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It would be a lot more solid if they were all members! Best, Gary ____________________________ Gary Galo Audio Engineer Emeritus The Crane School of Music SUNY at Potsdam, NY 13676 "Great art presupposes the alert mind of the educated listener." Arnold Schoenberg "A true artist doesn't want to be admired, he wants to be believed." Igor Markevitch "If you design an audio system based on the premise that nothing is audible, on that system nothing will be audible." G. Galo -----Original Message----- From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Burgess, Scott Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2018 1:40 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] [EXT] Re: [ARSCLIST] ARSC Facebook Group? Gary, how many subscribe to this email list? 2500 sounds like a pretty solid following for a specialty FaceBook page like that. And the sort of things that are getting posted there don’t detract from this list at all, IMHO. Scott ---- Scott Burgess | Manager of Recording Labs and Live Sound Dept of Music and Entertainment Industry Studies University of Colorado Denver 303-315-7462 (office – please note new phone number!) [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> | cam.ucdenver.edu<http://cam.ucdenver.edu/> [cid:443432E4-D3BB-4D13-828A-4D2AE402E939] On Sep 16, 2018, at 11:21 AM, Gary Gottlieb <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: David is correct, there is already a facebook page, but there are only about 2,500 people following it. Gary Gottlieb Co-Chair, AES Historical Committee, DC Section Secretary, and Eastern Region Vice President Elect, Audio Engineering Society Executive Director,St. Louis Audio Project http://stlaudio.org/ Author, Shaping Sound in the Studio and Beyond, Recording on the Go & How Does It Sound Now? (Winner of the 2010 ARSC Award for Excellence in Historical Recorded Sound Research) http://stlaudio.org/gottlieb/ On Sun, Sep 16, 2018 at 12:59 PM, David Glasser <[log in to unmask]> wrote: I hate to break it to everyone, but there already is an ARSC Facebook: created in 2009, and appears to be fairly active. David Glasser Chief Engineer 303-247-9035 <http://www.airshowmastering.com/> <http://www.airshowmastering.com/> On Sep 16, 2018, at 10:23 AM, Dennis Rooney <[log in to unmask]> wrote: In reply to John Schroth's recent post re the to-FaceBook-or-not-to-FaceBook question: What tender blossoms some of his respondents must be. The ARSC listserv is a community of adults which shares a number of common interests. Why wouldn't the questions or comments of a younger person or one "from a different demographic" be greeted by anything other than courtesy? Yes, some extraordinarily naïve questions have been received on the list, but I have not noted hostility to that naïveté but rather a desire to answer helpfully. Younger people should always be welcomed but not by a diminution in the quality of our communication. I personally do not approve of anything that dilutes the community. Therefore, I do not welcome the Facebook suggestion. DDR On Sat, Sep 15, 2018 at 11:04 PM John Schroth < [log in to unmask]> wrote: Hi Richard, Steve and the rest of the ARSC community. I have gotten quite a number of personal replies to my post stating that we should have a facebook page. These were people who were not comfortable with replying to my post on the ARSC list-serve for the whole community to see. Two examples: "THANK YOU, John! I think that's the whole point of having another platform for discussion-- to reach individuals of different demographics who might not yet know about us who might be interested in joining". "Thank you, thank you, and thank you" These people and all the other direct replies were from younger people who really felt that a facebook page was important. Most likely these people followed the ARSC list-serve but felt uncomfortable posting what they really felt about a facebook page, because they were new to the community, or followed our list-serve because of the valuable information they gained from it, but didn't feel comfortable making a comment because of all the long-time experienced participants to the list-serve that did not like facebook. They might have even been scared of getting criticized if they supported a facebook page publicly. I totally get that. Here's a perfect example that I shared with these people..... We have an exchange program here, where students studying at the George Eastman Museum's Film Preservation Program, work with my company part time. Most of them are interested in audio preservation as well. Most of them know of and follow AMIA. None to date have heard of ARSC when they first started working here. All of them use and follow facebook on a regular basis. If the George Eastman