Especially for authors who are professional academics (and any others), I routinely check their website either at the affiliated institution or LinkedIn, and try to make sure the 670s have where they got their degrees, and when. The information is almost always readily available, and not only precludes potential problems (people with changed names, people with similar names, change of entry elements as the author moves between countries) but provides additional useful information for any user (since, snobbish as it is, the degree and institution are considered important by many users in evaluating a work). I suggest it is irresponsible not to include such information if it is easy to find, and for most creators it is easy information to locate, and respectfully suggest that getting such basic information, if easy to find, should be made mandatory for anyone doing high quality cataloging.
Aaron Kuperman, LC Law Cataloging Section.
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It is optional, and I don't find fault with any authority records which omit it. It's also useful, and I appreciate the information when it's included.
Stephen
On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 8:35 AM Richard Amelung <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
Optional ? Hmmm With RDA, one is to transcribe in the bib record's statement of responsibility everything that follows the entity's name from the source.
As for the 670 on the authority record, I have generally carried that information over from the bib record. With the automated authority record build software, it just comes over. If one doesn't go that route, the old "copy & paste" means no re-keying. The information also serves to justify any other fields that one cares to populate on the authority record ... i.e., entities that author is associated with, etc.
I suppose the issue of "optional" is that such information is intended to be useful in the case of disambiguation down the road, and consequently is needed rather than being optional. As in, "this fellow has a Ph.D. in French; whereas that fellow with the same name has a Ph. D. in physics." Unlikely that it's the same person. Since it really isn't any more work to include it in the authority record's 670, there really isn't any reason NOT to bring it over.
Ricahrd
Richard C. Amelung, Ph. D., M.A.L.S.
Professor Emeritus of Legal Research
Vincent C. Immel Law Library
Saint Louis University School of Law
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St. Louis, MO 63101-1930
Phone: 314.977.2743
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One final footnote here: I assume that the statement about the Ph. D. in the end is optional additional info.?
Rob
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On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 5:14 PM Charles Croissant <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
I have used this phrase in my 670's: (submitted this work as his (or her, as appropriate) doctoral thesis to <Name of University> in <Year>)
I think this respects the caution others have expressed; it's a statement of fact, without extrapolating as to whether or not the person actually received their degree - and at the same time it supplies information that is can be very helpful in confirming a person's identity ...
Charles Croissant
Saint Louis University
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It also doesn't have to be about the person. In some cases I note (paraphrasing) that a resource is a Ph.D. dissertation, XXX University, which to me is a fact about the intent of the resource evident from the title page, not about whether a degree was granted to the person.
This also works coming from the other direction. Say I have a source which notes that its person graduated from XXX University in year YYYY, but I want more information for the AAP. Sometimes I find a candidate for that person's dissertation in OCLC. Many dissertations can be viewed online. Recording in a second 670 that a given dissertation bears a version of the name, was produced in the same year at the same institution as my other source reports, and is in the ballpark for that else is known about the person I'm establishing can be pretty good evidence for a fuller form of name found in a public record. Without the information about the institution, degree sought, and year, it's much weaker as evidence; so I generally favor including such information.
Stephen
On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 3:15 PM McDonald, Stephen <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
It doesn’t have to be transcribed; it can be paraphrased, as long as it does not imply information which is not found in the source.
Steve McDonald
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When one finds information like this, one transcribes it. In other words, one shouldn't project the hopeful outcome of a degree in hand. At the time the item was printed, the individual was a Ph. D. candidate. That is the information that should appear in the 670.
Richard
Richard C. Amelung, Ph. D., M.A.L.S.
Professor Emeritus of Legal Research
Vincent C. Immel Law Library
Saint Louis University School of Law
100 N. Tucker Blvd.
St. Louis, MO 63101-1930
Phone: 314.977.2743
Fax: 314.977.3966
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This is undoubtedly an elementary question: when creating a NACO personal name authority record based on a dissertation, should the 670 include the parenthetical statement (Ph. D. candidate, __ University), even though the person received the Ph.D.? If not, what form should the statement take (Ph. D., ___ University?), or be omitted altogether?
Rob
Robert L. Kusmer, Ph.D.
Supervisor, Strategic Resource Discovery Services
German, Humanities and Theology Cataloging Librarian
German Language and Literature Librarian
Hesburgh Libraries
Affiliate, Nanovic Institute for European Studies
University of Notre Dame
Resource Description & Discovery Services
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University of Minnesota
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