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I raised this in the Archive Forums at:

https://archive.org/post/1095214/unplayable-uploads

As you will read - one Jeff Kaplan responded but seemed to ignore my concerns.

So thanks to Brewster here for being more informative.

OK - so Archive is developing an OTR Archive. But the uploads are not
available for downloading or playing.

However the annoying issues are that 1/ there is no warning of these,
and 2/ the uploads swamp the results of a search making those results
difficult to assess.

There is a third issue  I thought that radio programmes were copyright
certainly those owned by the BBC. Has the BBC OK'd the uploading of so
many (thousands?) or their programmes? Many OTR sites have received
take-down or 'cease & desist' notices from the Beeb.

CJB.


On 25/09/2018, Brewster Kahle <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> You guys are good!  You found things the Internet Archive has not
> finished yet.
>
> The Internet Archive is working on archiving radio, but is not done yet.
>
> -brewster
>
>
>
> On 9/25/18 7:51 AM, CJB wrote:
>> Thanks guys. This is driving me mad!!!
>>
>> I search for "bbc radio 4 extra"
>>
>> https://archive.org/search.php?query=bbc%20radio%204%20extra
>>
>> I get listings displaying audio wave forms.
>>
>> I click on one, e.g.
>>
>> Radio Active : BBC Radio 4 Extra : August 11, 2016 08:30AM-09:00AM BST
>>
>> https://archive.org/details/BBC_Radio_4_Extra_20160811_073000_Radio_Active
>>
>> This displays a message:
>>
>> There Is No Preview Available For This Item
>>
>> This item does not appear to have any files that can be experienced on
>> Archive.org. Please download files in this item to interact with them
>> on your computer.
>> Show all files
>>
>> I click on [Show all files]
>>
>> https://archive.org/download/BBC_Radio_4_Extra_20160811_073000_Radio_Active
>>
>> This then displays
>>
>> Files for BBC_Radio_4_Extra_20160811_073000_Radio_Active
>>
>> Files marked with lock are not available for download.
>>
>> Name	Last modified	Size	Status
>> Go to parent directory	
>> BBC_Radio_4_Extra_20160811_073000_Radio_Active.afpk	11-Aug-2016
>> 08:05	332.2K	lock
>> BBC_Radio_4_Extra_20160811_073000_Radio_Active.asr.js	16-Aug-2016
>> 07:00	268.5K	lock
>> BBC_Radio_4_Extra_20160811_073000_Radio_Active.asr.srt	16-Aug-2016
>> 07:00	33.4K	lock
>> BBC_Radio_4_Extra_20160811_073000_Radio_Active.mp3	11-Aug-2016
>> 08:00	27.5M	lock
>> BBC_Radio_4_Extra_20160811_073000_Radio_Active.ogg	11-Aug-2016
>> 08:02	19.0M	lock
>> BBC_Radio_4_Extra_20160811_073000_Radio_Active.png	11-Aug-2016
>> 08:04	11.4K	lock
>> BBC_Radio_4_Extra_20160811_073000_Radio_Active_files.xml	18-Sep-2018
>> 22:00	4.0K	
>> BBC_Radio_4_Extra_20160811_073000_Radio_Active_meta.sqlite	11-Aug-2016
>> 08:00	12.0K
>> BBC_Radio_4_Extra_20160811_073000_Radio_Active_meta.xml	18-Sep-2018
>> 22:00	66.9K	
>> BBC_Radio_4_Extra_20160811_073000_Radio_Active_spectrogram.png	11-Aug-2016
>> 08:04	240.0K	lock
>> __ia_thumb.jpg	18-Sep-2018 22:00	2.7K	lock
>>
>> Most of which have a 'lock' symbol.
>>
>> I cannot access any of the files. And this situation is repeated
>> thousands of times.
>>
>> These unavailable entries are cluttering up all searches.
>>
>> Why are the there if no-one can access them.
>>
>> CJB
>>
>>
>> On 25/09/2018, Steve McLaughlin <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>> Can you send a link to a padlocked recording on Archive.org? I'm curious
>>> to
>>> take a look.
>>>
>>> Whenever you see a stream-only recording on that site (ones that play,
>>> anyway), it's usually trivial to find the URL and download it.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Steve McLaughlin
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 3:38 AM Jennifer Vaughn
>>> <[log in to unmask]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Chris,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I see that there are many "mirror only" and "stream only" items from
>>>> BBC
>>>> and VOA.  These types of audio items are considered collection names in
>>>> the
>>>> metadata. I didn't spend loads of time on this, so there surely could
>>>> be
>>>> other collection types that don't have downloadable files.
>>>>
>>>> While I don't know exactly what you are searching for or how you are
>>>> searching, my instinct here would be to try the advanced search (
>>>> https://archive.org/advancedsearch.php), and use Boolean operators to
>>>> exclude (at least) these two collection types; also limit to media
>>>> type:
>>>> audio along with whatever keywords you are using.
>>>>
>>>> Internet Archive: Search Engine<https://archive.org/advancedsearch.php>
>>>> archive.org
>>>> Notes. You can try constructing a search query and hitting "Search" in
>>>> the
>>>> top "Advanced Search" section and then coming "back" to this section to
>>>> copy that query into the "Query:" box.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Here is how a sample search string using Boolean operators with
>>>> (random)
>>>> keyword "lost" would look, though the advanced search form on the
>>>> Archive
>>>> site is simpler to use:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> (lost) AND mediatype:(audio) AND -collection:(podcasts_mirror) AND
>>>> -collection:(stream_only)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hope this helps, if you haven't already gone this route.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best wishes,
>>>>
>>>> Jennifer Vaughn
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List <
>>>> [log in to unmask]> on behalf of CJB <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 8:24:25 AM
>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>> Subject: [ARSCLIST] Internet Archive Search Results
>>>>
>>>> Recently we've been using the Internet Archive to search for 'lost' or
>>>> rare radio recordings. We have now discovered that the BBC, VOA, and
>>>> numerous other radio stations have uploaded thousands if not millions
>>>> of recordings which are 'padlocked' that are unavailable for
>>>> downloading.
>>>>
>>>> After a key word search results are displayed as audio wave files
>>>> implying that they are available to listen to. However these are
>>>> always 'locked' from both playing and downloading.
>>>>
>>>> This situation has become a major irritant in that search results are
>>>> now being swamped by these unavailable listings and in fact - for us -
>>>> are rendering Archive.org completely unusable.
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone know what's going on? And better how to filter out these
>>>> unavailable listings?
>>>>
>>>> C.J.Brady
>>>>
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