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The final version of the Report of the SAC Working Group on Alternatives to=
 LCSH "Illegal aliens" has been endorsed by SAC (ALCTS's Subject Analysis C=
ommittee) and is now available at: https://alair.ala.org/handle/11213/14582=
. This version is similar to the draft report released at ALA Midwinter 202=
0 with the additions of two appendices: terms from alternate vocabularies a=
nd responses from libraries sharing local solutions, organized by ILS/LSP &=
 discovery layer. The working group is now in the process of collaborating =
with ALCTS to create a website that will act as a clearinghouse for solutio=
ns implemented by libraries, organized by ILS/LSP & discovery layer, so lib=
raries can refer to established documentation to make this change in their =
local catalog/consortium.

Best,


Deborah Tomaras
Metadata and Resource Management Librarian
James A. Cannavino Library
Marist College
3399 North Road
Poughkeepsie, NY  12601
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<span>The final version of the Report of the SAC Working Group on Alternati=
ves to LCSH &quot;Illegal aliens&quot; has been endorsed by SAC (ALCTS's Su=
bject Analysis Committee) and is now available at: https://alair.ala.org/ha=
ndle/11213/14582. This version is similar
 to the draft report released at ALA Midwinter 2020 with the additions of t=
wo appendices: terms from alternate vocabularies and responses from librari=
es sharing local solutions, organized by ILS/LSP &amp; discovery layer. The=
 working group is now in the process
 of collaborating with ALCTS to create a website that will act as a clearin=
ghouse for solutions implemented by libraries, organized by ILS/LSP &amp; d=
iscovery layer, so libraries can refer to established documentation to make=
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***** Posting on behalf of colleagues in the Library of Congress Network De=
velopment and MARC Standards Office *****

Library of Congress June BIBFRAME Update Forum
-Normally held during ALA Annual
Wednesday, June 24, 2020:  11:00 AM ET - 12:00 noon ET (8:00 AM PT - 9:00 A=
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Library of Congress BIBFRAME Update<http://login.icohere.com/COIN?pnum=3DBZ=
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Wednesday, June 24, 2020
11:00 AM - 12:00 noon EDT

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Fortunately, in these chaotic times BIBFRAME development has been able to p=
roceed with little interruption.  In this different presentation format (fo=
r this Forum, but the usual format for everything now) we want to give you =
an update on several key projects.  LD4P and OCLC, with the assistance of M=
ellon grants, have been able to initiate very large new projects that build=
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is moving ahead with new BIBFRAME editor development and with refinement of=
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the BIBFRAME Pilot at the Library.  The Pilot output took a setback with th=
e work-from-home transition but it continues in this new environment.

Join us on Wednesday morning!

BIBFRAME from home
            Beacher Wiggins, Library of Congress
Cataloger's editor
            Matt Miller, Library of Congress
LD4P2, LD4P3, and community
            Philip Schreur, Stanford University
Entities infrastructure
            Chelsea Dalgord, OCLC
BIBFRAME to MARC refined
            Sally McCallum, Library of Congress

The session will be recorded and available for viewing later via a link on =
the BIBFRAME homepage.



Paul Frank
Policy, Training, and Cooperative Programs Division
Library of Congress
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interruption.&nbsp; In this different presentation format (for this Forum, =
but the usual format for everything now)
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, with the assistance of Mellon grants, have been able to initiate very lar=
ge new projects that build on their work over the last few years.&nbsp; Mea=
nwhile the Library of Congress is moving ahead
 with new BIBFRAME editor development and with refinement of the BIBFRAME t=
o MARC conversion programs that are targeted for support of the BIBFRAME Pi=
lot at the Library.&nbsp; The Pilot output took a setback with the work-fro=
m-home transition but it continues in
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<span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;line-height:115%">OCLC<o:p></o:p></span></p=
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Dear PCC participants,

The PCC Operations Committee (OpCo) agenda has been updated with links to a=
ll of the presentations and reports, including webinar recordings, that we =
have received from our presenters to date: https://www.loc.gov/aba/pcc/docu=
ments/OpCo-2020/Agenda-OpCo-2020.pdf

I've also included the links at the end of this message. The newest link is=
 for a pre-recorded talk on "LC-PCC Policy Statements Development" by Melan=
ie Polutta and Paul Frank.

Best wishes,

Manon

*************************************

Introduction<https://youtu.be/TeSXmL9ZOEU> (Jennifer Baxmeyer, Princeton Un=
iversity, PCC Chair) [recording, 2:36]

Standing Committee Updates

=B7       Applications<http://www.loc.gov/aba/pcc/documents/OpCo-2020/SCA-r=
eport-OpCo-2020.pdf> (Lucas Mak, Michigan State University, Chair) [PDF]

=B7       Standards<http://www.loc.gov/aba/pcc/documents/OpCo-2020/SCS-repo=
rt-OpCo-2020.pdf> (Ed Jones, National University, Co-Chair) [PDF]

=B7       Training<http://www.loc.gov/aba/pcc/documents/OpCo-2020/SCT-repor=
t-OpCo-2020.pdf> (Beth Picknally Camden, University of Pennsylvania, Chair)=
 [PDF]

OCLC Update<https://youtu.be/0IeFPdPEU1A> (Robert Bremer and Cynthia Whitac=
re, OCLC) [recording, 35:11]
CONSER/Serials Topics: [link to recording of all CONSER webinar presentatio=
ns, 2 hours total]<http://login.icohere.com/PCC?pnum=3DTFD69794>

=B7       Making 588 Field First Indicators Mandatory in New CONSER Records=
 (Robert Bremer, OCLC), see also: [PowerPoint]<http://www.loc.gov/aba/pcc/d=
ocuments/OpCo-2020/Bremer-588-Field-OpCo-2020.pptx>

