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... is *now* pretty wide open ..

Sorry

Stephen

On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 1:10 PM Stephen Hearn <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Quoting from a November 20, 2017 note from Dave Reser to the PCC list:
>
> As indicated in LC-PCC PS for 9.19.1.1:
>
> “On rare occasions, a person requests that the formulation of their
> authorized access point be changed (e.g., to remove a date of birth or a
> fuller form of name). LC and PCC should attempt to honor such requests by
> changing the appropriate fields in the record, and indicate in a note that
> the person's preference has been followed.”
>
>
>
> The mention of “appropriate fields” is intentional, as removing the date
> (etc.) from a heading alone does not usually satisfy the request. I
> recommend a 667 note to document this as well, in hopes of catching a
> cataloger’s eye.
>
> So I don't thing using the date anyway is a good solution. If the person
> is making the request, the date information should be thoroughly removed
> from the LCNAF record.
>
> Note that RDA 9.19.1.8 is not pretty wide open in terms of what
> parenthetical qualifiers can be added to an authorized name access point to
> differentiate it. If you add "... $c (Ph. D.)", I think that would not
> require that the added term be from usage as 1.19.1.7 would for "..., $c
> Ph. D." Or (.... $c (Author of [title]), or some other expedient. But not
> the date.
>
> Stephen
>
> On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 12:50 PM Young,William C <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
>> I have been known to tell our faculty “Sorry, the rules don’t really give
>> me that option, what I need is _____”.
>>
>>
>>
>> If pressed I can cite the rules, but frankly, no one has ever pushed me
>> on it very hard.
>>
>>
>>
>> -          Hank
>>
>>
>>
>> William C. (Hank) Young
>>
>> CONSER Coordinator
>>
>> George A. Smathers Libraries
>>
>> University of Florida
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto:
>> [log in to unmask]] *On Behalf Of *Sapon-White, Richard
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 09, 2018 1:26 PM
>> *To:* [log in to unmask]
>> *Subject:* [PCCLIST] Adding Ph.D. to authority record for an author
>>
>>
>>
>> An author of a dissertation at our institution contacted me to ask that
>> we remove his year of birth from the access point for his name on the
>> dissertation’s (and thesis’s) bib records.  If we do that, his name
>> conflicts with another in WorldCat.  I do have his middle initial, but when
>> asked if we could use his middle name to distinguish his name, he gave a
>> long answer why he didn’t want his middle name used.  I asked if he could
>> provide his profession and he refused to give one.  He is in the military
>> and with reference to the above possible additions to his name, he cites
>> his being in the military.  He is okay about us using “Ph. D.” as an
>> addition to his name.
>>
>>
>>
>> I could just go ahead and do that, but I looked at RDA and the relevant
>> LC Policy Statements.  RDA 9.19.1.7, Other Term of Rank, Honour, or Office,
>> specifically states:
>>
>>
>>
>> Include a term indicative of rank, honour, or office if the term appears
>> with the name (see 9.4.1.9
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__access.rdatoolkit.org_document.php-3Fid-3Drdachp9-26target-3Drda9-2D11593-23rda9-2D11593&d=DwMFAg&c=pZJPUDQ3SB9JplYbifm4nt2lEVG5pWx2KikqINpWlZM&r=B8R2bbCC_DV9QGpqWgLBL6x4pN5m1ouGjVJXrYP-cIg&m=EnXNiC1Ed_mU5iBpTSww4A2qPv2DgQ1f07ZzvBHpJOk&s=ko86IFC3hO8RyuNOcUAB9U0jd45HCEG1ond97n-oZWY&e=>)
>> and if needed to distinguish one authorized access point from another.
>> Include this element when the person's date of birth or date of death is
>> not available (see 9.19.1.3
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__access.rdatoolkit.org_document.php-3Fid-3Drdachp9-26target-3Drda9-2D5621-23rda9-2D5621&d=DwMFAg&c=pZJPUDQ3SB9JplYbifm4nt2lEVG5pWx2KikqINpWlZM&r=B8R2bbCC_DV9QGpqWgLBL6x4pN5m1ouGjVJXrYP-cIg&m=EnXNiC1Ed_mU5iBpTSww4A2qPv2DgQ1f07ZzvBHpJOk&s=Z5DUigSJJe-Bf9IJLFm-MFXOBwetcZ07gec4RhCOB1s&e=>
>> ).
>>
>>
>>
>> “Ph. D.” is given as an example of such a term.  Of the 3 conditions
>> specified in the rule, only the need to distinguish from another authorized
>> access point is me. None of his 3 publications (thesis, dissertation, and a
>> journal article) use Ph. D. after his name, although it is obvious from the
>> dissertation that he has the degree.  His birth date is available, so the 3
>> rd condition in the rule is not met – that is how this situation began.
>>
>>
>>
>> Is this the point where cataloger’s judgment kicks in?  Should I not be a
>> stickler for rules and just drop his birth date and add the Ph. D.?  I
>> intend to create an authority record in addition to changing the access
>> points on the bib records.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for your input.
>>
>>
>>
>> Richard
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Richard E. Sapon-White, Head
>>
>> Cataloging and Metadata Services
>>
>> Oregon State University Libraries
>>
>> 121 Valley Library
>>
>> Corvallis, OR  97331-4501
>>
>> 541-737-7319 (voice)
>>
>> 541-737-8267 (fax)
>>
>> [log in to unmask]
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>
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> Stephen Hearn, Metadata Strategist
> Data Management & Access, University Libraries
> University of Minnesota
> 170A Wilson Library (office)
> 160 Wilson Library (mail)
> 309 19th Avenue South
> Minneapolis, MN 55455
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-- 
Stephen Hearn, Metadata Strategist
Data Management & Access, University Libraries
University of Minnesota
170A Wilson Library (office)
160 Wilson Library (mail)
309 19th Avenue South
Minneapolis, MN 55455
Ph: 612-625-2328
Fx: 612-625-3428
ORCID:  0000-0002-3590-1242