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He was saying that you need a router that can act as a client. Not your own server. In any case, while a VPN can be useful for shielding your traffic from your ISP and any intermediaries or hostile actors between your client and the web host you're connected to, and can be useful in terms of getting around geographical restrictions, it won't serve to make you anonymous or prevent you from being tracked on e.g. Facebook or Google. Your IP may have changed but the cookies persist...

-------- Original Message --------
From: Greg Schmitz <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2018 04:15 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Data mining, was: ARSC Facebook Group?

>
> Corey,
> 
> It's possible to use a commercial vendor for VPN protection without 
> purchasing (and maintaining) a VPN server.  I've been using a VPN 
> service for a while now.  DuckDuckGo (a search company) did a blog 
> article about VPNs last fall, though there are many articles about VPN 
> service available on "the web."  Among other things, by using a VPN 
> server located in the U.K., for example, media streams that would 
> normally be blocked to computers with IP addresses in the U.S. are 
> available to me.
> 
> See: "How to Choose a Good VPN"
> https://spreadprivacy.com/how-to-choose-a-vpn/
> 
> --greg schmitz
> 
> 
> 
> On 9/13/18 14:11 PM, Corey Bailey wrote:
> > Hi Gary,
> >
> > I too am a Californian and we'll have to see what happens in the 
> > Golden State. That said, once your data leaves the state, you are at 
> > the mercy of the carrier. ARSC, for example, is not based in 
> > California. AFIK, the only way to have some control over your data is 
> > to go total VPN. What I mean by "total VPN" is to have your data 
> > encrypted from your device all the way to your VPN host. That gets 
> > expensive because, besides the monthly cost of a VPN service, you will 
> > need the latest model VPN router that will run the encryption software 
> > from the host you use. Not all VPN hosts offer this level of service.  
> > Once your data has left the VPN servers, it can be mined (no longer 
> > encrypted). The only difference is that the data miners will not know 
> > where it came from.
> >
> > Meanwhile, for an example, several countries have satellites in outer 
> > space that can clearly read the license plate of your vehicle. This 
> > and many other scenarios are what I meant by "there is no longer any 
> > such thing as living off the grid."
> >
> > Data mining is a real sore spot with me and this is, most likely, not 
> > the forum for this kind of rant. So, if you would like to continue 
> > off-list, I'm interested!
> >
> > Cheers!
> >
> > Corey
> >
> > Corey Bailey Audio Engineering
> > www.baileyzone.net
> >
> > On 9/13/2018 9:42 AM, Stewart Gooderman wrote:
> >> I can, in turn decide *who* I want to mine my data, and whether or 
> >> not they are using it responsibly. Facebook, IMHO, has never used it 
> >> responsibly, so I will not be part of their platform.
> >>
> >> And if signed by the governor, here in California, net neutrally will 
> >> be alive and well.
> >>
> >> DrG
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Sep 13, 2018, at 9:17 AM, Corey Bailey <[log in to unmask]> 
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> If you use the internet, your data is being mined. As of this year, 
> >>> with the death of Net Neutrality, your ISP can mine your data and 
> >>> sell it to whomever they want. Social media (all of them) are only 
> >>> one of many, starting with your ISP, who perfected the idea of data 
> >>> mining.The NSA collects all data originating in the US including all 
> >>> traffic coming in or leaving the US. They sort through it in a 
> >>> billion dollar facility (your tax payer dollars at work) near Salt 
> >>> Lake City, Utah. The main difference is that the NSA doesn't sell 
> >>> your data, just checks it. There's no longer any such thing as 
> >>> "living off the grid."
> >>>
> >>> No cheers,
> >>>
> >>> Corey
> >>>
> >>> Corey Bailey Audio Engineering
> >>> www.baileyzone.net
> >>>
> >>> On 9/12/2018 8:49 AM, Stewart Gooderman wrote:
> >>>> I agree. Facebook mines everyone’s data and sells it without your 
> >>>> permission, including people you communicate with. Its security 
> >>>> profile, in a word, stinks. I’ve closed my account down. Won’t use it.
> >>>>
> >>>> DrG
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Sep 12, 2018, at 8:27 AM, Steven Smolian <[log in to unmask]> 
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> We all have email.  That suffices.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I consider anything on facebook unreliable and will not use it.  
> >>>>> Don't split the ARSC community so those of us deeply uncomfortable 
> >>>>> with Facebook are frozen out.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Steven Smolian
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List 
> >>>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Mason Vander Lugt
> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 10:32 AM
> >>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
> >>>>> Subject: [ARSCLIST] ARSC Facebook Group?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hi ARSC, the Online Media Committee is looking into the idea of 
> >>>>> creating a discussion group on Facebook, and would like your (ARSC 
> >>>>> member) input about the possibility. In short, a "Group", in 
> >>>>> Facebook terms, functions more like a web forum, and would not 
> >>>>> replace our existing Facebook "Page", which is designed more for 
> >>>>> ARSC to communicate with members and the public (but, to a lesser 
> >>>>> extent, supports user submissions).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> For examples, you can look at existing Facebook groups for similar 
> >>>>> organizations:
> >>>>> AMIA (https://www.facebook.com/groups/76820094560)
> >>>>> IASA (https://www.facebook.com/groups/179371048900314)
> >>>>> AES (https://www.facebook.com/groups/AudioEngineeringSoc)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> We have created an anonymous 5-question survey on Google forms, 
> >>>>> link below. Please take a moment to complete it to let us know how 
> >>>>> you feel about the idea. The OMC will discuss the results at our 
> >>>>> meeting later this month and will update here after we've had a 
> >>>>> chance to process results and weigh options. If you would like 
> >>>>> more information about what such a group would entail, feel free 
> >>>>> to write me and/or Andrew Hansbrough ([log in to unmask]).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> https://goo.gl/forms/b78SSo8dKHGMvo9H2
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thank you,
> >>>>> Mason Vander Lugt and the Online Media Committee
> >>>>>
> >>>>> P.S. if you are on Facebook but aren't yet following the official 
> >>>>> ARSC page, check it out! - https://www.facebook.com/arscaudio/
>