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From a look at some well known gangster Ma Barker and Jelly Nash are done
in slightly different ways:

1001 Nash, Frank, 1887-1933.
4001 Nash, Jelly, 1887-1933.
4001 Harrison, Frank, 1887-1933.
4001 Miller, Frank, 1887-1933.
4001 Miller, George W., 1887-1933.

670  Callahan, C. C. Heritage of an outlaw, c1979 (subj.) ǂb t.p. (Frank
Nash) p. 157 (b. 2/6/1887) p. 159 (d. 6/17/33; married wife under name of
George W. Miller) p. 58 (used names of Frank Harrison, Frank Miller) passim
(known by nickname of Jelly)

or

1001 Barker, Ma, 1872-1935.
4001 Barker, Arizona Donnie, 1872-1935.
4001 Barker, Kate, 1872-1935.
400 Ma Barker, 1872-1935.

Not sure if either or which are right since I don't do these too often
either, but this came to mind.

Meagan Kellom

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On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 10:53 AM Kevin M Randall <[log in to unmask]>
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> If there is any evidence at all that he is sometimes referred to as
> "Charles 'Bucky' Grimm", then by all means there should be an access point
> (either AAP or VAP, depending...) in the form "Grimm, Charles 'Bucky'". As
> a user, I would certainly expect to find the name that way.
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> I agree with Richard. I’d put it as:
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> 100 10 Grimm, Buckey
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> 400 10 Grimm, Charles
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> With dates accordingly. Unless there’s evidence that he has a preference
> for one form over the other. Of course, I don’t have the information you
> have, but from Google, I’d guess that Buckey Grimm is the most commonly
> known name, which should therefore be the 100.
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> If you have his actual middle name, that could be in a 378 field as well.
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> The way you describe is how I’d do it. I’d choose as the 100 whichever
> form appeared, on the evidence, to be the form by which he was most
> commonly known.
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> I can remember having discussions about this in the mists of antiquity,
> but can’t point to a specific instruction. I guess you could say he was
> known as Charles Grimm, and as Buckey Grimm, but nobody ever really called
> him Charles “Buckey” Grimm.
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> A question comes to mind as I establish for the first time a personal name
> with a nickname attached: Charles “Buckey” Grimm.  Looking through the NAF,
> I find this kind of nickname treated as an alternative first name rather
> than as a conjured up middle name.  It’s rare I come across a 100 or 400
> reading *Smith, John “Nickname”*.  RDA, the PSs, and the NACO training
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> Do I follow the precedent set in the NAF as I build out the 100s and 400s
> in Grimm’s authority record?
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