Do we know for certain that NZ don’t have a heading in one of their own databases, with which this conflicts? I was always under the impression that additions could be made for domestic conflicts as well as for conflicts within LC/NAF. I think that once legal data is added to a heading, even if it is of debatable necessity, it compounds the problem for everyone’s file maintenance if people start taking the data off again. I’ve always told people in my team “well it’s done now, so leave alone”. Regards Richard ________________________ Richard Moore Authority Control Team Manager The British Library Tel.: +44 (0)1937 546104 E-mail: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging <[log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of Herrold, Charles Sent: 08 April 2019 17:19 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] Heading "Arnold, Malcolm" Well, I hope the dates go away, because there are 159 name-title records that have not been "corrected"! If I read the timestamps correctly, LC removed the date within a couple of weeks of the change, at the end of February, but the New Zealand folks went back in in late March to restore their version. I think someone at LC ought to send a cease-and-desist order to Wellington. Chuck Herrold Carnegie Library of Pittsburgh ________________________________ From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> on behalf of Hostage, John <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> Sent: Monday, April 8, 2019 12:01:40 PM To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] Heading "Arnold, Malcolm" This is a recurring problem in the NAF, where dates are added to a name even though there is no need to do so under current policies. That can cause unnecessary bib maintenance, but on the other hand, unqualified personal names can be a real pain in authority control as well. The changes to Arnold seem to have been sparked when Arnold, M. ǂq (Malcolm) was established. It had a 400 which was creating a conflict. LC resolved that conflict in the standard way by adding an occupation, so now the composer doesn’t need the dates in the heading. ------------------------------------------ John Hostage Senior Continuing Resources Cataloger Harvard Library--Information and Technical Services Langdell Hall 194 Harvard Law School Library Cambridge, MA 02138 [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> +(1)(617) 495-3974 (voice) +(1)(617) 496-4409 (fax) ISNI 0000 0000 4028 0917 From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Ehlert, Mark K. Sent: Monday, April 08, 2019 11:42 To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: [PCCLIST] Heading "Arnold, Malcolm" PCCLIST: The 100 field heading for Malcolm Arnold (n 79140955) has seen its $d come and go over the past few weeks. Will there be a final decision on the matter, considering there are plenty of name-title headings that may or may not need attention as well? -- Mark K. 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