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Hi Ben, There seems to be a bit of confusion. As Dennis Rooney pointed out, the first pressings of Victor M-127, the 78-rpm issue of Stokowski's recording of Gurrelieder, were made not with standard shellac, but with the Victrolac compound (with the standard scroll labels). I own one. If your discs play at 78 rpm, that is what you have, too. All subsequent pressings of M-127 were made of standard shellac. The version of Gurrelieder issued on the 33-1/3 rpm Program Transcription discs in set LM-127 were also made of Victrolac, but as Rich Kaplan said, that is a separate (and very scarce) set. Don Tait -----Original Message----- From: 6295LARGE <[log in to unmask]> To: ARSCLIST <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Thu, Sep 20, 2018 12:03 pm Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Shoenberg: Gurrelieder Stokowski vinyl 78 M-127 tracking problems Hi Rich, Thanks for the email, but It's not the Vitrolac. It's M-127 with the scrolled red label. I guess it was made after they invented vinyl, but it's terrible when I try to play it. Regards, Ben On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 3:52 PM Richard Kaplan < [log in to unmask]> wrote: > Hi Ben, > > From what you describe, what you have is almost certainly the Victrolac > "Program Transcription" as Gary describes. How to tell: the album number is > LM-127 as opposed to simply M or DM; and, the discs have a silver label as > opposed to the standard red label for 78s. These are not "78s" at all, but > early long-play discs that were cut at 33.3. The set is quite rare. > > As for tracking, the grooves are narrower than those of regular 78s; my > copy also mistracks with a standard 78 stylus. Mark Obert-Thorn recommends > a 2.0 mil stylus. > > Rich Kaplan > > In a message dated 9/19/2018 2:34:11 PM Central Standard Time, > [log in to unmask] writes: > > > Hi Ben, > > I should have read your first sentence more carefully. What you describe > as vinyl is actually Victrolac, a "thermoplastic resin" that Victor > developed for the long-playing Program Transcriptions. There was quite a > bit of discussion a few weeks back about Victrolac on this list. > > Is the stylus picking up any dirt? Dennis Rooney described a problem with > Victrolac records oozing sticky gook into the grooves. Perhaps he can > respond and refresh our memories on this. > > Gary > > ____________________________ > > Gary Galo > Audio Engineer Emeritus > The Crane School of Music > SUNY at Potsdam, NY 13676 > > "Great art presupposes the alert mind of the educated listener." > Arnold Schoenberg > > "A true artist doesn't want to be admired, he wants to be believed." > Igor Markevitch > > "If you design an audio system based on the premise that nothing is > audible, > on that system nothing will be audible." > G. Galo > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List [mailto: > [log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of 6295LARGE > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 3:26 PM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Shoenberg: Gurrelieder Stokowski vinyl 78 M-127 > tracking problems > > Hi Gary, > > I never heard of Victrolac. > I'm sure the record is clean, because I just cleaned it. > I cleaned it with "PURE 2 - Professional record cleaner from by "Nitty > Gritty" > > I has the scroll label and it feels like vinyl. Is it not vinyl? > > Regards, > Ben > > > > > On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 3:17 PM Gary A. Galo <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > Hi Ben, > > > > Is this a Victrolac pressing with scroll labels, or regular shellac? My > > Victrolac copy has a lot of crud in the grooves, a problem with that > > material that was mentioned a few weeks back on this list. If this is the > > case, the records need a good cleaning. > > > > I also had, at one time, a post-war shellac pressing with RCA Victor > > labels, and a banner-style cover on the album. I've used a 2.5 mil TE on > > both sets without problems. > > > > Best, > > Gary > > > > ____________________________ > > > > Gary Galo > > Audio Engineer Emeritus > > The Crane School of Music > > SUNY at Potsdam, NY 13676 > > > > "Great art presupposes the alert mind of the educated listener." > > Arnold Schoenberg > > > > "A true artist doesn't want to be admired, he wants to be believed." > > Igor Markevitch > > > > "If you design an audio system based on the premise that nothing is > > audible, > > on that system nothing will be audible." > > G. Galo > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List [mailto: > > [log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of 6295LARGE > > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 3:07 PM > > To: [log in to unmask] > > Subject: [ARSCLIST] Shoenberg: Gurrelieder Stokowski vinyl 78 M-127 > > tracking problems > > > > Hello everyone > > > > I never thought I'd have tracking problems with these beautiful vinyl > 78s, > > but i do. > > I know they've been reissued on LP and CD, but, strange as it may seem, I > > need to have the 78's for transferring purposes. > > The styli are jumping. I've even tried with a .7 mil stylus just to see > if > > it would track better. > > I tried playing the records at 45 and 33, but the styli keep jumping > > forward. It looks as though the grooves are jerky while the records look > > brand new. > > > > Has anyone ever come across this problem? > > > > Regards, > > Ben Roth > > PLEASE respond to [log in to unmask] > > > > Thanks! > > >