Dear John, Please consider: 1. "Boston Women's Ordination Conference " is an organization that existed from 1978 to 1986. 2. Therefore, it is a corporate body. 3. Boston WOC held a "public hearing" in Spring 1980, at which people gave presentations. It never held an y other public hearing during its 8-year lifetime. 4. Boston WOC is the organization that organized /sponsored the (otherwise nameless) Spring 1980 public hearing. 5. Therefore, I should make a new NAR for 110 Boston Women's Ordination Conference. 6. Do I then ... what? ... request of OCLC to delete the 111 record? Regarding the hierarchical relationship with the (national) Women's Ordination Conference: In the Marquette U. archives is: - WOC, Series 6: - WOMEN'S ORDINATION CONFERENCE RECORDS - STATE AND LOCAL GROUPS, 1976-1999 of which Box 1, Folder 12 is: - Massachusetts, Boston Women's Ordination Conference, 1978-1986 This seems to be a clear case of a hierarchical relationship. Ann On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 8:53 PM, Hostage, John <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Ann, > > > The NAR for Boston Women's Ordination Conference ǂd (1980) seems to be > clearly for a conference or meeting. The bib record mentions a public > hearing. The heading should include the location in the qualifier. If > there is also an organization by that name it would probably have to be > qualified by (Organization), but there is no need to establish it unless > you have resources that require the name. It's also possible that Boston > Women's Ordination Conference was the name of an organization that > sponsored an otherwise unnamed public hearing in spring 1980. > > > The Women's Ordination Conference is clearly a corporate body, but I don't > see that a clear relationship has been established between the two headings. > > > ------------------------------------------ > John Hostage > Senior Continuing Resources Cataloger > Harvard Library--Information and Technical Services > Langdell Hall 194 > Harvard Law School Library > Cambridge, MA 02138 > [log in to unmask] > <http://../../owa/redir.aspx?C=fff0248a4daa423caadeb2f835259a11&URL=mailto%3ahostage%40law.harvard.edu> > +(1)(617) 495-3974 (voice) > +(1)(617) 496-4409 (fax) > ISNI 0000 0000 4028 0917 > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Program for Cooperative Cataloging <[log in to unmask]> on > behalf of Ann Heinrichs <[log in to unmask]> > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 11, 2018 15:26 > *To:* [log in to unmask] > *Subject:* [PCCLIST] A conference that's not a conference, but a > corporate body? > > Please help! I have in hand a book of presentations given at the Boston > Women's Ordination Conference in Spring 1980 (OCLC#8204112). There is an > authority record (ARN 1350854) with: > *111 2_ Boston Women's Ordination Conference ǂd (1980)* > 667 __ THIS 1XX FIELD CANNOT BE USED UNDER RDA UNTIL THIS RECORD HAS BEEN > REVIEWED AND/OR UPDATED > > Meanwhile, there is also a NAR (ARN 3063795) for: > *110 2_ Women's Ordination Conference* > > The first record is created as a 111. However, this "conference" is an > organization that existed 1978-1986 and, according to all evidence, had a > big meeting with presentations only once, in 1980. Should it not actually > be a 110? If so, should I revise it accordingly, or make a new record and > request this one for deletion? > > The second record is created as a 110. According to their history > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__womensordination.org_archive_history.html&d=DwMFaQ&c=WO-RGvefibhHBZq3fL85hQ&r=O9-UIVab7e9YxpBphmOmeEQruoCpRWXNPKDBg9tfb88&m=ZJIAr03kxQFlhNvAHQg8CNE1HxDCjsqXBZfGPRyG4OU&s=S5_zVbCX4jTd-bz12anzsNPh_9XjrPdocpDgIcvwQLs&e=>, > this organization was founded in 1975 and had national conferences four > times (1975, 1978, 1995, 2000). This record is properly a 110, right? Only > if I came across proceedings of a national conference would I create a > separate 111 record, right? > > Assuming both of these records should be 110s, they would have a > hierarchical superior/subordinate relationship, right? because the WOC had "state > and local groups > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.marquette.edu_library_archives_Mss_WOC_WOC-2Dseries6.php&d=DwMFaQ&c=WO-RGvefibhHBZq3fL85hQ&r=O9-UIVab7e9YxpBphmOmeEQruoCpRWXNPKDBg9tfb88&m=ZJIAr03kxQFlhNvAHQg8CNE1HxDCjsqXBZfGPRyG4OU&s=HrK29tuMIuQ4JbPx_dQ8oSvt45d3t2Xypxnq9bJgOFM&e=> > ." > > Thank you so much for guiding me through the woods on this one! > > Ann > > -- > *Ann Heinrichs* > Metadata/Cataloging Librarian | The Paul Bechtold Library > Catholic Theological Union > 5401 S. 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