From a look at some well known gangster Ma Barker and Jelly Nash are done in slightly different ways: 

1001 Nash, Frank, 1887-1933.
4001 Nash, Jelly, 1887-1933.
4001 Harrison, Frank, 1887-1933.
4001 Miller, Frank, 1887-1933.
4001 Miller, George W., 1887-1933. 

670  Callahan, C. C. Heritage of an outlaw, c1979 (subj.) ǂb t.p. (Frank Nash) p. 157 (b. 2/6/1887) p. 159 (d. 6/17/33; married wife under name of George W. Miller) p. 58 (used names of Frank Harrison, Frank Miller) passim (known by nickname of Jelly)


1001 Barker, Ma, 1872-1935.
4001 Barker, Arizona Donnie, 1872-1935.
4001 Barker, Kate, 1872-1935.
400 Ma Barker, 1872-1935.

Not sure if either or which are right since I don't do these too often either, but this came to mind.

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On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 10:53 AM Kevin M Randall <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

If there is any evidence at all that he is sometimes referred to as "Charles 'Bucky' Grimm", then by all means there should be an access point (either AAP or VAP, depending...) in the form "Grimm, Charles 'Bucky'". As a user, I would certainly expect to find the name that way.


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I agree with Richard. I’d put it as:

100 10 Grimm, Buckey


400 10 Grimm, Charles


With dates accordingly. Unless there’s evidence that he has a preference for one form over the other. Of course, I don’t have the information you have, but from Google, I’d guess that Buckey Grimm is the most commonly known name, which should therefore be the 100.


If you have his actual middle name, that could be in a 378 field as well.



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The way you describe is how I’d do it. I’d choose as the 100 whichever form appeared, on the evidence, to be the form by which he was most commonly known.


I can remember having discussions about this in the mists of antiquity, but can’t point to a specific instruction. I guess you could say he was known as Charles Grimm, and as Buckey Grimm, but nobody ever really called him Charles “Buckey” Grimm.






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NACO folks:


A question comes to mind as I establish for the first time a personal name with a nickname attached: Charles “Buckey” Grimm.  Looking through the NAF, I find this kind of nickname treated as an alternative first name rather than as a conjured up middle name.  It’s rare I come across a 100 or 400 reading Smith, John “Nickname”.  RDA, the PSs, and the NACO training materials don’t address this matter.


Do I follow the precedent set in the NAF as I build out the 100s and 400s in Grimm’s authority record?



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