Yes - and I can't see a take number. That's the reason for the mistake. How the electric serial got into the stamper I don't know. It's also 9 seconds longer-Mickey -----Original Message----- From: Gary A. Galo Sent: Friday, November 08, 2019 4:25 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] [EXTERNAL] [ARSCLIST] George Gershwin, Second Rhapsody, Serge Koussevitzky, Boston Symphony Orchestra, OK, I downloaded your Dropbox file and I see what's going on here. Side B of your Canadian pressing was pressed from the wrong stamper - they pulled the metal part for the acoustic version, possibly by mistake. What's really strange is that the electric catalog number is also stamped in the run-out space. This is a real oddity. FYI, though you probably already know this: Canadian electric Victors in the mid-late 20s were issued with the bat-wing label They did not use the scroll label. However, the ones I own have a large VE in an ellipse printed on the label, to the left of the spindle hole, and "Orthophonic" printed under the VE. The scan of your acoustic Gershwin side does not have either of these. Are they printed on the label for Side 1? If that's the case, then it sounds like the Canadians intentionally used the acoustic take for Side 2. This is very, very strange. DAHR states that 35822 was "Not Issued." https://adp.library.ucsb.edu/index.php/objects/detail/30382/Victor_35822 Of course it was, as the information listen for each matrix number clearly shows. Best, Gary -----Original Message----- From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Gary A. Galo Sent: Friday, November 08, 2019 6:40 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] [EXTERNAL] [ARSCLIST] George Gershwin, Second Rhapsody, Serge Koussevitzky, Boston Symphony Orchestra, Your email is really confusing. Are you saying that you have a record with the electric on one side and the acoustic on the other? This makes no sense. My copy of the electric - 35822 - is take 6 on Side 1 and take 8 on Side 2. That record is certainly sharp when played at 78.00 RPM. I don't have the original of the Blue Label acoustic version (I wish I did!). I may have completely misinterpreted what you wrote. I don't know what to make of it. Gary -----Original Message----- From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Mickey Clark Sent: Friday, November 08, 2019 5:51 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] [EXTERNAL] [ARSCLIST] George Gershwin, Second Rhapsody, Serge Koussevitzky, Boston Symphony Orchestra, I have a misprint of side B- the pressing of 35822 was coupled with take 6 an the A side (Electric) but no take number on the B side (Acoustic) I see that there were 4 takes done and https://adp.library.ucsb.edu/index.php/matrix/detail/800004310/C-30173-Rhapsody_in_blue It seems that the audio of this is pitched a bit too high. I have posted the audio and label image of the record. It seems that both electric and acoustic had the large label - this one is small - you can download the wave file at the following link. This track is 4:44 and the one at the ADP is 4:32. I just don't know what take I have. enjoy!!-Mickey https://www.dropbox.com/s/0n018lrpkmiw785/55225B%20Whiteman.zip?dl=0 -----Original Message----- From: Gary A. Galo Sent: Friday, November 08, 2019 1:33 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] [EXTERNAL] [ARSCLIST] George Gershwin, Second Rhapsody, Serge Koussevitzky, Boston Symphony Orchestra, Hi Ben, Do you mean of Gershwin playing his own music? Both the 1924 acoustic and 1927 electrical recordings of Rhapsody in Blue, with Whiteman's Orchestra, were issued in this set: https://www.amazon.com/Historic-Gershwin-Various/dp/B00000D9VR It’s long out of print, but there are plenty of used copies available. The electrical recording was conducted by Nat Shilkret, even though his name does not appear on the record. The American in Paris in that set, conducted by Shilkret "features" George Gershwin playing celeste. The transfers were done by Ward Marston, and are very good, with everything pitched correctly (unlike a 2-CD Pearl set of historic Gershwin, in which the two Rhapsody recordings were offered well over 1/4-step apart, on the same CD!!! Decency prevents me from naming the transfer engineer). The Columbia recordings of the 3 Preludes were issued here, along with several other recordings of him playing: https://www.amazon.com/Gershwins-Time-Original-Gershwin-1920-1945/dp/B00000FCKN/ref=pd_sbs_15_t_0/134-4884715-9970267?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B00000FCKN&pd_rd_r=246d5b9a-a910-456f-a0a7-b9ada3b791b6&pd_rd_w=Z9Z3T&pd_rd_wg=xAAKV&pf_rd_p=5cfcfe89-300f-47d2-b1ad-a4e27203a02a&pf_rd_r=XJVHR5FP1ZBYJBFMZRW2&psc=1&refRID=XJVHR5FP1ZBYJBFMZRW2 This CD, from the 1970s, features Gershwin's Duo Art piano roll and Michael Tilson Thomas conducting an ad-hoc ensemble in the original Grofé jazz band orchestration. https://www.amazon.com/Gershwin-Rhapsody-Blue-Masterworks-Expanded/dp/B0001ENYGC/ref=sr_1_4?crid=2RDKRNLS83A4V&keywords=michael+tilson+thomas+gershwin&qid=1573248734&sprefix=gershwin+tilson%2Caps%2C163&sr=8-4 Gershwin's Duo Art roll was of the version for piano alone, but the orchestra parts were edited out of the roll, leaving only the solo part intact, for this recording. Although reproducing piano rolls are often of limited value, this venture is surprisingly successful. And, it's the only way you'll hear Gershwin play the Rhapsody, with jazz band, uncut. Both of the recordings with Whiteman's Orchestra are cut, to fit the piece on two 78-rpm sides. Back in the 1970s Publisher's Central Bureau in Avanel, NJ issued a 3-LP set on the Mark 56 label of live and rehearsal material with Gershwin playing and conducting. The box was titled "George Gershwin Conducts." I believe Mark 56 had previously released this material as 3 separate LPs. I'm sure some of this stuff has been bootlegged on CD, but I don't know where, at this point in time. I hope this is what you're looking for. Best, Gary ____________________________ Gary Galo Audio Engineer Emeritus The Crane School of Music SUNY at Potsdam, NY 13676 "Great art presupposes the alert mind of the educated listener." Arnold Schoenberg "A true artist doesn't want to be admired, he wants to be believed." Igor Markevitch "If you design an audio system based on the premise that nothing is audible, on that system nothing will be audible." G. Galo -----Original Message----- From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of 6295LARGE . Sent: Friday, November 08, 2019 3:28 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: [EXTERNAL] [ARSCLIST] George Gershwin, Second Rhapsody, Serge Koussevitzky, Boston Symphony Orchestra, Hello everyone, Are there any recordings anywhere of George Gershwin <https://www.universitypressscholarship.com/search?f_0=keywords&q_0=George Gershwin>, Second Rhapsody <https://www.universitypressscholarship.com/search?f_0=keywords&q_0=Second Rhapsody>, Serge Koussevitzky <https://www.universitypressscholarship.com/search?f_0=keywords&q_0=Serge Koussevitzky>, Boston Symphony Orchestra? <https://www.universitypressscholarship.com/search?f_0=keywords&q_0=Boston Symphony Orchestra> Regards, Ben Roth