. 





On Monday, May 7, 2018, Adam L. Schiff <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

I use VIAF regularly.  If you do a keyword search for notes with “VIAF” in the authority file in OCLC Connexion, you can find lots of examplessuch as:


670   DNB in VIAF, viewed Mar. 22, 2016: ǂb hdg. (Aaken, Dominik van, 1976- ;  Dr. oec. publ.; b. June 1, 1976 in Kevelaer; economist)


670   German National Library in VIAF, 16 November 2015 ǂb (access point: Bielski, Zusja, 1912-1995)


670   VIAF, October 23, 2016 ǂb (National Library of Spain authorized access point: Ancira, Selma, 1956- ; variant: Ancira Berny, Selma, 1956- ; born México)


670   VIAF, September 29, 2017 ǂb (German National Library authorized access point: Bergmann, Christoph, 1979- ; place of birth: Siegen)


670   VIAF, February 7, 2018 ǂb (National Library of France authorized access point: Dalzeto, Sebastianu (1875-1963); country: France; language: Corsican; gender: Male; born 1875, Bastia; died 1963, Barchetta; poet and novelist; variants: Dalzeto, Sébastien (1875-1963), pseudonym; Nicolaï, Sébastien (1875-1963), pseudonym)


670   VIAF, November 24, 2015 ǂb (NUKAT and German National Library authorized access point: Dickinson, Thomas Herbert 1877-1961; National Library of Australia authorized access point: Dickinson, Thomas H. (Thomas Herbert), 1877- )


---Adam Schiff

University of Washington Libraries


From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Benjamin A Abrahamse
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2018 10:46 AM
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Subject: Sources for personal names


Dear NACO brains:


Two questions about sources for NARs:


1)      is it ok to refer to VIAF in a 670?

2)      what do people think about whether we can use the Google knowledge graph that sometimes appears at the top of a Google search?




Benjamin Abrahamse

Cataloging Coordinator

Acquisitions & Discovery Enhancement

MIT Libraries




Phyllis J. Jones
Senior Recordings Cataloger   
Conservatory Library
Oberlin College             
Oberlin, OH 44074
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