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Maybe at some point they will be. Facebook, for all its downside, is a
great recruiting tool.


Gary Gottlieb
Co-Chair, AES Historical Committee, DC Section Secretary, and Eastern
Region Vice President Elect, Audio Engineering Society
Executive Director,St. Louis Audio Project
http://stlaudio.org/
Author, Shaping Sound in the Studio and Beyond, Recording on the Go & How
Does It Sound Now? (Winner of the 2010 ARSC Award for Excellence in
Historical Recorded Sound Research)
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On Sun, Sep 16, 2018 at 2:20 PM, Gary A. Galo <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> It would be a lot more solid if they were all members!
>
> Best,
> Gary
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> Gary Galo
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> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] [EXT] Re: [ARSCLIST] ARSC Facebook Group?
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> Gary, how many subscribe to this email list? 2500 sounds like a pretty
> solid following for a specialty FaceBook page like that. And the sort of
> things that are getting posted there don’t detract from this list at all,
> IMHO.
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> On Sep 16, 2018, at 11:21 AM, Gary Gottlieb <[log in to unmask]<
> mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
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> David is correct, there is already a facebook page, but there are only
> about 2,500 people following it.
>
> Gary Gottlieb
> Co-Chair, AES Historical Committee, DC Section Secretary, and Eastern
> Region Vice President Elect, Audio Engineering Society
> Executive Director,St. Louis Audio Project
> http://stlaudio.org/
> Author, Shaping Sound in the Studio and Beyond, Recording on the Go & How
> Does It Sound Now? (Winner of the 2010 ARSC Award for Excellence in
> Historical Recorded Sound Research)
> http://stlaudio.org/gottlieb/
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> On Sun, Sep 16, 2018 at 12:59 PM, David Glasser <[log in to unmask]
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> wrote:
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> I hate to break it to everyone, but there already is an ARSC Facebook:
> created in 2009, and appears to be fairly active.
>
> David Glasser
> Chief Engineer
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> On Sep 16, 2018, at 10:23 AM, Dennis Rooney <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
> In reply to John Schroth's recent post re the
> to-FaceBook-or-not-to-FaceBook question:
>
> What tender blossoms some of his respondents must be. The ARSC listserv
> is
> a community of adults which shares a number of common interests. Why
> wouldn't the questions or comments of a younger person or one "from a
> different demographic" be greeted by anything other than courtesy? Yes,
> some extraordinarily naïve questions have been received on the list, but
> I
> have not noted hostility to that naïveté but rather a desire to answer
> helpfully. Younger people should always be welcomed but not by a
> diminution
> in the quality of our communication. I personally do not approve of
> anything that dilutes the community. Therefore, I do not welcome the
> Facebook suggestion.
>
> DDR
>
> On Sat, Sep 15, 2018 at 11:04 PM John Schroth <
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> wrote:
>
> Hi Richard, Steve and the rest of the ARSC community.
>
> I have gotten quite a number of personal replies to my post stating that
> we should have a facebook page. These were people who were not
> comfortable with replying to my post on the ARSC list-serve for the
> whole community to see. Two examples:
>
> "THANK YOU, John! I think that's the whole point of having another
> platform for discussion-- to reach individuals of different demographics
> who might not yet know about us who might be interested in joining".
>
> "Thank you, thank you, and thank you"
>
> These people and all the other direct replies were from younger people
> who really felt that a facebook page was important. Most likely these
> people followed the ARSC list-serve but felt uncomfortable posting what
> they really felt about a facebook page, because they were new to the
> community, or followed our list-serve because of the valuable
> information they gained from it, but didn't feel comfortable making a
> comment because of all the long-time experienced participants to the
> list-serve that did not like facebook. They might have even been scared
> of getting criticized if they supported a facebook page publicly. I
> totally get that.
>
> Here's a perfect example that I shared with these people.....
