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I used the announcer as a reference for the speed - I have four 16" transcriptions from Brunswick of another show he did and matched the pitch of his voice to that. On Sat, Jan 26, 2019 at 8:09 PM Tim Gillett <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > Randy, I'm not sure which is the correct speed. > > I converted your file to the equivalent of a 33 1/3 playback and it sounded > like it could have been the correct original speed also. > > The difference between 33 1/3 RPM and 32 RPM is less than 4% or less than > one musical semitone. Often, especially with speech, it's not easy to > accurately judge what is the correct speed to that degree of accuracy, > especially if we're not familiar with how those voices sounded in real > life. > > Here in Australia we used to have the PAL analog system of television. It > mean that feature movies watched on tv all were played 4% fast. Often this > wasnt noticed. But sometimes in the movie a well known musical recording was > played (say The Beatles or Presley) and I could usually tell that it was > playing too fast. But once the film reverted to dialogue it was hard to tell > if it was off speed. > > If at all possible it's best to find an objective reference in the disc > itself. We use the likely musical pitch of the instruments played, and any > residual mains hum recorded on the disc. > > Tim Gillett > > Perth, > Western Australia > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Randy A. Riddle" <[log in to unmask]> > To: <[log in to unmask]> > Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 3:48 AM > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] An Odd Radio Transcription > > > >I thought of that, but the bell is larger, more like a ship's bell - > > usually these sales presentation things used something that sounded > > like a note on a toy xylophone. There's no indication that the > > contents are pitched at sales people necessarily. > > > > But the really odd thing is the speed of the disc - all the filmstrip > > records I've run into were 33 1/3. > > > > Randy > > > > On Sat, Jan 26, 2019 at 1:53 PM Mickey Clark <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> > >> Hello Randy - I used to have some discs which were audio to accompany a > >> slide film presentation for automobile sales promotion for Plymouth in > >> about > >> 1938. The bell was used to indicate when to advance the film to the next > >> frame. > >> > >> The content of this indicate possibly some sort of sales training. The > >> Jingle Bells intro presents a Christmas theme. Some of the lines could be > >> used as suggestions for a sales pitch. There was some mention of spending > >> money to be more comfortable etc. Just my 2 cents-Mickey > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Randy A. Riddle > >> Sent: Friday, January 25, 2019 6:39 PM > >> To: [log in to unmask] > >> Subject: [ARSCLIST] An Odd Radio Transcription > >> > >> In a few weeks on my blog, I'm going to be posting a rather odd > >> transcription disc I ran into a few months ago. > >> > >> At least I think it's a transcription disc. > >> > >> It's a ten inch laminated Columbia pressing from Sollie & MacGregor. > >> It's "Coleman Cox", program 11 on one side and program 12 on the > >> other. The matrix numbers are MS-1311 and 1312. The matrix also > >> includes the show title and number and the notations "Time 4:50" and > >> "Time 4:51". > >> > >> Cox was an author from California who published some books in the > >> 1920s. I found him in some radio listings from the NY Times and the > >> LA Times from around 1935 where he's described as a "Philosopher". > >> The shows are odd, in that early to mid-30s kind of way, with Cox just > >> saying some kind of pithy proverbs with a bell sounding after each > >> one. The theme song of the show is "Jingle Bells", oddly enough. > >> Each show runs about five minutes with a proper intro and outro. > >> > >> Sounds normal for a 30's transcription so far, right? > >> > >> Well, here's the weird part - the disc runs at about 32 rpm. If you > >> play it at 33 1/3, it sounds like Mickey Mouse and obviously isn't the > >> right speed. I manually adjusted the speed when I transferred the > >> disc so it sounded right and checked the actual speed with the RPM app > >> on my iPhone. > >> > >> Anyone hear of an odd speed being used on purpose like this in the 30s > >> for transcriptions? Was this some kind of production/mastering error? > >> > >> If this was intentional, perhaps to save on syndicating a five minute > >> show on a ten inch rather than twelve-inch disc, I can't see an odd > >> speed disc like this going over well with station engineers. > >> > >> When I first got the disc and previewed it, noticing I had to really > >> dial down the speed, I thought it might have been mastered at the > >> British Talking Book speed used about that time, but that was 24 rpm, > >> which is much slower than what we have here. > >> > >> Any ideas on this oddity? I've owned a lot of transcriptions over > >> various time periods and never run into an off-speed disc like this. > >> > >> Here's a link to label scans and mp3s of the content if you want to > >> puzzle over it for a bit. > >> > >> https://duke.box.com/s/ioohdj1uiqifk8yfagshphqzesu1o0qy > >> > >> Thanks! > >> > >> Randy > >> > >> -- > >> > >> Randy A. 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