=B7       Collapsing Print Serial Records to Maintain 1:1 Correspondence Wi=
th Online Versions (Liz Miraglia, University of California, San Diego)

=B7       Eliminating the Data Gap: CONSER's Critical Role in Shared Print =
(Amy Wood, Center for Research Libraries)

=B7       ISSN Report (Regina Reynolds, U.S. ISSN Center), see also: [Power=
Point]<http://www.loc.gov/aba/pcc/documents/OpCo-2020/Reynolds-ISSN-OpCo-20=
20.pptx>
PCC Guidelines for Minimally-Punctuated MARC Bibliographic Records

=B7       Overview<https://youtu.be/ZlDMb2u5QSw> (Lucas Mak, Michigan State=
 University) [recording, 15:07], see also: [PDF]<http://www.loc.gov/aba/pcc=
/documents/OpCo-2020/Mak-Minimal-Punctuation-OpCo-2020.pdf>

=B7       Considerations for Decision-Making<https://youtu.be/HiOJM-YsZIA> =
(Beth Picknally Camden, University of Pennsylvania) [recording, 21:08]
PCC URIs in MARC Pilot Project

=B7       URIs in MARC Pilot Project and the Authority Toolkit<http://www.l=
oc.gov/aba/pcc/documents/OpCo-2020/Schiff-URIs-in-MARC-Pilot-Project-OpCo-2=
020.pptx> (Adam Schiff, University of Washington) [PowerPoint], see also: [=
PDF with speaker notes]<http://www.loc.gov/aba/pcc/documents/OpCo-2020/Schi=
ff-URIs-in-MARC-Pilot-Project-OpCo-2020.pdf>
PCC Task Group on Metadata Application Profiles<http://www.loc.gov/aba/pcc/=
documents/PCC-TGMAPs-FinalReport-2020-05-01.pdf> (Myung-Ja (MJ) K. Han, Uni=
versity of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, and Jackie Shieh, Smithsonian Libr=
aries) [PDF]
Beta RDA Toolkit Topics

=B7       LC-PCC Policy Statements Development<http://login.icohere.com/PCC=
?pnum=3DPGZ70039> (Melanie Polutta and Paul Frank, Library of Congress) [re=
cording, 35:45], see also: [PowerPoint]<http://www.loc.gov/aba/pcc/document=
s/OpCo-2020/Polutta-Frank-Beta-RDA-OpCo-2020.ppt>

=B7       "This is Not a Pipe," or, Drafting a Set of Display Labels for RD=
A Elements<http://www.loc.gov/aba/pcc/documents/OpCo-2020/Bourassa-RDA-Disp=
lay-Labels-OpCo-2020.pdf> (Dominique Bourassa, Yale University, NARDAC Chai=
r) [PDF]

=B7       String Encoding Schemes: Community Choice in RDA<https://youtu.be=
/ShEmP1b79sI> (Kathy Glennan, University of Maryland, RSC Chair) [recording=
, 21:01], see also: [PowerPoint]<http://www.loc.gov/aba/pcc/documents/OpCo-=
2020/Glennan-SES-OpCo-2020.pptx>
Andrew W. Mellon Foundation Grant-Funded Projects

=B7       OCLC Entity Management Infrastructure<https://youtu.be/-6ES-0xFUL=
o> (John Chapman, OCLC) [recording, 16:51]

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Manon Th=E9roux
Policy, Training, and Cooperative Programs Division
Library of Congress

