It's possible to use a commercial vendor for VPN protection without 
purchasing (and maintaining) a VPN server.  I've been using a VPN 
service for a while now.  DuckDuckGo (a search company) did a blog 
article about VPNs last fall, though there are many articles about VPN 
service available on "the web."  Among other things, by using a VPN 
server located in the U.K., for example, media streams that would 
normally be blocked to computers with IP addresses in the U.S. are 
available to me.

See: "How to Choose a Good VPN"

--greg schmitz

On 9/13/18 14:11 PM, Corey Bailey wrote:
> Hi Gary,
> I too am a Californian and we'll have to see what happens in the 
> Golden State. That said, once your data leaves the state, you are at 
> the mercy of the carrier. ARSC, for example, is not based in 
> California. AFIK, the only way to have some control over your data is 
> to go total VPN. What I mean by "total VPN" is to have your data 
> encrypted from your device all the way to your VPN host. That gets 
> expensive because, besides the monthly cost of a VPN service, you will 
> need the latest model VPN router that will run the encryption software 
> from the host you use. Not all VPN hosts offer this level of service.  
> Once your data has left the VPN servers, it can be mined (no longer 
> encrypted). The only difference is that the data miners will not know 
> where it came from.
> Meanwhile, for an example, several countries have satellites in outer 
> space that can clearly read the license plate of your vehicle. This 
> and many other scenarios are what I meant by "there is no longer any 
> such thing as living off the grid."
> Data mining is a real sore spot with me and this is, most likely, not 
> the forum for this kind of rant. So, if you would like to continue 
> off-list, I'm interested!
> Cheers!
> Corey
> Corey Bailey Audio Engineering
> On 9/13/2018 9:42 AM, Stewart Gooderman wrote:
>> I can, in turn decide *who* I want to mine my data, and whether or 
>> not they are using it responsibly. Facebook, IMHO, has never used it 
>> responsibly, so I will not be part of their platform.
>> And if signed by the governor, here in California, net neutrally will 
>> be alive and well.
>> DrG
>>> On Sep 13, 2018, at 9:17 AM, Corey Bailey <[log in to unmask]> 
>>> wrote:
>>> If you use the internet, your data is being mined. As of this year, 
>>> with the death of Net Neutrality, your ISP can mine your data and 
>>> sell it to whomever they want. Social media (all of them) are only 
>>> one of many, starting with your ISP, who perfected the idea of data 
>>> mining.The NSA collects all data originating in the US including all 
>>> traffic coming in or leaving the US. They sort through it in a 
>>> billion dollar facility (your tax payer dollars at work) near Salt 
>>> Lake City, Utah. The main difference is that the NSA doesn't sell 
>>> your data, just checks it. There's no longer any such thing as 
>>> "living off the grid."
>>> No cheers,
>>> Corey
>>> Corey Bailey Audio Engineering
>>> On 9/12/2018 8:49 AM, Stewart Gooderman wrote:
>>>> I agree. Facebook mines everyone’s data and sells it without your 
>>>> permission, including people you communicate with. Its security 
>>>> profile, in a word, stinks. I’ve closed my account down. Won’t use it.
>>>> DrG
>>>>> On Sep 12, 2018, at 8:27 AM, Steven Smolian <[log in to unmask]> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> We all have email.  That suffices.
>>>>> I consider anything on facebook unreliable and will not use it.  
>>>>> Don't split the ARSC community so those of us deeply uncomfortable 
>>>>> with Facebook are frozen out.
>>>>> Steven Smolian
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List 
>>>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Mason Vander Lugt
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 10:32 AM
>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>> Subject: [ARSCLIST] ARSC Facebook Group?
>>>>> Hi ARSC, the Online Media Committee is looking into the idea of 
>>>>> creating a discussion group on Facebook, and would like your (ARSC 
>>>>> member) input about the possibility. In short, a "Group", in 
>>>>> Facebook terms, functions more like a web forum, and would not 
>>>>> replace our existing Facebook "Page", which is designed more for 
>>>>> ARSC to communicate with members and the public (but, to a lesser 
>>>>> extent, supports user submissions).
>>>>> For examples, you can look at existing Facebook groups for similar 
>>>>> organizations:
>>>>> AMIA (
>>>>> IASA (
>>>>> AES (
>>>>> We have created an anonymous 5-question survey on Google forms, 
>>>>> link below. Please take a moment to complete it to let us know how 
>>>>> you feel about the idea. The OMC will discuss the results at our 
>>>>> meeting later this month and will update here after we've had a 
>>>>> chance to process results and weigh options. If you would like 
>>>>> more information about what such a group would entail, feel free 
>>>>> to write me and/or Andrew Hansbrough ([log in to unmask]).
>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>> Mason Vander Lugt and the Online Media Committee
>>>>> P.S. if you are on Facebook but aren't yet following the official 
>>>>> ARSC page, check it out! -