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Right - which would happen with my 110 Women's Ordination Conference if it held national conferences (which it did four times). I would make a fully fleshed-out 111 for the conference's conference. However, I do not have license (I think that's what you call it) to do so at this time, as I do not have a book of WOC conference proceedings. On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 3:39 PM, Gene Fieg <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Not to confuse things too much here, but in the past corp. bodies could > have conferences and still remain 110. Cataloger would the apprpriate term > on $c (Meeting) for instance and then fill out the date and place in parens. > > Gene Fieg > > > On Thursday, July 12, 2018, Ann Heinrichs <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> OK, Ben. Will do! :-) >> >> On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 3:16 PM, Benjamin A Abrahamse <[log in to unmask]> >> wrote: >> >>> One favor to ask, >>> >>> >>> >>> If you get a response from the Coop on whether it’s preferable to change >>> a 110 to a 111, or to create a new 110 and request that the 111 be >>> cancelled, I, and probably a lot of folks on this list as well, would >>> appreciate knowing what they say. >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Ben >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Program for Cooperative Cataloging <[log in to unmask]> *On >>> Behalf Of *Ann Heinrichs >>> *Sent:* Thursday, July 12, 2018 3:01 PM >>> *To:* [log in to unmask] >>> *Subject:* Re: [PCCLIST] A conference that's not a conference, but a >>> corporate body? >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks a bunch, Adam. Will contact the NACO folks. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 1:45 PM, Adam L. Schiff <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>> >>> Ann, >>> >>> >>> >>> OCLC doesn't delete authority records. Only LC can do that. If the >>> conference heading (111) isn't valid, you'd have to report it to >>> [log in to unmask] with a request that it be deleted. If the heading all >>> along should have been a 110 corporate body, I think it could be ok to >>> change it rather than cancelling it and creating a new NAR. I would >>> consult with the Coop Cat staff at LC ([log in to unmask]) if you're unsure >>> how to proceed. >>> >>> >>> >>> Adam Schiff >>> >>> University of Washington Libraries >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> *From:* Program for Cooperative Cataloging <[log in to unmask]> >>> on behalf of Ann Heinrichs <[log in to unmask]> >>> *Sent:* Thursday, July 12, 2018 9:50:44 AM >>> *To:* [log in to unmask] >>> *Subject:* Re: A conference that's not a conference, but a corporate >>> body? >>> >>> >>> >>> Dear John, >>> >>> >>> >>> Please consider: >>> >>> 1. "Boston >>> >>> >>> >>> Women's Ordination Conference >>> >>> " is an organization that existed from 1978 to 1986. >>> >>> >>> >>> 1. Therefore, it is a corporate body. >>> >>> >>> >>> 1. Boston WOC held a "public hearing" in >>> >>> Spring >>> >>> 1980, at which people gave presentations. It never held an >>> >>> y >>> >>> other public hearing during its 8-year lifetime. >>> >>> 1. Boston WOC is the organization that organized >>> >>> /sponsored >>> >>> the (otherwise nameless) Spring 1980 public hearing. >>> >>> 1. >>> >>> Therefore, >>> >>> I should make a new NAR for 110 Boston >>> >>> >>> >>> Women's Ordination Conference. >>> >>> 1. Do I then ... what? ... request >>> >>> of OCLC to delete the 111 record? >>> >>> Regarding the hierarchical relationship with the (national) Women's >>> Ordination Conference: >>> >>> In the Marquette U. archives is: >>> >>> - WOC, Series 6: >>> >>> >>> - WOMEN'S ORDINATION CONFERENCE RECORDS >>> - STATE AND LOCAL GROUPS, 1976-1999 >>> >>> of which Box 1, Folder 12 is: >>> >>> - Massachusetts, Boston Women's Ordination Conference, 1978-1986 >>> >>> This seems to be a clear case of a hierarchical relationship. >>> >>> >>> >>> Ann >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 8:53 PM, Hostage, John <[log in to unmask]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Ann, >>> >>> >>> >>> The NAR for Boston Women's Ordination Conference ǂd (1980) seems to be >>> clearly for a conference or meeting. The bib record mentions a public >>> hearing. The heading should include the location in the qualifier. If >>> there is also an organization by that name it would probably have to be >>> qualified by (Organization), but there is no need to establish it unless >>> you have resources that require the name. It's also possible that Boston >>> Women's Ordination Conference was the name of an organization that >>> sponsored an otherwise unnamed public hearing in spring 1980. >>> >>> >>> >>> The Women's Ordination Conference is clearly a corporate body, but I >>> don't see that a clear relationship has been established between the two >>> headings. >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------ >>> >>> John Hostage >>> >>> Senior Continuing Resources Cataloger >>> >>> Harvard Library--Information and Technical Services >>> >>> Langdell Hall 194 >>> >>> Harvard Law School Library >>> >>> Cambridge, MA 02138 >>> >>> [log in to unmask] >>> <http://../../owa/redir.aspx?C=fff0248a4daa423caadeb2f835259a11&URL=mailto%3ahostage%40law.harvard.edu> >>> >>> +(1)(617) 495-3974 (voice) >>> >>> +(1)(617) 496-4409 (fax) >>> ISNI 0000 0000 4028 0917 >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> *From:* Program for Cooperative Cataloging <[log in to unmask]> >>> on behalf of Ann Heinrichs <[log in to unmask]> >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 11, 2018 15:26 >>> *To:* [log in to unmask] >>> *Subject:* [PCCLIST] A conference that's not a conference, but a >>> corporate body? >>> >>> >>> >>> Please help! I have in hand a book of presentations given at the Boston >>> Women's Ordination Conference in Spring 1980 (OCLC#8204112). There is an >>> authority record (ARN 1350854) with: >>> >>> *111 2_ Boston Women's Ordination Conference **ǂ**d (1980)* >>> >>> 667 __ THIS 1XX FIELD CANNOT BE USED UNDER RDA UNTIL THIS RECORD HAS >>> BEEN REVIEWED AND/OR UPDATED >>> >>> >>> >>> Meanwhile, there is also a NAR (ARN 3063795) for: >>> >>> *110 2_ Women's Ordination Conference* >>> >>> >>> >>> The first record is created as a 111. However, this "conference" is an >>> organization that existed 1978-1986 and, according to all evidence, had a >>> big meeting with presentations only once, in 1980. Should it not actually >>> be a 110? If so, should I revise it accordingly, or make a new record and >>> request this one for deletion? >>> >>> >>> >>> The second record is created as a 110. According to their history >>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__womensordination.org_archive_history.html&d=DwMFaQ&c=WO-RGvefibhHBZq3fL85hQ&r=O9-UIVab7e9YxpBphmOmeEQruoCpRWXNPKDBg9tfb88&m=ZJIAr03kxQFlhNvAHQg8CNE1HxDCjsqXBZfGPRyG4OU&s=S5_zVbCX4jTd-bz12anzsNPh_9XjrPdocpDgIcvwQLs&e=>, >>> this organization was founded in 1975 and had national conferences four >>> times (1975, 1978, 1995, 2000). This record is properly a 110, right? Only >>> if I came across proceedings of a national conference would I create a >>> separate 111 record, right? >>> >>> >>> >>> Assuming both of these records should be 110s, they would have a >>> hierarchical superior/subordinate relationship, right? because the WOC had "state >>> and local groups >>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.marquette.edu_library_archives_Mss_WOC_WOC-2Dseries6.php&d=DwMFaQ&c=WO-RGvefibhHBZq3fL85hQ&r=O9-UIVab7e9YxpBphmOmeEQruoCpRWXNPKDBg9tfb88&m=ZJIAr03kxQFlhNvAHQg8CNE1HxDCjsqXBZfGPRyG4OU&s=HrK29tuMIuQ4JbPx_dQ8oSvt45d3t2Xypxnq9bJgOFM&e=> >>> ." >>> >>> >>> >>> Thank you so much for guiding me through the woods on this one! >>> >>> >>> >>> Ann >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> *Ann Heinrichs* >>> >>> Metadata/Cataloging Librarian | The Paul Bechtold Library >>> >>> Catholic Theological Union >>> >>> 5401 S. 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