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Dear PCC participants,=
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">The PCC Operations Com=
mittee (OpCo) agenda has been updated with links to all of the presentation=
s and reports, including webinar recordings, that we have received from our=
 presenters to date:
<a href=3D"https://www.loc.gov/aba/pcc/documents/OpCo-2020/Agenda-OpCo-2020=
.pdf">https://www.loc.gov/aba/pcc/documents/OpCo-2020/Agenda-OpCo-2020.pdf<=
/a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">I&#8217;ve also includ=
ed the links at the end of this message. The newest link is for a pre-recor=
ded talk on &#8220;LC-PCC Policy Statements Development&#8221; by Melanie P=
olutta and Paul Frank.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Best wishes,<o:p></o:p=
></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Manon<o:p></o:p></span=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">**********************=
***************<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a href=3D"https://youtu.be/TeSXmL9ZOEU">Introductio=
n</a> <i>(Jennifer Baxmeyer, Princeton University, PCC Chair)
</i>[recording, 2:36]<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoBodyText" style=3D"margin-top:6.0pt"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">Standing Committee<spa=
n style=3D"letter-spacing:-.25pt"> U</span>pdates<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-right:38.15pt;text-indent:-.2=
5in;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo1;text-autospace:none">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:Symbol"><span style=3D"mso-=
list:Ignore">=B7<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span dir=3D"LTR"></span><a href=3D"http://w=
ww.loc.gov/aba/pcc/documents/OpCo-2020/SCA-report-OpCo-2020.pdf">Applicatio=
ns</a>
<i>(Lucas Mak, <span style=3D"letter-spacing:-.65pt">Michigan State </span>=
<span style=3D"letter-spacing:-.75pt">University,
</span>Chair) </i>[PDF]<i><o:p></o:p></i></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l4 level=
1 lfo1;text-autospace:none">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:Symbol"><span style=3D"mso-=
list:Ignore">=B7<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span dir=3D"LTR"></span><a href=3D"http://w=
ww.loc.gov/aba/pcc/documents/OpCo-2020/SCS-report-OpCo-2020.pdf">Standards<=
/a>
<i>(Ed Jones, National University, Co-Chair) </i>[PDF]<i><o:p></o:p></i></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l4 level=
1 lfo1;text-autospace:none">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:Symbol"><span style=3D"mso-=
list:Ignore">=B7<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span dir=3D"LTR"></span><a href=3D"http://w=
ww.loc.gov/aba/pcc/documents/OpCo-2020/SCT-report-OpCo-2020.pdf">Training</=
a><i> (Beth Picknally Camden, University of Pennsylvania, Chair)
</i>[PDF]<i><o:p></o:p></i></p>
<p class=3D"MsoBodyText" style=3D"margin-top:6.0pt"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"><a href=3D"https://you=
tu.be/0IeFPdPEU1A">OCLC Update</a>
<i>(Robert Bremer and Cynthia Whitacre, OCLC) </i>[recording, 35:11]<o:p></=
o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:6.0pt;margin-right:17.2p=
t;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt">
CONSER/Serials Topics: <a href=3D"http://login.icohere.com/PCC?pnum=3DTFD69=
794">[link to recording of all CONSER webinar presentations, 2 hours total]=
</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level=
1 lfo2;text-autospace:none">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:Symbol"><span style=3D"mso-=
list:Ignore">=B7<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span dir=3D"LTR"></span>Making 588 Field Fi=
rst Indicators Mandatory in New CONSER Records (<i>Robert Bremer, OCLC</i>)=
, see also:
<a href=3D"http://www.loc.gov/aba/pcc/documents/OpCo-2020/Bremer-588-Field-=
OpCo-2020.pptx">
[PowerPoint]</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level=
1 lfo2;text-autospace:none">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:Symbol"><span style=3D"mso-=
list:Ignore">=B7<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span dir=3D"LTR"></span>Collapsing Print Se=
rial Records to Maintain 1:1 Correspondence With Online Versions
<i>(Liz Miraglia, University of California, San Diego)</i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level=
1 lfo2;text-autospace:none">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:Symbol"><span style=3D"mso-=
list:Ignore">=B7<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span dir=3D"LTR"></span>Eliminating the Dat=
a Gap: CONSER's Critical Role in Shared Print<i> (Amy Wood, Center for Rese=
arch Libraries)</i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level=
1 lfo2;text-autospace:none">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:Symbol"><span style=3D"mso-=
list:Ignore">=B7<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span dir=3D"LTR"></span>ISSN Report <i>(Reg=
ina Reynolds, U.S. ISSN Center)</i>, see also:
<a href=3D"http://www.loc.gov/aba/pcc/documents/OpCo-2020/Reynolds-ISSN-OpC=
o-2020.pptx">
[PowerPoint]</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:6.0pt;margin-right:17.2p=
t;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt">
PCC Guidelines for Minimally-Punctuated MARC Bibliographic Records <o:p></o=
:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l2 level=
1 lfo3;text-autospace:none">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:Symbol"><span style=3D"mso-=
list:Ignore">=B7<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span dir=3D"LTR"></span><a href=3D"https://=
youtu.be/ZlDMb2u5QSw">Overview</a> (<i>Lucas Mak, Michigan State University=
)
</i>[recording, 15:07], see also: <a href=3D"http://www.loc.gov/aba/pcc/doc=
uments/OpCo-2020/Mak-Minimal-Punctuation-OpCo-2020.pdf">
[PDF]</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l2 level=
1 lfo3;text-autospace:none">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:Symbol"><span style=3D"mso-=
list:Ignore">=B7<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span dir=3D"LTR"></span><a href=3D"https://=
youtu.be/HiOJM-YsZIA">Considerations for Decision-Making</a> (<i>Beth Pickn=
ally Camden, University of Pennsylvania</i>) [recording, 21:08]<o:p></o:p><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:6.0pt;margin-right:17.2p=
t;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt">
PCC URIs in MARC Pilot Project<o:p></o:p></p>
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Dear Deborah,

Your proposal for Lesbian superheroes should have been approved, because it=
 was based on a work that can be assigned the heading, according to instruc=
tions in SHM H 1790.  We will rekey it, and it will appear on a future list=
 and be approved.

The confusion arose because your proposal also included three citations to =
works about lesbian superheroes in comic books. Those citations were more p=
rominent than the citations to the novels by virtue of their length and the=
 fact that we are on the lookout for superhero proposals based on comic boo=
ks. (The Summary of Decisions for List 2002 explains why we are on the look=
out for those proposals. It is available on our website at https://www.loc.=
gov/aba/pcc/saco/cpsoed/psd-200217.html.)

This should have been a simple proposal to approve, and would have been if =
not for the citations referring to comic books.  In the future, you can hel=
p us approve your fictitious character proposals more readily by refraining=
 from citing comic books or graphic novels, or works about them. We are hum=
an, and as humans we are sometimes led down the wrong path by extraneous in=
formation.

On that note: Being human, we do occasionally make mistakes on proposals, r=
egardless of how careful we are, or how many times we double-check ourselve=
s.  Also as humans, we would prefer to be informed about our mistakes - or =
potential mistakes - privately, instead of publicly on a listserv. Further,=
 neither PCC members nor SACO members made this decision, LC's subject poli=
cy specialists did. Our email addresses are readily available at the top of=
 every tentative list. Please contact us directly if/when you have concerns=
, and we would be happy to address them.

Janis L. Young
Policy, Training, and Cooperative Programs Division
Library of Congress

From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging <[log in to unmask]> On Beha=
lf Of Deborah Tomaras
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 2:22 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: [PCCLIST] Question about H 1790 and Summary of Decisions, Editoria=
l Meeting 2005, May 15, 2020

I have a question pertaining to H1790 and the rejection of a recent subject=
 proposal of mine for "Lesbian superheroes" from the May 2020 tentative lis=
t.

Here was the reason for the rejection, from the most recent Summary of Deci=
sions (https://www.loc.gov/aba/pcc/saco/cpsoed/psd-200515.html):
Lesbian superheroes

                        The work being cataloged is a novel. In the Summary=
 of Decisions for list 2004, the announcement stated that going forward, on=
ly those qualified headings that are necessary for the work being cataloged=
 according to the instructions in the SHM (H 1790 sec. 4) would be consider=
ed. The proposal was not necessary.