Museum's Selznick School facebook page "liked" the ARSC page, there's an immediate connection that all these students could make with ARSC. All of them since working at our place, now follow ARSC quietly. That's just an example....... Many who are getting to know ARSC - many of them younger people or people who are just starting out in audio preservation or collecting, may not be comfortable posting to the list-serve. It's daunting. Having a facebook page where these people could connect, make friends, share thoughts and ideas with each other directly, may spur them to becoming more involved with the ARSC organization. I joined ARSC and AMIA at about the same time. I was very lucky to have both ARSC and AMIA both come to Rochester, NY for their annual conference within a year of each other. I greatly respect AMIA but honestly, the people at the ARSC conference were much more open and welcoming. Steve Smolian - you asked me to join your table for both a lunch and a dinner without even knowing me. I will never forget that. You were warm, friendly and made me feel a part of the group. For people who are younger, an ARSC facebook page goes a long way to doing that same thing. Steve, I'm totally in your camp. I would rather live in the world that I grew up in, without all of this computer driven social media "crap". But this is the world we live in. You have the chance to become "facebook friends" with someone younger you can inspire. A portion of their world includes social media and they might never connect with you without something like facebook. You have the chance to effect young people you would never have the chance to connect with, if it wasn't for something like facebook. I can see someone new to ARSC becoming your facebook friend, then asking you a question directly because they were not confident enough to post the question for all to see on the ARSC list-serve. You could encourage them to post their question to the list-serve so that others could benefit by their question and explain that you have their back, in case someone made a derogatory comment on their post. In my world, I plan to be doing what I do for the next 10-15 years, then I'm done. I love teaching young people how to work with other media formats besides motion picture film. If students who work at my place can take with them the unique intricacies and challenges of preserving analog audio formats, they pick up skills and knowledge which gives them an appreciation of the medium. They might even play an important role in helping to preserve a piece of audio history in the future. I think this is one of the goals that ARSC is ultimately all about. I think that facebook might help bridge that gap between the "old school people" and future generations that we pass our knowledge on to. From one of the members who loves the "old school" and is trying my best to assimilate with the "new school" as best I can. Kind Regards, John Schroth -- Media Transfer Service, LLC High Quality Conversion Of: Video - Audio - Motion Picture - Still Image Phone: 585-248-4908 Web: www.mediatransferservice.com Find out what's new at MTS: http://www.mediatransferservice.com/whats%20new.htm On 9/15/2018 8:15 PM, Richard L. Hess wrote: Hi, Steve, I understand your concerns about Facebook, but, as I think I stated previously, there is a whole group of people who, for whatever reasons, aren't on the ARSC List. Hopefully some of us who do take part in the ARSC Facebook presence, should it come to pass, will be able to reach those people and perhaps bring them into the fold of ARSCLIST as well for the more complete answer. It is organizational outreach, and I am as guilty as the next person of limiting my organizational involvement based on attempting to balance my priorities. I try to give in some way or the other to both ARSC and AES, as well as the audio archiving community in general. Every pathway is imperfect, we must try to make use of pathways that can reach the most people. Cheers, Richard On 2018-09-15 7:47 PM, Steven Smolian wrote: Speaking (well, typing) for myself, I fear the loss of the ARSC list participants' cumulated skills and knowledge if we allow a facebook presence with our imprimatur lacking some of these participants. Incomplete info in often leads to misinformation out. Willfully ignoring the path to otherwise available information by taking an easier route that potentially avoids some of it- well, there are enough examples of that in daily life. It's why we have refereed journals. -- Media Transfer Service, LLC High Quality Conversion Of: Video - Audio - Motion Picture - Still Image Phone: 585-248-4908 Web: www.mediatransferservice.com Find out what's new at MTS: http://www.mediatransferservice.com/whats%20new.htm -- 1006 Langer Way Delray Beach, FL 33483 561.265.2976