>
> We have an exchange program here, where students studying at the George
> Eastman Museum's Film Preservation Program, work with my company part
> time. Most of them are interested in audio preservation as well. Most of
> them know of and follow AMIA. None to date have heard of ARSC when they
> first started working here. All of them use and follow facebook on a
> regular basis. If the George Eastman Museum's Selznick School facebook
> page "liked" the ARSC page, there's an immediate connection that all
> these students could make with ARSC. All of them since working at our
> place, now follow ARSC quietly.
>
> That's just an example.......
>
> Many who are getting to know ARSC - many of them younger people or
> people who are just starting out in audio preservation or collecting,
> may not be comfortable posting to the list-serve. It's daunting. Having
> a facebook page where these people could connect, make friends, share
> thoughts and ideas with each other directly, may spur them to becoming
> more involved with the ARSC organization.
>
> I joined ARSC and AMIA at about the same time. I was very lucky to have
> both ARSC and AMIA both come to Rochester, NY for their annual
> conference within a year of each other. I greatly respect AMIA but
> honestly, the people at the ARSC conference were much more open and
> welcoming. Steve Smolian - you asked me to join your table for both a
> lunch and a dinner without even knowing me. I will never forget that.
> You were warm, friendly and made me feel a part of the group. For people
> who are younger, an ARSC facebook page goes a long way to doing that
> same thing. Steve, I'm totally in your camp. I would rather live in the
> world that I grew up in, without all of this computer driven social
> media "crap". But this is the world we live in. You have the chance to
> become "facebook friends" with someone younger you can inspire. A
> portion of their world includes social media and they might never
> connect with you without something like facebook. You have the chance to
> effect young people you would never have the chance to connect with, if
> it wasn't for something like facebook. I can see someone new to ARSC
> becoming your facebook friend, then asking you a question directly
> because they were not confident enough to post the question for all to
> see on the ARSC list-serve. You could encourage them to post their
> question to the list-serve so that others could benefit by their
> question and explain that you have their back, in case someone made a
> derogatory comment on their post.
>
> In my world, I plan to be doing what I do for the next 10-15 years, then
> I'm done. I love teaching young people how to work with other media
> formats besides motion picture film. If students who work at my place
> can take with them the unique intricacies and challenges of preserving
> analog audio formats, they pick up skills and knowledge which gives them
> an appreciation of the medium. They might even play an important role in
> helping to preserve a piece of audio history in the future. I think this
> is one of the goals that ARSC is ultimately all about. I think that
> facebook might help bridge that gap between the "old school people" and
> future generations that we pass our knowledge on to.
>
> From one of the members who loves the "old school" and is trying my
> best to assimilate with the "new school" as best I can.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> John Schroth
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> On 9/15/2018 8:15 PM, Richard L. Hess wrote:
> Hi, Steve,
>
> I understand your concerns about Facebook, but, as I think I stated
> previously, there is a whole group of people who, for whatever
> reasons, aren't on the ARSC List. Hopefully some of us who do take
> part in the ARSC Facebook presence, should it come to pass, will be
> able to reach those people and perhaps bring them into the fold of
> ARSCLIST as well for the more complete answer.
>
> It is organizational outreach, and I am as guilty as the next person
> of limiting my organizational involvement based on attempting to
> balance my priorities.
>
> I try to give in some way or the other to both ARSC and AES, as well
> as the audio archiving community in general.
>
> Every pathway is imperfect, we must try to make use of pathways that
> can reach the most people.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Richard
>
>
>
>
> On 2018-09-15 7:47 PM, Steven Smolian wrote:
> Speaking (well,  typing) for myself, I fear the loss of the ARSC list
> participants' cumulated skills and knowledge if we allow a facebook
> presence with our imprimatur lacking some of these participants.
> Incomplete info in often leads to misinformation out.  Willfully
> ignoring the path to otherwise available information by taking an
> easier route that potentially avoids some of it- well, there are
> enough examples of that in daily life.  It's why we have  refereed
> journals.
>
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