The actual text from the Summary of Decisions being cited from February 200=
2 is this:
Going forward, the meeting will consider only those proposals in which the =
work being cataloged should be assigned the heading, according to current r=
ules and guidelines on LCSH assignment as stated in the SHM. If the work be=
ing cataloged would not be assigned the heading, the proposal will be marke=
d not necessary. This is consistent with the practice for all other proposa=
ls for new terminology. (https://www.loc.gov/aba/pcc/saco/cpsoed/psd-200217=
.html)

Since there is no mention of any specific instructions from the Subject Hea=
ding Manual in that statement, I assumed that as long as a proposal was in =
keeping with subject instructions and guidance in general, they were accept=
able.

In this case, I proposed the heading "Lesbian superheroes" based on a ficti=
onal novel. If I look at H1790 section 4, there is this sentence at the hea=
d of the section: "LC practice: Sec. 4, below, describes standard practice =
followed at the Library of Congress. For an alternative approach to individ=
ual works of fiction, see the section SPECIAL PROVISIONS FOR INCREASED SUBJ=
ECT ACCESS TO FICTION at the end of this instruction sheet" (http://www.loc=
.gov/aba/publications/FreeSHM/H1790.pdf<https://nam03.safelinks.protection.=
outlook.com/?url=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.loc.gov%2Faba%2Fpublications%2FFreeSHM%=
2FH1790.pdf&data=3D02%7C01%7Cmmonaco%40UAKRON.EDU%7C9151acc8ecce418ba01208d=
79aa3e6f8%7Ce8575dedd7f94ecea4aa0b32991aeedd%7C0%7C1%7C637147901067613791&s=
data=3DlDHlKIx8%2F5R8oDYCbSLuJVTuF4sAr88BB6yOTTEbJJs%3D&reserved=3D0>). Tho=
se "Special Provisions" allow for the creation and assignment of subject he=
adings in fictional works by libraries, to augment access and assist patron=
s in identification and selection of materials of interest. Therefore, it w=
as my understanding that because of these provisions it was allowable to pr=
opose new subjects as needed for fictional novels.

In previous discussions on this list and on the SACOList, this understandin=
g appeared to be widely accepted. One contributor from 1/16/20 mentioned ha=
ving "submitted and had approved numerous subject headings needed for works=
 of fiction and drama (e.g. Body swapping; Boy knitters; Child ninja; Quake=
r girls; Mexican American teenage boys; Male cheerleaders; Womanizers)" bas=
ed on H1790 Special Provisions.

So my question is this: Have the "Special Provisions" been discontinued by =
the Library of Congress? Can we no longer submit proposals for classes of p=
erson or other topics as needed to provide increased access to fictional wo=
rks?

If the Special Provisions have been discontinued, I'm hoping the instructio=
ns at H1790 will be updated, so that they don't appear still valid. If they=
 haven't been discontinued, I'm at a loss as to why they didn't apply for m=
y proposal, and why it was rejected.

Thanks in advance for any insights anyone can provide.

