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In a worst case, more weight can help, although that does the record no good. Increase the arm weight to about 5 grams and see if that's any better. Or you could try putting a nickel or a quarter on top the cartridge shell. I've done that where nothing else works. Google tells me that a quarter weighs 5.67 grams. Best, John On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 9:25 AM, 6295LARGE <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Hi Donald, > > How are you? > > Thanks for clearing that up. It IS interesting! > I still have a tracking problem which is the original reason I posted here. > I've tried many different styli, even LP, but they always skip. > I looks like the grooves are jerky, but even if I play it at 45 or 33 so as > to make the jerking less violent, they stylus still jumps forward. > I've cleaned them with Nitty Gritty solution for vinyl, but to no avail. > > The records really feel like vinyl, but the label is the scrolled red > label. It has a VE at the top and bottom. > > Regards, > Ben > > > > > On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 2:11 PM Donald Tait < > [log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > Hi Ben, > > There seems to be a bit of confusion. > > > > As Dennis Rooney pointed out, the first pressings of Victor M-127, the > > 78-rpm issue of Stokowski's recording of Gurrelieder, were made not with > > standard shellac, but with the Victrolac compound (with the standard > scroll > > labels). I own one. If your discs play at 78 rpm, that is what you have, > > too. All subsequent pressings of M-127 were made of standard shellac. The > > version of Gurrelieder issued on the 33-1/3 rpm Program Transcription > discs > > in set LM-127 were also made of Victrolac, but as Rich Kaplan said, that > is > > a separate (and very scarce) set. > > > > Don Tait > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: 6295LARGE <[log in to unmask]> > > To: ARSCLIST <[log in to unmask]> > > Sent: Thu, Sep 20, 2018 12:03 pm > > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Shoenberg: Gurrelieder Stokowski vinyl 78 M-127 > > tracking problems > > > > Hi Rich, > > Thanks for the email, but It's not the Vitrolac. It's M-127 with the > > scrolled red label. > > I guess it was made after they invented vinyl, but it's terrible when I > > try to play it. > > > > Regards, > > Ben > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 3:52 PM Richard Kaplan < > > [log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > > > Hi Ben, > > > > > > From what you describe, what you have is almost certainly the Victrolac > > > "Program Transcription" as Gary describes. How to tell: the album > number > > is > > > LM-127 as opposed to simply M or DM; and, the discs have a silver label > > as > > > opposed to the standard red label for 78s. These are not "78s" at all, > > but > > > early long-play discs that were cut at 33.3. The set is quite rare. > > > > > > As for tracking, the grooves are narrower than those of regular 78s; my > > > copy also mistracks with a standard 78 stylus. Mark Obert-Thorn > > recommends > > > a 2.0 mil stylus. > > > > > > Rich Kaplan > > > > > > In a message dated 9/19/2018 2:34:11 PM Central Standard Time, > > > [log in to unmask] writes: > > > > > > > > > Hi Ben, > > > > > > I should have read your first sentence more carefully. What you > describe > > > as vinyl is actually Victrolac, a "thermoplastic resin" that Victor > > > developed for the long-playing Program Transcriptions. There was quite > a > > > bit of discussion a few weeks back about Victrolac on this list. > > > > > > Is the stylus picking up any dirt? Dennis Rooney described a problem > with > > > Victrolac records oozing sticky gook into the grooves. Perhaps he can > > > respond and refresh our memories on this. > > > > > > Gary > > > > > > ____________________________ > > > > > > Gary Galo > > > Audio Engineer Emeritus > > > The Crane School of Music > > > SUNY at Potsdam, NY 13676 > > > > > > "Great art presupposes the alert mind of the educated listener." > > > Arnold Schoenberg > > > > > > "A true artist doesn't want to be admired, he wants to be believed." > > > Igor Markevitch > > > > > > "If you design an audio system based on the premise that nothing is > > > audible, > > > on that system nothing will be audible." > > > G. Galo > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List [mailto: > > > [log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of 6295LARGE > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 3:26 PM > > > To: [log in to unmask] > > > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Shoenberg: Gurrelieder Stokowski vinyl 78 M-127 > > > tracking problems > > > > > > Hi Gary, > > > > > > I never heard of Victrolac. > > > I'm sure the record is clean, because I just cleaned it. > > > I cleaned it with "PURE 2 - Professional record cleaner from by "Nitty > > > Gritty" > > > > > > I has the scroll label and it feels like vinyl. Is it not vinyl? > > > > > > Regards, > > > Ben > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 3:17 PM Gary A. Galo <[log in to unmask]> > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Ben, > > > > > > > > Is this a Victrolac pressing with scroll labels, or regular shellac? > My > > > > Victrolac copy has a lot of crud in the grooves, a problem with that > > > > material that was mentioned a few weeks back on this list. If this is > > the > > > > case, the records need a good cleaning. > > > > > > > > I also had, at one time, a post-war shellac pressing with RCA Victor > > > > labels, and a banner-style cover on the album. I've used a 2.5 mil TE > > on > > > > both sets without problems. > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > Gary > > > > > > > > ____________________________ > > > > > > > > Gary Galo > > > > Audio Engineer Emeritus > > > > The Crane School of Music > > > > SUNY at Potsdam, NY 13676 > > > > > > > > "Great art presupposes the alert mind of the educated listener." > > > > Arnold Schoenberg > > > > > > > > "A true artist doesn't want to be admired, he wants to be believed." > > > > Igor Markevitch > > > > > > > > "If you design an audio system based on the premise that nothing is > > > > audible, > > > > on that system nothing will be audible." > > > > G. Galo > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List [mailto: > > > > [log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of 6295LARGE > > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 3:07 PM > > > > To: [log in to unmask] > > > > Subject: [ARSCLIST] Shoenberg: Gurrelieder Stokowski vinyl 78 M-127 > > > > tracking problems > > > > > > > > Hello everyone > > > > > > > > I never thought I'd have tracking problems with these beautiful vinyl > > > 78s, > > > > but i do. > > > > I know they've been reissued on LP and CD, but, strange as it may > > seem, I > > > > need to have the 78's for transferring purposes. > > > > The styli are jumping. I've even tried with a .7 mil stylus just to > see > > > if > > > > it would track better. > > > > I tried playing the records at 45 and 33, but the styli keep jumping > > > > forward. It looks as though the grooves are jerky while the records > > look > > > > brand new. > > > > > > > > Has anyone ever come across this problem? > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Ben Roth > > > > PLEASE respond to [log in to unmask] > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > > >