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OK, Ben. Will do! :-)

On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 3:16 PM, Benjamin A Abrahamse <[log in to unmask]>
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> One favor to ask,
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>
>
> If you get a response from the Coop on whether it’s preferable to change a
> 110 to a 111, or to create a new 110 and request that the 111 be cancelled,
> I, and probably a lot of folks on this list as well, would appreciate
> knowing what they say.
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>
>
> Thanks,
> Ben
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>
>
>
>
> *From:* Program for Cooperative Cataloging <[log in to unmask]> *On
> Behalf Of *Ann Heinrichs
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 12, 2018 3:01 PM
> *To:* [log in to unmask]
> *Subject:* Re: [PCCLIST] A conference that's not a conference, but a
> corporate body?
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>
>
> Thanks a bunch, Adam. Will contact the NACO folks.
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>
>
> On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 1:45 PM, Adam L. Schiff <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> Ann,
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> OCLC doesn't delete authority records.  Only LC can do that.  If the
> conference heading (111) isn't valid, you'd have to report it to
> [log in to unmask] with a request that it be deleted.  If the heading all along
> should have been a 110 corporate body, I think it could be ok to change it
> rather than cancelling it and creating a new NAR.   I would consult with
> the Coop Cat staff at LC ([log in to unmask]) if you're unsure how to proceed.
>
>
>
> Adam Schiff
>
> University of Washington Libraries
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> *From:* Program for Cooperative Cataloging <[log in to unmask]> on
> behalf of Ann Heinrichs <[log in to unmask]>
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 12, 2018 9:50:44 AM
> *To:* [log in to unmask]
> *Subject:* Re: A conference that's not a conference, but a corporate body?
>
>
>
> Dear John,
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>
>
> Please consider:
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>    1. "Boston
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> ​
>
> Women's Ordination Conference​
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> " is an organization that existed from 1978 to 1986.
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> ​
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>    1. ​Therefore, it is a corporate body.​
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>
>
>    1. Boston WOC held a "public hearing" in
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> ​Spring ​
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> 1980, at which people gave presentations. It never held an
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> y ​
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> other public hearing during its 8-year lifetime.
>
>    1. Boston WOC is the organization that organized
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> ​/sponsored​
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> the (otherwise nameless) Spring 1980 public hearing.
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>    1. ​
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> Therefore, ​
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> I should make a new NAR for 110 Boston
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> ​​
>
> Women's Ordination Conference.
>
>    1. Do I then ... what? ... request
>
> ​of OCLC to delete the 111 record?
>
> Regarding the hierarchical relationship with the (national) Women's
> Ordination Conference:
>
> In the Marquette U. archives is:
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>    - WOC, Series 6:
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>
>    - WOMEN'S ORDINATION CONFERENCE RECORDS
>    - STATE AND LOCAL GROUPS, 1976-1999
>
> of which Box 1, Folder 12 is:
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>    - Massachusetts, Boston Women's Ordination Conference, 1978-1986
>
> This seems to be a clear case of a hierarchical relationship.
>
>
>
> Ann
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>
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> On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 8:53 PM, Hostage, John <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
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> Ann,
>
>
>
> The NAR for Boston Women's Ordination Conference ǂd (1980) seems to be
> clearly for a conference or meeting.  The bib record mentions a public
> hearing.  The heading should include the location in the qualifier.  If
> there is also an organization by that name it would probably have to be
> qualified by (Organization), but there is no need to establish it unless
> you have resources that require the name. It's also possible that Boston
> Women's Ordination Conference was the name of an organization that
> sponsored an otherwise unnamed public hearing in spring 1980.
>
>
>
> The Women's Ordination Conference is clearly a corporate body, but I don't
> see that a clear relationship has been established between the two headings.
>
>
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> *From:* Program for Cooperative Cataloging <[log in to unmask]> on
> behalf of Ann Heinrichs <[log in to unmask]>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 11, 2018 15:26
> *To:* [log in to unmask]
> *Subject:* [PCCLIST] A conference that's not a conference, but a
> corporate body?
>
>
>
> Please help! I have in hand a book of presentations given at the Boston
> Women's Ordination Conference in Spring 1980 (OCLC#8204112). There is an
> authority record (ARN 1350854) with:
>
> *111 2_ Boston Women's Ordination Conference **ǂ**d (1980)*
>
> 667 __ THIS 1XX FIELD CANNOT BE USED UNDER RDA UNTIL THIS RECORD HAS BEEN
> REVIEWED AND/OR UPDATED
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>
>
> Meanwhile, there is also a NAR (ARN 3063795) for:
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> *110 2_ Women's Ordination Conference*
>
>
>
> The first record is created as a 111. However, this "conference" is an
> organization that existed 1978-1986 and, according to all evidence, had a
> big meeting with presentations only once, in 1980. Should it not actually
> be a 110? If so, should I revise it accordingly, or make a new record and
> request this one for deletion?
>
>
>
> The second record is created as a 110. According to their history
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__womensordination.org_archive_history.html&d=DwMFaQ&c=WO-RGvefibhHBZq3fL85hQ&r=O9-UIVab7e9YxpBphmOmeEQruoCpRWXNPKDBg9tfb88&m=ZJIAr03kxQFlhNvAHQg8CNE1HxDCjsqXBZfGPRyG4OU&s=S5_zVbCX4jTd-bz12anzsNPh_9XjrPdocpDgIcvwQLs&e=>,
> this organization was founded in 1975 and had national conferences four
> times (1975, 1978, 1995, 2000). This record is properly a 110, right? Only
> if I came across proceedings of a national conference would I create a
> separate 111 record, right?
>
>
>
> Assuming both of these records should be 110s, they would have a
> hierarchical superior/subordinate relationship, right? because the WOC had "state
> and local groups
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.marquette.edu_library_archives_Mss_WOC_WOC-2Dseries6.php&d=DwMFaQ&c=WO-RGvefibhHBZq3fL85hQ&r=O9-UIVab7e9YxpBphmOmeEQruoCpRWXNPKDBg9tfb88&m=ZJIAr03kxQFlhNvAHQg8CNE1HxDCjsqXBZfGPRyG4OU&s=HrK29tuMIuQ4JbPx_dQ8oSvt45d3t2Xypxnq9bJgOFM&e=>
> ."
>
>
>
> Thank you so much for guiding me through the woods on this one!
>
>
>
> Ann
>
>
>
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> Catholic Theological Union
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> *Ann Heinrichs*
>
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>
> Catholic Theological Union
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> *Ann Heinrichs*
>
> Metadata/Cataloging Librarian | The Paul Bechtold Library
>
> Catholic Theological Union
>
> 5401 S. Cornell Ave. | Chicago, IL 60615
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Catholic Theological Union
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