Best,


Deborah Tomaras
Metadata and Resource Management Librarian
James A. Cannavino Library
Marist College
3399 North Road
Poughkeepsie, NY  12601
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif">Dear Deborah,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif">Your proposal for
<i>Lesbian superheroes</i> should have been approved, because it was based =
on a work that can be assigned the heading, according to instructions in SH=
M H 1790.&nbsp; We will rekey it, and it will appear on a future list and b=
e approved.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif">The confusion arose because your proposal also incl=
uded three citations to works about lesbian superheroes in comic books. Tho=
se citations were more prominent than the citations
 to the novels by virtue of their length and the fact that we are on the lo=
okout for superhero proposals based on comic books. (The Summary of Decisio=
ns for List 2002 explains why we are on the lookout for those proposals. It=
 is available on our website at
<a href=3D"https://www.loc.gov/aba/pcc/saco/cpsoed/psd-200217.html">https:/=
/www.loc.gov/aba/pcc/saco/cpsoed/psd-200217.html</a>.)
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif">This should have been a simple proposal to approve,=
 and would have been if not for the citations referring to comic books.&nbs=
p; In the future, you can help us approve your fictitious
 character proposals more readily by refraining from citing comic books or =
graphic novels, or works about them. We are human, and as humans we are som=
etimes led down the wrong path by extraneous information.<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif">On that note: Being human, we do occasionally make =
mistakes on proposals, regardless of how careful we are, or how many times =
we double-check ourselves.&nbsp; Also as humans, we
 would prefer to be informed about our mistakes &#8211; or potential mistak=
es &#8211; privately, instead of publicly on a listserv. Further, neither P=
CC members nor SACO members made this decision, LC&#8217;s subject policy s=
pecialists did. Our email addresses are readily available
 at the top of every tentative list. Please contact us directly if/when you=
 have concerns, and we would be happy to address them.<o:p></o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif">Janis L. Young<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif">Policy, Training, and Cooperative Programs Division=
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif">Library of Congress<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;=
font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"> Program for Cooperative Catalo=
ging &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Deborah Tomaras<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 17, 2020 2:22 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> [log in to unmask]<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [PCCLIST] Question about H 1790 and Summary of Decisions, E=
ditorial Meeting 2005, May 15, 2020<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif">I have a question pertaining to H1790 and the rejection of a recent =
subject proposal of mine for &quot;Lesbian superheroes&quot; from the May 2=
020 tentative list.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif">Here was the reason for the rejection, from the most recent Summary =
of Decisions (<a href=3D"https://www.loc.gov/aba/pcc/saco/cpsoed/psd-200515=
.html">https://www.loc.gov/aba/pcc/saco/cpsoed/psd-200515.html</a>):<o:p></=
o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><i><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sa=
ns-serif">Lesbian superheroes</span></i><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p style=3D"text-align:justify;background:white"><span style=3D"font-family=
:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#201F1E">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; The work being cataloged is a novel. In=
 the Summary of Decisions for list 2004, the announcement stated that going=
 forward, only
 those qualified headings that are necessary for the work being cataloged a=
ccording to the instructions in the SHM (H 1790 sec. 4) would be considered=
. The proposal was not necessary.</span><span style=3D"color:#201F1E"><o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif">The actual text from the Summary of Decisions being cited from Febru=
ary 2002 is this:</span><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,san=
s-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif;color:#333333">Going forward, the meeting will consider only those pr=
oposals in which the work being cataloged should be assigned the heading, a=
ccording to current rules and guidelines on LCSH
 assignment as stated in the SHM. If the work being cataloged would not be =
assigned the heading, the proposal will be marked not necessary. This is co=
nsistent with the practice for all other proposals for new terminology. (<a=
 href=3D"https://www.loc.gov/aba/pcc/saco/cpsoed/psd-200217.html"><span sty=
le=3D"background:white">https://www.loc.gov/aba/pcc/saco/cpsoed/psd-200217.=
html</span></a>)</span><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,sans=
-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif">Since there is no mention of any specific instructions from the Subj=
ect Heading Manual in that statement, I assumed that as long as a proposal =
was in keeping with subject instructions and guidance
 in general, they were acceptable.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif">In this case, I proposed the heading &quot;Lesbian superheroes&quot;=
 based on a fictional novel.&nbsp;<span style=3D"color:#201F1E;background:w=
hite">If I look at H1790 section 4, there is this sentence at the
 head of the section: &#8220;LC practice: Sec. 4, below, describes standard=
 practice followed at the Library of Congress. For an alternative approach =
to individual works of fiction, see the section SPECIAL PROVISIONS FOR INCR=
EASED SUBJECT ACCESS TO FICTION at the
 end of this instruction sheet&#8221; (</span><a href=3D"https://nam03.safe=
links.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.loc.gov%2Faba%2Fpublic=
ations%2FFreeSHM%2FH1790.pdf&amp;data=3D02%7C01%7Cmmonaco%40UAKRON.EDU%7C91=
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ground:white">http://www.loc.gov/aba/publications/FreeSHM/H1790.pdf</span><=
/a><span style=3D"color:#201F1E;background:white">).
 Those &#8220;Special Provisions&#8221; allow for the creation and assignme=
nt of subject headings in fictional works by libraries, to augment access a=
nd assist patrons in identification and selection of materials of interest.=
 Therefore, it was my understanding that because
 of these provisions it was allowable to propose new subjects as needed for=
 fictional novels.</span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif;color:#201F1E;background:white">In previous discussions on this list =
and on the SACOList, this understanding appeared to be widely accepted. One=
 contributor from 1/16/20 mentioned having&nbsp;&quot;</span><span style=3D=
"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">submitted
 and had approved numerous subject headings needed for works of fiction and=
 drama (e.g. Body swapping; Boy knitters; Child ninja; Quaker girls; Mexica=
n American teenage boys; Male cheerleaders; Womanizers)&quot; based on H179=
0 Special Provisions.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif">So my question is this: Have the &quot;Special Provisions&quot; been=
 discontinued by the Library of Congress? Can we no longer submit proposals=
 for classes of person or other topics as needed to provide
 increased access to fictional works?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif">If the Special Provisions have been discontinued, I'm hoping the ins=
tructions at H1790 will be updated, so that they don't appear still valid. =
If they haven't been discontinued, I'm at a loss
 as to why they didn't apply for my proposal, and why it was rejected.<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif">Thanks in advance for any insights anyone can provide.<o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif">Best,&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Hello everyone!


I'd like to share with you this year's PCC election results. The elected me=
mbers to the Policy Committee (PoCo) who will start a 3-year term on Octobe=
r 1st are:



  *   Ian Bigelow (University of Alberta)
  *   Casey Mullin (re-elected; Western Washington University)
  *   Larisa Walsh (University of Chicago)



In addition, the new co-chair of the Standing Committee on Standards (also =
beginning October 1st) will be Liz Miraglia (University of California, San =
Diego).

Congratulations and welcome to PoCo!

Jennifer
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Chair, Program for Cooperative Cataloging Policy Committee
Interim Assistant University Librarian for Metadata Services
Princeton University Library
693 Alexander Road
Princeton NJ 08540
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http://orcid.org/0000-0002-8074-5322
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hello everyone!<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">I'd like to share with you this year's PCC election=
 results. The elected members to the Policy Committee (PoCo) who will start=
 a 3-year term on October 1<sup>st</sup> are:
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<ul style=3D"margin-top:0in" type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"xmsolistparagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1=
 lfo1">Ian Bigelow (University of Alberta)&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
<o:p></o:p></li><li class=3D"xmsolistparagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in;ms=
o-list:l0 level1 lfo1">Casey Mullin (re-elected; Western Washington Univers=
ity)&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
<o:p></o:p></li><li class=3D"xmsolistparagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in;ms=
o-list:l0 level1 lfo1">Larisa Walsh (University of Chicago)<o:p></o:p></li>=
</ul>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">In addition, the new co-chair of the Standing Commi=
ttee on Standards (also beginning October 1<sup>st</sup>) will be Liz Mirag=
lia (University of California, San Diego).<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Congratulations and welcome to PoCo!<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Jennifer<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>--<o:p></o:p></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>Jennifer Baxmeyer</b> (she/her)<b><o:p></o:p></b>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Chair, Program for Cooperative Cataloging Policy Com=
mittee<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Interim Assistant University Librarian for Metadata =
Services<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Princeton University Library<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">693 Alexander Road<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Princeton NJ 08540<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]"><span style=3D"=
color:blue">[log in to unmask]</span></a> | 609.258.3631
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a href=3D"http://orcid.org/0000-0002-8074-5322"><sp=
an style=3D"color:blue">http://orcid.org/0000-0002-8074-5322</span></a>
<o:p></o:p></p>
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https://www.bgc.bard.edu/about/5/careers

*Reports to: Director of the Library*

The Bard Graduate Center (BGC), a division of Bard College, is seeking a
full-time Technical services & Systems Librarian.

The BGC offers MA and PhD programs in the study of the cultural history of
the material world and is committed to the encyclopedic study of things,
drawing on methodologies and approaches from art and design history,
history of technology, philosophy, anthropology, and archaeology and
cultural history. Founded in 1993, the BGC is located on West 86th Street
in New York City.


*Basic Function:*Reporting to the Director of the Library at the Bard
Graduate Center, and working closely with other library staff, the
Technical Services and Systems Librarian is a full-time staff position that
oversees all aspects of technical services and database systems that
support library functions.

*Characteristic Duties & Responsibilities: *

   - Manages the implementation, ongoing development, and maintenance of
   the library=E2=80=99s discovery tools. Works across departments and coll=
aborates
   with outside developers to customize tools and ensure continued developm=
ent.
   - Collaborates across departments to ensure metadata standards are in
   place for digital projects.
   - Manages all aspects of technical services workflow and quality
   control, including database management, planning for future initiatives,
   proposing technological solutions and supervising cataloging staff.
   - Responsible for original and copy cataloging of materials in all
   formats and a variety of languages.
   - Works with Library Director to establish departmental policies and
   procedures, as well as long-range planning.
   - Write and implement policies and best practices for development,
   management, preservation and access of physical and digital archival
   collections.
   - Oversee and facilitate the use of archives at Bard Hall and via the
   digital repository.
   - Oversee ArchivesSpace softward and LibraryHost.
   - Research, evaluate and implement new software for archives management
   and access
   - Coordinates the implementation and maintenance of new library
   software, electronic resources and upgrades.
   - Responsible for local system administration of the ILS and OPAC, OCLC,
   and online periodicals tools, including changing local settings and runn=
ing
   reports.
   - Collaborates with other staff members on maintaining the Library=E2=80=
=99s web
   presence.
   - Implements and maintains online database subscriptions.
   - Participates in reference services, bibliographic instruction, staff
   training, and collection development.
   - Compiles monthly statistics for technical services, and as needed for
   other areas of the library.
   - Coordinates tasks for campus employees.
   - Acts as the liaison with Bard College librarians in regards to shared
   resources.

*Required Qualifications*

   - ALA-accredited MLS with at least 2 years of professional experience.
   - Thorough knowledge of cataloging principles and procedures including
   AACR2/RDA, USMARC formats, LCSH, authority control, and LC classificatio=
n.
   - In-depth experience with an integrated library system and online
   serials tools (Innovative Interfaces and OCLC preferred).
   - Excellent database management skills, proxy server maintenance
   experience preferred.
   - Ability to establish and maintain effective working relationships with
   a diverse community of colleagues and library users. Ability to work
   independently and as part of a team.
   - Working knowledge of 1 or more foreign languages.

*Preferred Qualifications*

   - Work experience or education in art history, decorative arts, or
   material culture preferred.
   - Familiarity with open source library tools and their implementation.

To apply, please submit a cover letter, resume and contact information for
three references to [log in to unmask] No telephone calls please.

Bard College is an equal opportunity employer and we welcome applications
from those who contribute to our diversity. All qualified applicants will
receive consideration for employment without regard to race, color,
religion, sex, mental, or physical disability, age, sexual orientation,
gender identity, national origin, familial status, veteran status, or
genetic information.

Bard is committed to providing access, equal opportunity, and reasonable
accommodation for all individuals in employment practices, services,
programs, and activities.

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Amber Billey (she/her/hers)
Mckenzie House Librarian
Systems & Metadata Librarian
Bard College Libraries
1 Library Road
Annandale-on-Hudson, NY 12504
845-758-7619
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 departmental policies and procedures, as well as long-range planning.</li>=
<li>Write
 and implement policies and best practices for development, management,=20
preservation and access of physical and digital archival collections.</li><=
li>Oversee and facilitate the use of archives at Bard Hall and via the digi=
tal repository.</li><li>Oversee ArchivesSpace softward and LibraryHost.</li=
><li>Research, evaluate and implement new software for archives management =
and access</li><li>Coordinates the implementation and maintenance of new li=
brary software, electronic resources and upgrades.</li><li>Responsible
 for local system administration of the ILS and OPAC, OCLC, and online=20
periodicals tools, including changing local settings and running=20
reports.</li><li>Collaborates with other staff members on maintaining the L=
ibrary=E2=80=99s web presence.</li><li>Implements and maintains online data=
base subscriptions.</li><li>Participates in reference services, bibliograph=
ic instruction, staff training, and collection development.</li><li>Compile=
s monthly statistics for technical services, and as needed for other areas =
of the library.</li><li>Coordinates tasks for campus employees.</li><li>Act=
s as the liaison with Bard College librarians in regards to shared resource=
s.</li></ul><b>Required Qualifications</b><ul><li>ALA-accredited MLS with a=
t least 2 years of professional experience.</li><li>Thorough
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USMARC formats, LCSH, authority control, and LC classification.</li><li>In-=
depth experience with an integrated library system and online serials tools=
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agement skills, proxy server maintenance experience preferred.</li><li>Abil=
ity
 to establish and maintain effective working relationships with a=20
diverse community of colleagues and library users. Ability to work=20
independently and as part of a team.</li><li>Working knowledge of 1 or more=
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Work experience or education in art history, decorative arts, or material c=
ulture preferred.</li><li>Familiarity with open source library tools and th=
eir implementation.</li></ul><p>To apply, please submit a cover letter, res=
ume and contact information for three references to <a href=3D"mailto:TSSL@=
bgc.bard.edu">[log in to unmask]</a>. No telephone calls please.<br><br>Bard
 College is an equal opportunity employer and we welcome applications=20
from those who contribute to our diversity. All qualified applicants=20
will receive consideration for employment without regard to race, color,
 religion, sex, mental, or physical disability, age, sexual orientation,
 gender identity, national origin, familial status, veteran status, or=20
genetic information.<br><br>Bard is committed to providing access, equal
 opportunity, and reasonable accommodation for all individuals in=20
employment practices, services, programs, and activities.  </p></div></div>=
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iv><div>1 Library Road<br></div></div>Annandale-on-Hudson, NY 12504<br><div=
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Empty calendar? Plenty of linked data content is coming your way in the mon=
th of July! Full calendar? Join the sessions that most intrigue you. Save t=
he month for the 2020 LD4 Conference, which will take place online in July.


