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My understanding has been that when a library changes an existing heading, that library is responsible for also revising all authorities built on that heading, e.g., name/title authorities built on a name AAP. As Charles Herrold pointed out, in the Arnold case there were 159 of them. Numbers like that can be a strong motivator to look for ways to deal with conflicts other than changing an existing heading. Stephen On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 2:28 PM Holden, Christopher <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > It’s worth noting that Malcolm Arnold the gastroenterologist has a > publicly available date of birth (http://agw2019.org.au/malcolm-arnold/). There > have been enough recent edits that I’m not going to personally jump into > the fray, but I wanted to leave that information here for any enterprising > NACO member who wanted to disambiguate once and for all. > > > > Opinions are my own, > > Chris > > > > *From:* Program for Cooperative Cataloging <[log in to unmask]> *On > Behalf Of *Frank, Paul > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 09, 2019 3:12 PM > *To:* [log in to unmask] > *Subject:* Re: [PCCLIST] Heading "Arnold, Malcolm" > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > I just removed the dates from the authorized access point for the composer > Malcolm Arnold (LCCN n 79140955). The updated NAR is in distribution. And > now that OCLC is current with the loading of NACO files (thanks, Cynthia > and colleagues!), the updated NAR should be reflected in OCLC by tomorrow. > > > > The perception of an editing war involving the authority record for the > composer and the authority record for the gastroenterologist may have > actually been an unfortunate side-effect of the delay in NACO loading over > the last couple of weeks. > > > > Thanks, everyone, > > > > Paul > > > > *Paul Frank* > > *Coordinator, NACO and SACO Programs* > > Library of Congress > > 202-707-1570 > > [log in to unmask] > > > > [image: Email-LOC-logo] > > > > > > > > > > > > *From:* Program for Cooperative Cataloging <[log in to unmask]> *On > Behalf Of *Herrold, Charles > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 09, 2019 8:19 AM > *To:* [log in to unmask] > *Subject:* Re: [PCCLIST] Heading "Arnold, Malcolm" > > > > Here is the record that triggered this unfortunate revision: > > > > 010 no2019023922 > 040 Nz ǂb eng ǂe rda ǂc Nz > 1001 Arnold, M. ǂq (Malcolm) > 370 ǂe Hawke's Bay (N.Z.) ǂ2 naf > 373 New Zealand Society of Gastroenterology ǂ2 naf > 374 Gastroenterologists ǂ2 lcsh > 377 eng > 378 ǂq Malcolm > *4001 Arnold, Malcolm* > 670 A critical analysis of the gastroenterology specialist workforce in > New Zealand, 2018: ǂb title page (M. Arnold, FRACP) page 10 (Dr Malcolm > Arnold, FRCP, FRACP, gastroenterologist (Hawkes Bay), President elect NZSG > [New Zealand Society of Gastroenterology]) > > > > LC has subsequently changed that 400 to Arnold, Malcolm *ǂc > (Gastroenterologist)* > > > > > > I think there was an obligation to find a suitable qualifier, not an > onerous task given RDA's flexibility on that point. Searching Arnold, > Malcolm in the NZ OPAC this morning retrieves the form without dates. *My > point is worth making again: there are 159 name-title records for the > composer, and every one of those will have to be revised if NZ's change is > allowed to stand. *That's what I call really compounding everyone's file > maintenance. I hope LC's music catalogers are following this discussion. > (I will make sure they know.) > > > > Chuck Herrold > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Program for Cooperative Cataloging <[log in to unmask]> on > behalf of Moore, Richard <[log in to unmask]> > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 9, 2019 2:01:29 AM > *To:* [log in to unmask] > *Subject:* Re: [PCCLIST] Heading "Arnold, Malcolm" > > > > Do we know for certain that NZ don’t have a heading in one of their own > databases, with which this conflicts? I was always under the impression > that additions could be made for domestic conflicts as well as for > conflicts within LC/NAF. > > > > I think that once legal data is added to a heading, even if it is of > debatable necessity, it compounds the problem for everyone’s file > maintenance if people start taking the data off again. I’ve always told > people in my team “well it’s done now, so leave alone”. > > > > > > Regards > > Richard > > > > ________________________ > > Richard Moore > > Authority Control Team Manager > > The British Library > > > > Tel.: +44 (0)1937 546104 > > E-mail: [log in to unmask] > > > > > > > > *From:* Program for Cooperative Cataloging <[log in to unmask]> *On > Behalf Of *Herrold, Charles > *Sent:* 08 April 2019 17:19 > *To:* [log in to unmask] > *Subject:* Re: [PCCLIST] Heading "Arnold, Malcolm" > > > > Well, I hope the dates go away, because there are 159 name-title > records that have not been "corrected"! If I read the timestamps > correctly, LC removed the date within a couple of weeks of the change, at > the end of February, but the New Zealand folks went back in in late March > to restore their version. I think someone at LC ought to send a > cease-and-desist order to Wellington. > > Chuck Herrold > > Carnegie Library of Pittsburgh > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Program for Cooperative Cataloging <[log in to unmask]> on > behalf of Hostage, John <[log in to unmask]> > *Sent:* Monday, April 8, 2019 12:01:40 PM > *To:* [log in to unmask] > *Subject:* Re: [PCCLIST] Heading "Arnold, Malcolm" > > > > This is a recurring problem in the NAF, where dates are added to a name > even though there is no need to do so under current policies. That can > cause unnecessary bib maintenance, but on the other hand, unqualified > personal names can be a real pain in authority control as well. > > > > The changes to Arnold seem to have been sparked when Arnold, M. ǂq > (Malcolm) was established. It had a 400 which was creating a conflict. LC > resolved that conflict in the standard way by adding an occupation, so now > the composer doesn’t need the dates in the heading. > > > > ------------------------------------------ > > John Hostage > > Senior Continuing Resources Cataloger > > Harvard Library--Information and Technical Services > > Langdell Hall 194 > > Harvard Law School Library > > Cambridge, MA 02138 > > [log in to unmask] > > +(1)(617) 495-3974 (voice) > > +(1)(617) 496-4409 (fax) > ISNI 0000 0000 4028 0917 > > > > *From:* Program for Cooperative Cataloging [ > mailto:[log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>] *On Behalf Of > *Ehlert, Mark K. > *Sent:* Monday, April 08, 2019 11:42 > *To:* [log in to unmask] > *Subject:* [PCCLIST] Heading "Arnold, Malcolm" > > > > PCCLIST: > > > > The 100 field heading for Malcolm Arnold (n 79140955) has seen its $d > come and go over the past few weeks. Will there be a final decision on the > matter, considering there are plenty of name-title headings that may or may > not need attention as well? > > > > -- > > Mark K. 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