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Pete and Jesse, I’m guessing this is because you think the person might look masculine or feminine but might claim some other gender.

Could this be putting rules above practicality? Are you so worried about breaking a rule that you don’t want to give information that might help people?

I have only used a picture as evidence of gender once. It was a picture of a middle aged man, and the book was published, I think, in the 70’s or 80’s.

If we say someone looks like a man or woman and someone later says “no, that’s incorrect,” we can change it. Of course I wouldn’t use a picture as evidence if the gender looked ambiguous.

Ted

 

From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging <[log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of Wilson, Pete
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2018 1:21 PM
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Dangerous!  I would never use a picture as my only evidence.

 

I think you could use a statement like “masculine pronouns used in information about author,” citing a page as a source.

 

Pete Wilson

Vanderbilt University

 

From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Gemberling, Ted P
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Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] Citing proof of gender in 670 for 375

 

Sometimes there will also be a picture of the person that allows you to identify their gender. I mention the picture in the 670.

 

Ted Gemberling

UAB Lister Hill Library

 

From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging <[log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of Jesse Lambertson
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2018 1:14 PM
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Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] Citing proof of gender in 670 for 375

 

Jay

 

My personal opinion is that we need a declarative statement in the work that talks about or describes the person's gender

 

I don't think there are names one can say are 'truly' gendered to be honest

 

In your example using 'his" in the text, I would think that would be enough to justify a 375 males $2 lcdgt

 

my 2 pfennigs

 

thank you

 

On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 2:11 PM Shorten, Jay <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Is there a best practice citation format for proof of gender in the 670 for the data we put in the 375? Is there a best practice as to when to do it? Obviously we should do it in doubtful or unusual situations, but would it be odd to do this for everyone?

 

Example: our person’s name is Shelby R. Gilley. Our proof that this is a man’s name is on page 63 (Shelby Gilley wrote about his friendship). Would “page 63 (his)” be sufficient? Or even “page 63 ([male])”? I have found cases where the only proof is the name itself as a clearly masculine or feminine name, or the only proof is the author’s picture.

 

Jay Shorten

Cataloger, Monographs and Electronic Resources

Associate Professor of Bibliography

Description & Access Department

University Libraries

University of Oklahoma

Co-ordinator, Oklahoma (Tornado) NACO Funnel

Co-owner, PERSNAME-L, the list about personal names in bibliographic and authority records

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