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If all the sources in the 670s call him Clarence Gatemouth Brown and all the radio announcers I’ve heard call him Clarence Gatemouth Brown, why wouldn’t we establish his name that way?

 

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From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Herrold, Charles
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 12:57
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    This is common enough for some musicians.  A case in point:

 

010  n  82061739
040  DLC ǂb eng ǂe rda ǂc DLC ǂd OCl ǂd DLC ǂd SdMadT ǂd DLC
046  ǂf 19240418 ǂg 20050910
1001 Brown, Clarence, ǂd 1924-2005
370  Vinton, La. ǂb Orange, Tex.
374  Blues musicians ǂa Guitarists ǂa Fiddlers ǂ2 lcsh
375  male
4001 Brown, Gatemouth, ǂd 1924-2005
4000 Gatemouth, ǂd 1924-2005
4001 Brown, Clarence Gatemouth, ǂd 1924-2005
670  His The blues ain't nothing [SR] 197-: ǂb label (Clarence "Gatemouth" Brown) container (Gatemouth; b. Apr. 18, 1924)
670  Gate swings [SR] 1997: ǂb label (Clarence Gatemouth Brown)
670  New York times, Sept. 12, 2005 ǂb (Clarence Gatemouth Brown, 81, guitarist and singer; d. Sept. 10, 2005, Orange, Tex.; b. Vinton, La.)
670  Wikipedia, Apr. 29, 2013 ǂb (Clarence "Gatemouth" Brown; born April 18, 1924 in Vinton, La.; died September 10, 2005 in Orange, Tex.; an American musician from Louisiana and Texas. He is best known for his work as a blues musician, but embraced other styles of music, having "spent his career fighting purism by synthesizing old blues, country, jazz, Cajun music and R&B styles" His work also encompasses rock and roll, rock music, folk, electric blues, and Texas blues. He was an  multi-instrumentalist, who played an array of musical instruments such as guitar, fiddle, mandolin, viola as well as harmonica and drums. He won a Grammy Award for Best Traditional Blues Album in 1983 and is regarded as an exponent of blues fiddle and has had influence in American fiddle circles)

 

      Echoing a previous comment, a VAP that includes both the forename and the nickname is completely appropriate in this case.

 

Chuck Herrold

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From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of Kevin M Randall <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 12:49:22 PM
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Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] Establishing person with nickname

 

It all depends on the usage for each name. The main point should be, whatever form there is evidence for, that form should be made into an access point. If a person used the name "First 'Nickname' Last" on resources that they published, or if that form is used in resources about that person, then there *must* be an access point for the form "Last, First 'Nickname'", because that is what a user is going to expect to find. Regardless of whether it's the AAP or a VAP.

 

For the names below, was Ma Barker ever referred to as "Kate 'Ma' Barker", or Jelly Nash as "Frank 'Jelly' Nash"? *If so*, then there should be 400s for those. *Otherwise*, probably not.

 

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From a look at some well known gangster Ma Barker and Jelly Nash are done in slightly different ways: 

 

1001 Nash, Frank, 1887-1933.

4001 Nash, Jelly, 1887-1933.

4001 Harrison, Frank, 1887-1933.

4001 Miller, Frank, 1887-1933.

4001 Miller, George W., 1887-1933. 

 

670  Callahan, C. C. Heritage of an outlaw, c1979 (subj.) ǂb t.p. (Frank Nash) p. 157 (b. 2/6/1887) p. 159 (d. 6/17/33; married wife under name of George W. Miller) p. 58 (used names of Frank Harrison, Frank Miller) passim (known by nickname of Jelly)

 

or 

 

1001 Barker, Ma, 1872-1935.

4001 Barker, Arizona Donnie, 1872-1935.

4001 Barker, Kate, 1872-1935.

400 Ma Barker, 1872-1935.

 

Not sure if either or which are right since I don't do these too often either, but this came to mind.

 

Meagan Kellom

 

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On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 10:53 AM Kevin M Randall <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

If there is any evidence at all that he is sometimes referred to as "Charles 'Bucky' Grimm", then by all means there should be an access point (either AAP or VAP, depending...) in the form "Grimm, Charles 'Bucky'". As a user, I would certainly expect to find the name that way.

 

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From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging <[log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of Salisbury, Preston
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 10:31 AM
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I agree with Richard. I’d put it as:

100 10 Grimm, Buckey

 

400 10 Grimm, Charles

 

With dates accordingly. Unless there’s evidence that he has a preference for one form over the other. Of course, I don’t have the information you have, but from Google, I’d guess that Buckey Grimm is the most commonly known name, which should therefore be the 100.

 

If you have his actual middle name, that could be in a 378 field as well.

 

 

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From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Moore, Richard
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 10:26 AM
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The way you describe is how I’d do it. I’d choose as the 100 whichever form appeared, on the evidence, to be the form by which he was most commonly known.

 

I can remember having discussions about this in the mists of antiquity, but can’t point to a specific instruction. I guess you could say he was known as Charles Grimm, and as Buckey Grimm, but nobody ever really called him Charles “Buckey” Grimm.

 

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Richard

 

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From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging <[log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of Ehlert, Mark K.
Sent: 28 February 2019 16:18
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NACO folks:

 

A question comes to mind as I establish for the first time a personal name with a nickname attached: Charles “Buckey” Grimm.  Looking through the NAF, I find this kind of nickname treated as an alternative first name rather than as a conjured up middle name.  It’s rare I come across a 100 or 400 reading Smith, John “Nickname”.  RDA, the PSs, and the NACO training materials don’t address this matter.

 

Do I follow the precedent set in the NAF as I build out the 100s and 400s in Grimm’s authority record?

 

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