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Today's information environment is all about data manipulation and metadata across many levels. It isn't about just the 'catalog' and 'cataloging' in the library, which is what I suspect some of your colleague may be thinking. Old mentality.  Have to think two-steps ahead.  I've had to go back to school myself just to integrate new ideas into my Info Org classes--otherwise, what's the point?  

If you don't have a core Info Org course then I would say that program has little chance to survive. 

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From: Discussion List for issues related to cataloging & metadata education & training <[log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of Daniel Joudrey
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 12:47 PM
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Subject: [EXT] Re: [eduCAT] Organization of Information course for School Media Students

Yan,

For what it is worth, you can quote me. I think my thoughts are summarized in pages 2-5 of *The Organization of Information*. But, in short, without an understanding of organizing information, we cannot work efficiently and effectively with collections or users. The students will have a diminished understanding of retrieval without Info Org, and that will affect their ability to function in an actual work setting. The other responses by Shawne, Frank, and Kathleen bring out important reasons why this is not a great idea.

This is a terrible position for you and for the students.

Is there any chance the discussion/motion can be tabled until you have time to collect additional information to oppose this proposal?

*Danny*
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On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 1:17 PM Yan Ma <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Dear Danny,
>
> Thank you for your professional statement in support of my and 
> Shawne's response.
>
> May I quote you to share with my faculty members?
>
> How do I or our profession or ALA or someone(s)to convince my faculty 
> that Organization of Information has to be required for ALL students 
> in addition to my voice?
>
> What LIS education will be without any knowledge or skills in 
> Organization of Information?
>
> Best regards,
>
> --Yan
>