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I purposely did not mention those RCA.pre-grooved discs as they did not have professional application and would have been unavailable in Europe. DDR On Sun, Apr 14, 2019 at 4:33 PM Mickey Clark <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Dennis - Actually, this is not true. Victor introduced pre-grooved > recording > blanks by 1931. They were a plastic-like material - I used to have some of > them. The modulations were not cut but stretched into the record. I > understand they were self-erasing - I guess due to memory in the material > itself.-Mickey Clark > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dennis Rooney > Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2019 12:26 PM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Rudolf Steiner > > Except for the wax cylinder, there was no instantaneous recording medium > before aluminum discs were introduced in the late twenties (well after > 1925). Their acceptance was limited due to their heavy surface noise. > Cellulose (later Acetate) Lacquer flowed onto aluminum discs was the first > instantaneous medium to find acceptance in recording and broadcasting > entities, but they were not in use until 1934-35. > > DDR > > On Sun, Apr 14, 2019 at 8:25 AM Railroads On Parade < > [log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > None of these observations and input escape me or the members of the New > > York State Public Library and the Anthroposophical Society as well as Ann > > Arbor Waldorf Library where I've been researching different avenues of > > study concerning this disc. > > The one that I could use help with is the history of electric recording > > devices, those transcription machines that record on acetate and the > years > > of availability of these machines. To absolutely nullify the possibility > > of an acetate recorded say after 1920 and before Rudolf Steiner's sudden > > death in 1925 would do the trick remove any doubt of the impossibility it > > is him singing on the disc I found. > > All I need to complete the research is a bonafide conclusion of either > > technological, geographical or organic possibility of whether it is or is > > not the anthroposophist. > > So far no absolute definition has been accomplished. > > GW > > > > On Sun, 14 Apr 2019 at 06:15, George Brock-Nannestad < > > [log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > > > From: Patent Tactics, George Brock-Nannestad > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > Rudolf Steiner, the founder of Anthroposophy, was a universal genius > who > > > tried his hand on many types of expression, and one should not put it > > past > > > him to try to be an ideal interpreter of Lieder. However, the dates in > > the > > > present thread are obviously completely wrong, unless the recordings > are > > > dubbings from acoustic recordings. There would be a much greater chance > > to > > > find him speaking in Archives de la Parole (in the period around 1913), > > in > > > which the broadest spectrum of speakers (from cranks to extreme > > > rationalists) you can imagine are represented. However, Gallica does > not > > > show any entry (yet?). Pathé were providing the technical services. > > > > > > I have had similar difficulties with learning about acoustic records, > > > namely the set of Volf Acoustic Record (electrically recorded, though), > > > which was only available on prescription for therapeutic purposes. Not > > much > > > is available in public. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > George > > > > > > ----- Original meddelelse ----- > > > Fra: "Paul Stamler" <[log in to unmask]> > > > Til: "Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List" < > > > [log in to unmask]> > > > Sendt: søndag, 14. april 2019 02:11:20 > > > Emne: Re: [ARSCLIST] Rudolf Steiner > > > > > > On 4/13/2019 5:51 PM, Railroads On Parade wrote: > > > > I have found the disc of Rudolf Steiner Schubert Winterreise in > Nancy, > > > > France and have it in my possession. I will send a jpeg to Jols. > > > > It seems unlikely a political luminary of union workers (I think I > > have > > > > this correct?) would have been acceptable in Germany 1931. He also > > would > > > > have found published notoriety but we don't find anything except > there > > > was > > > > someone named Stein singing Schubert in Paris. Back where I started > > now > > > > that the singers first name is now out of the question and off the > > table. > > > > It is my feeling this is not Steiner the anthroposophist, but I feel > > > chosen > > > > to prove it one way or the other. So far, there's no proof. > > > > > > At least according to Wikipedia, Steiner the anthroposophist dies in > > 1925. > > > > > > Peace, > > > Paul > > > > > > > GW > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 13 Apr 2019 at 18:15, Dennis Rooney <[log in to unmask] > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> No. WERM listed plenty of minor performers. Clough and Cuming > > certainly > > > >> weren't infallible but they tried hard nonetheless. The question of > > the > > > >> spelling of the first name ought not to perplex anyone familiar with > > the > > > >> recording process at the time, when the artist's name might be > > > self-suplied > > > >> but also might come from the manager or the A&R person at the > > > >> session. > > > >> Mistakes were common and often not corrected. Whether the Schubert > > songs > > > >> seemed likelier to do better in the German market than the > domestic > > > could > > > >> also have influenced the choice. > > > >> > > > >> DDR > > > >> > > > >> On Sat, Apr 13, 2019 at 4:51 PM Railroads On Parade < > > > >> [log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > >> > > > >>> Also, your contention concerning publicity for a dead Rudolf > Steiner > > > >> should > > > >>> consider the addition to this discs in the WERM where not every > > singer > > > >> was > > > >>> entered, only those with notoriety, no? > > > >>> > > > >>> On Sat, 13 Apr 2019 at 16:41, Railroads On Parade < > > > >>> [log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>>> What you have added here is phenomenal. Absolutely impressive. > > > Please > > > >>>> clarify. Is your contention Pathe made a mistake in spelling? A > > > >> French > > > >>>> record company using a German spelling of a common name? Does > this > > > >> mean > > > >>>> the disc was not pressed in France? Why would a German spelling > be > > > >>> chosen > > > >>>> over a French one of that name? And on 2 separate discs such a > > > >> mistake? > > > >>>> Something is not right. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> On Sat, 13 Apr 2019 at 16:00, Jolyon S Hudson <[log in to unmask] > > > > > >>> wrote: > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> Sure, you can find him noted in the large advert at the foot of > > > >>>>> the > > > >> page > > > >>>>> for 'Une Grande Fete Syndicale Franco-Espagnole' > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k46984136 > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> I'm sure the Pathé Supplements that the records was first > > advertised > > > >> in > > > >>>>> might have some biog but I don't have these handy - There is > > nothing > > > >>> else I > > > >>>>> can find - although I admit I haven't looked too hard due to a > > > >>>>> spot > > > of > > > >>>>> gardening, hoovering [vacuuming] and general weekend stuff. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Jols > > > >>>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> -- > > > >> 1006 Langer Way > > > >> Delray Beach, FL 33483 > > > >> 561.265.2976 > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > > > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > > > > > > -- > 1006 Langer Way > Delray Beach, FL 33483 > 561.265.2976 > -- 1006 Langer Way Delray Beach, FL 33483 561.265.2976