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Corey, It's possible to use a commercial vendor for VPN protection without purchasing (and maintaining) a VPN server. I've been using a VPN service for a while now. DuckDuckGo (a search company) did a blog article about VPNs last fall, though there are many articles about VPN service available on "the web." Among other things, by using a VPN server located in the U.K., for example, media streams that would normally be blocked to computers with IP addresses in the U.S. are available to me. See: "How to Choose a Good VPN" https://spreadprivacy.com/how-to-choose-a-vpn/ --greg schmitz On 9/13/18 14:11 PM, Corey Bailey wrote: > Hi Gary, > > I too am a Californian and we'll have to see what happens in the > Golden State. That said, once your data leaves the state, you are at > the mercy of the carrier. ARSC, for example, is not based in > California. AFIK, the only way to have some control over your data is > to go total VPN. What I mean by "total VPN" is to have your data > encrypted from your device all the way to your VPN host. That gets > expensive because, besides the monthly cost of a VPN service, you will > need the latest model VPN router that will run the encryption software > from the host you use. Not all VPN hosts offer this level of service. > Once your data has left the VPN servers, it can be mined (no longer > encrypted). The only difference is that the data miners will not know > where it came from. > > Meanwhile, for an example, several countries have satellites in outer > space that can clearly read the license plate of your vehicle. This > and many other scenarios are what I meant by "there is no longer any > such thing as living off the grid." > > Data mining is a real sore spot with me and this is, most likely, not > the forum for this kind of rant. So, if you would like to continue > off-list, I'm interested! > > Cheers! > > Corey > > Corey Bailey Audio Engineering > www.baileyzone.net > > On 9/13/2018 9:42 AM, Stewart Gooderman wrote: >> I can, in turn decide *who* I want to mine my data, and whether or >> not they are using it responsibly. Facebook, IMHO, has never used it >> responsibly, so I will not be part of their platform. >> >> And if signed by the governor, here in California, net neutrally will >> be alive and well. >> >> DrG >> >> >>> On Sep 13, 2018, at 9:17 AM, Corey Bailey <[log in to unmask]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> If you use the internet, your data is being mined. As of this year, >>> with the death of Net Neutrality, your ISP can mine your data and >>> sell it to whomever they want. Social media (all of them) are only >>> one of many, starting with your ISP, who perfected the idea of data >>> mining.The NSA collects all data originating in the US including all >>> traffic coming in or leaving the US. They sort through it in a >>> billion dollar facility (your tax payer dollars at work) near Salt >>> Lake City, Utah. The main difference is that the NSA doesn't sell >>> your data, just checks it. There's no longer any such thing as >>> "living off the grid." >>> >>> No cheers, >>> >>> Corey >>> >>> Corey Bailey Audio Engineering >>> www.baileyzone.net >>> >>> On 9/12/2018 8:49 AM, Stewart Gooderman wrote: >>>> I agree. Facebook mines everyone’s data and sells it without your >>>> permission, including people you communicate with. Its security >>>> profile, in a word, stinks. I’ve closed my account down. Won’t use it. >>>> >>>> DrG >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Sep 12, 2018, at 8:27 AM, Steven Smolian <[log in to unmask]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> We all have email. That suffices. >>>>> >>>>> I consider anything on facebook unreliable and will not use it. >>>>> Don't split the ARSC community so those of us deeply uncomfortable >>>>> with Facebook are frozen out. >>>>> >>>>> Steven Smolian >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List >>>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Mason Vander Lugt >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 10:32 AM >>>>> To: [log in to unmask] >>>>> Subject: [ARSCLIST] ARSC Facebook Group? >>>>> >>>>> Hi ARSC, the Online Media Committee is looking into the idea of >>>>> creating a discussion group on Facebook, and would like your (ARSC >>>>> member) input about the possibility. In short, a "Group", in >>>>> Facebook terms, functions more like a web forum, and would not >>>>> replace our existing Facebook "Page", which is designed more for >>>>> ARSC to communicate with members and the public (but, to a lesser >>>>> extent, supports user submissions). >>>>> >>>>> For examples, you can look at existing Facebook groups for similar >>>>> organizations: >>>>> AMIA (https://www.facebook.com/groups/76820094560) >>>>> IASA (https://www.facebook.com/groups/179371048900314) >>>>> AES (https://www.facebook.com/groups/AudioEngineeringSoc) >>>>> >>>>> We have created an anonymous 5-question survey on Google forms, >>>>> link below. Please take a moment to complete it to let us know how >>>>> you feel about the idea. The OMC will discuss the results at our >>>>> meeting later this month and will update here after we've had a >>>>> chance to process results and weigh options. If you would like >>>>> more information about what such a group would entail, feel free >>>>> to write me and/or Andrew Hansbrough ([log in to unmask]). >>>>> >>>>> https://goo.gl/forms/b78SSo8dKHGMvo9H2 >>>>> >>>>> Thank you, >>>>> Mason Vander Lugt and the Online Media Committee >>>>> >>>>> P.S. if you are on Facebook but aren't yet following the official >>>>> ARSC page, check it out! - https://www.facebook.com/arscaudio/