Speaking only for myself, I was not engaging in recrimination, nor "needless complaining." As a music cataloger, this hit a nerve. Some of you don't have to deal with very large files of name-title records. As for the 667, music catalogers have been very liberal in the use of that field to explain their actions; while such explanations usually involve a choice of title, medium of performance, etc., I'm sure I have seen ruminations on the name itself. Chuck Herrold ________________________________ From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of Robert Maxwell <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2019 3:42:34 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] Heading "Arnold, Malcolm" Thinking about this conversation the last couple of days, a few legitimate reasons were given why the form in Arnold’s 1XX might have been changed. It turns out they weren’t applicable in this case, but there are in fact cases where it’s not at all obvious why a 1XX form was changed, occasionally leading to heated discussions and recriminations. I wonder if it might not be a good idea to have a field where the cataloger making a change could explain why the change was made. I know NACO has not done this until now, but it might forestall needless speculation and complaining. Possibly 667? For example 667 Authorized access point changed from A to B because of unresolvable conflict in XYZ database. Or whatever the reason. 667 has been available all along for this sort of thing but NACO policies have discouraged (if not forbidden) notes explaining a cataloger’s reasoning for making a choice such as changing a 1XX, or for that matter, the choice of form when the entity is first established. Bob Robert L. Maxwell Ancient Languages and Special Collections Librarian 6728 Harold B. Lee Library Brigham Young University Provo, UT 84602 (801)422-5568 From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging <[log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of Frank, Paul Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2019 1:12 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Heading "Arnold, Malcolm" Hi everyone, I just removed the dates from the authorized access point for the composer Malcolm Arnold (LCCN n 79140955). The updated NAR is in distribution. And now that OCLC is current with the loading of NACO files (thanks, Cynthia and colleagues!), the updated NAR should be reflected in OCLC by tomorrow. The perception of an editing war involving the authority record for the composer and the authority record for the gastroenterologist may have actually been an unfortunate side-effect of the delay in NACO loading over the last couple of weeks. Thanks, everyone, Paul Paul Frank Coordinator, NACO and SACO Programs Library of Congress 202-707-1570 [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> [Email-LOC-logo] From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> On Behalf Of Herrold, Charles Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2019 8:19 AM To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] Heading "Arnold, Malcolm" Here is the record that triggered this unfortunate revision: 010 no2019023922 040 Nz ǂb eng ǂe rda ǂc Nz 1001 Arnold, M. ǂq (Malcolm) 370 ǂe Hawke's Bay (N.Z.) ǂ2 naf 373 New Zealand Society of Gastroenterology ǂ2 naf 374 Gastroenterologists ǂ2 lcsh 377 eng 378 ǂq Malcolm 4001 Arnold, Malcolm 670 A critical analysis of the gastroenterology specialist workforce in New Zealand, 2018: ǂb title page (M. Arnold, FRACP) page 10 (Dr Malcolm Arnold, FRCP, FRACP, gastroenterologist (Hawkes Bay), President elect NZSG [New Zealand Society of Gastroenterology]) LC has subsequently changed that 400 to Arnold, Malcolm ǂc (Gastroenterologist) I think there was an obligation to find a suitable qualifier, not an onerous task given RDA's flexibility on that point. Searching Arnold, Malcolm in the NZ OPAC this morning retrieves the form without dates. My point is worth making again: there are 159 name-title records for the composer, and every one of those will have to be revised if NZ's change is allowed to stand. That's what I call really compounding everyone's file maintenance. I hope LC's music catalogers are following this discussion. (I will make sure they know.) Chuck Herrold ________________________________ From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> on behalf of Moore, Richard <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2019 2:01:29 AM To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] Heading "Arnold, Malcolm" Do we know for certain that NZ don’t have a heading in one of their own databases, with which this conflicts? I was always under the impression that additions could be made for domestic conflicts as well as for conflicts within LC/NAF. I think that once legal data is added to a heading, even if it is of debatable necessity, it compounds the problem for everyone’s file maintenance if people start taking the data off again. I’ve always told people in my team “well it’s done now, so leave alone”. Regards Richard ________________________ Richard Moore Authority Control Team Manager The British Library Tel.: +44 (0)1937 546104 E-mail: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> On Behalf Of Herrold, Charles Sent: 08 April 2019 17:19 To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] Heading "Arnold, Malcolm" Well, I hope the dates go away, because there are 159 name-title records that have not been "corrected"! If I read the timestamps correctly, LC removed the date within a couple of weeks of the change, at the end of February, but the New Zealand folks went back in in late March to restore their version. I think someone at LC ought to send a cease-and-desist order to Wellington. Chuck Herrold Carnegie Library of Pittsburgh ________________________________ From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> on behalf of Hostage, John <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> Sent: Monday, April 8, 2019 12:01:40 PM To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] Heading "Arnold, Malcolm" This is a recurring problem in the NAF, where dates are added to a name even though there is no need to do so under current policies. That can cause unnecessary bib maintenance, but on the other hand, unqualified personal names can be a real pain in authority control as well. The changes to Arnold seem to have been sparked when Arnold, M. ǂq (Malcolm) was established. It had a 400 which was creating a conflict. LC resolved that conflict in the standard way by adding an occupation, so now the composer doesn’t need the dates in the heading. ------------------------------------------ John Hostage Senior Continuing Resources Cataloger Harvard Library--Information and Technical Services Langdell Hall 194 Harvard Law School Library Cambridge, MA 02138 [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> +(1)(617) 495-3974 (voice) +(1)(617) 496-4409 (fax) ISNI 0000 0000 4028 0917 From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Ehlert, Mark K. Sent: Monday, April 08, 2019 11:42 To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: [PCCLIST] Heading "Arnold, Malcolm" PCCLIST: The 100 field heading for Malcolm Arnold (n 79140955) has seen its $d come and go over the past few weeks. Will there be a final decision on the matter, considering there are plenty of name-title headings that may or may not need attention as well? -- Mark K. 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