The Program Committee is thrilled that our original group of presenters are=
 enthusiastically preparing to bring you over 50 presentations, workshops, =
lightning talks, and papers. The conference is free to attend: choose one s=
ession or many!


Themes include:

  *   Data sources, ontologies, and standards

  *   Digital Collections

  *   Discovery

  *   Ethics

  *   Infrastructure

  *   Linked Data for Beginners

  *   Metadata Production

  *   Planning for Implementation

  *   RDF Application Profiles

  *   Special Collections, Archives, and Rare Materials

  *   Wikidata

Sign up will be at http://ld42020.sched.com. We=92ll send a follow-up messa=
ge when the schedule is open and ready for sign up.


Looking forward to seeing you there,

Hilary Thorsen (Stanford University) and Christine Fernsebner Eslao (Harvar=
d University), Conference Co-Chairs

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TJ Kao
Head of Metadata Creation
Content Support Services | Peter J. Shields Library
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if; color: rgb(6, 64, 12); line-height: normal;">Empty calendar? Plenty of =
linked data content is coming your way
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you. Save the month for the 2020 LD4 Conference, which will take place onli=
ne in July.&nbsp;</span></p>
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"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-ser=
if; color: rgb(6, 64, 12); line-height: normal;">The Program Committee is t=
hrilled that our original group of presenters
 are enthusiastically preparing to bring you over 50 presentations, worksho=
ps, lightning talks, and papers. The conference is free to attend: choose o=
ne session or many!&nbsp;</span></p>
<br>
<p dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"line-height:1.38; margin-top:0pt; margin-bottom:0pt=
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<p dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"line-height:1.38; margin-top:0pt; margin-bottom:0pt=
"><span style=3D"color: rgb(6, 64, 12); line-height: normal; font-family: C=
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gb(0, 0, 0);">
<p dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"line-height:1.38; margin-top:0pt; margin-bottom:0pt=
"><span style=3D"color: rgb(6, 64, 12); line-height: normal; font-family: C=
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alibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;">Discovery</span></p>
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gb(0, 0, 0);">
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"><span style=3D"color: rgb(6, 64, 12); line-height: normal; font-family: C=
alibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;">Ethics</span></p>
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gb(0, 0, 0);">
<p dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"line-height:1.38; margin-top:0pt; margin-bottom:0pt=
"><span style=3D"color: rgb(6, 64, 12); line-height: normal; font-family: C=
alibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;">Infrastructure</span></p>
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gb(0, 0, 0);">
<p dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"line-height:1.38; margin-top:0pt; margin-bottom:0pt=
"><span style=3D"color: rgb(6, 64, 12); line-height: normal; font-family: C=
alibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;">Linked Data for Beginners</span></p>
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gb(0, 0, 0);">
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"><span style=3D"color: rgb(6, 64, 12); line-height: normal; font-family: C=
alibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;">Metadata Production</span></p>
</li><li dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: r=
gb(0, 0, 0);">
<p dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"line-height:1.38; margin-top:0pt; margin-bottom:0pt=
"><span style=3D"color: rgb(6, 64, 12); line-height: normal; font-family: C=
alibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;">Planning for Implementation</span></p>
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gb(0, 0, 0);">
<p dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"line-height:1.38; margin-top:0pt; margin-bottom:0pt=
"><span style=3D"color: rgb(6, 64, 12); line-height: normal; font-family: C=
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 We=92ll send a follow-up message when the schedule is open and ready for s=
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 (Harvard University), Conference Co-Chairs</span></p>
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Many thanks TJ! These look interesting. Appreciate your pointing these out.

Best,

Jane

On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 10:35 AM Ts Ching Kao <
[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Empty calendar? Plenty of linked data content is coming your way in the
> month of July! Full calendar? Join the sessions that most intrigue you.
> Save the month for the 2020 LD4 Conference, which will take place online =
in
> July.
>
> The Program Committee is thrilled that our original group of presenters
> are enthusiastically preparing to bring you over 50 presentations,
> workshops, lightning talks, and papers. The conference is free to attend:
> choose one session or many!
>
> Themes include:
>
>    -
>
>    Data sources, ontologies, and standards
>    -
>
>    Digital Collections
>    -
>
>    Discovery
>    -
>
>    Ethics
>    -
>
>    Infrastructure
>    -
>
>    Linked Data for Beginners
>    -
>
>    Metadata Production
>    -
>
>    Planning for Implementation
>    -
>
>    RDF Application Profiles
>    -
>
>    Special Collections, Archives, and Rare Materials
>    -
>
>    Wikidata
>
> Sign up will be at http://ld42020.sched.com. We=E2=80=99ll send a follow-=
up
> message when the schedule is open and ready for sign up.
>
> Looking forward to seeing you there,
>
> Hilary Thorsen (Stanford University) and Christine Fernsebner Eslao
> (Harvard University), Conference Co-Chairs
> --
> TJ Kao
> Head of Metadata Creation
> Content Support Services | Peter J. Shields Library
> [log in to unmask] | ORCID ID: http://orcid.org/0000-0003-2958-4399
>


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*Librarian**Interim Head, Catalog & Metadata Services*
*250 Moffitt*
*University of California, Berkeley*
*Berkeley, CA 94720-6000*
*Huichin Ohlone Land*
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,sa=
ns-serif">Many thanks TJ! These look interesting. Appreciate your pointing =
these out.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,san=
s-serif"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,=
sans-serif">Best,</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:ar=
ial,sans-serif"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family=
:arial,sans-serif">Jane</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=
=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 10:35 AM Ts Ching Kao=
 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">000=
[log in to unmask]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><block=
quote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1=
px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">




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<span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;colo=
r:rgb(6,64,12);line-height:normal">Empty calendar? Plenty of linked data co=
ntent is coming your way
 in the month of July! Full calendar? Join the sessions that most intrigue =
you. Save the month for the 2020 LD4 Conference, which will take place onli=
ne in July.=C2=A0</span></p>
<br>
<p dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt">=
<span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;colo=
r:rgb(6,64,12);line-height:normal">The Program Committee is thrilled that o=
ur original group of presenters
 are enthusiastically preparing to bring you over 50 presentations, worksho=
ps, lightning talks, and papers. The conference is free to attend: choose o=
ne session or many!=C2=A0</span></p>
<br>
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Hi,

There are certain LCSH headings like "Christmas stories" and "Hunting stori=
es" which have long worried me a bit.

These headings have the cross references "Christmas - Fiction" and "Hunting=
 - Fiction."  If you want to use a subject heading to say that a work is fi=
ction about Christmas, you're led through the cross reference to the 150 "C=
hristmas stories."  That's used instead of the topic + form combination "Ch=
ristmas - Fiction."

Yet "Christmas stories" looks very like a form/genre heading.  And there's =
already a perfectly good LCGFT heading, "Christmas fiction."  So do you aba=
ndon your 650, instead using only a 655, "Christmas fiction?"

My guess is no.  Why should we not have a 650 to say that what we're catalo=
ging is about Christmas?  We routinely give topical headings, subdivided  b=
y form, to works of fiction, and "Christmas stories" is the authority-manda=
ted substitute here for the topical heading "Christmas" subdivided by form =
"fiction."  I'm thinking that "Christmas stories" is perfectly acceptable a=
s a 650 for a novel about Christmas.  (Not just for a collection of Christm=
as stories.  The novel would get the heading "Christmas - Fiction" were tha=
t not unacceptable, so it gets "Christmas stories.")

Does this sound correct?

Pete Wilson
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">There are certain LCSH headings like &#8220;Christma=
s stories&#8221; and &#8220;Hunting stories&#8221; which have long worried =
me a bit.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">These headings have the cross references &#8220;Chri=
stmas &#8211; Fiction&#8221; and &#8220;Hunting &#8211; Fiction.&#8221;&nbs=
p; If you want to use a subject heading to say that a work is fiction about=
 Christmas, you&#8217;re led through the cross reference to the 150 &#8220;=
Christmas stories.&#8221;
 &nbsp;That&#8217;s used instead of the topic &#43; form combination &#8220=
;Christmas &#8211; Fiction.&#8221;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Yet &#8220;Christmas stories&#8221; looks very like =
a form/genre heading. &nbsp;And there&#8217;s already a perfectly good LCGF=
T heading, &#8220;Christmas fiction.&#8221;&nbsp; So do you abandon your 65=
0, instead using only a 655, &#8220;Christmas fiction?&#8221;<o:p></o:p></p=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">My guess is no.&nbsp; Why should we not have a 650 t=
o say that what we&#8217;re cataloging is about Christmas?&nbsp; We routine=
ly give topical headings, subdivided&nbsp; by form, to works of fiction, an=
d &#8220;Christmas stories&#8221; is the authority-mandated substitute
 here for the topical heading &#8220;Christmas&#8221; subdivided by form &#=
8220;fiction.&#8221;&nbsp; I&#8217;m thinking that &#8220;Christmas stories=
&#8221; is perfectly acceptable as a 650 for a novel about Christmas.&nbsp;=
 (Not just for a collection of Christmas stories.&nbsp; The novel would get=
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tmas stories.&#8221;)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Does this sound correct?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Pete Wilson<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Vanderbilt University<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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These types of records drive me crazy!  Often I would like to use a subject=
 heading like Lawyers--Fiction, but the authority record causes it to flip =
to Legal stories (which is not necessarily appropriate for the work I'm cat=
aloging).  Now that we have LCGFT, I wonder if it should be proposed to hav=
e these 450s removed.  Then we could use Lawyers--Fiction, Christmas--Ficti=
on, or Hunting--Fiction if we want to, and additionally apply the LCGFT ter=
m when appropriate.

Michelle

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Special Collections Technical Services
CB#3926, Wilson Library
University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill

919-962-4271

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Subject: [PCCLIST] "Christmas stories" and similar subject headings


Hi,



There are certain LCSH headings like "Christmas stories" and "Hunting stori=
es" which have long worried me a bit.



These headings have the cross references "Christmas - Fiction" and "Hunting=
 - Fiction."  If you want to use a subject heading to say that a work is fi=
ction about Christmas, you're led through the cross reference to the 150 "C=
hristmas stories."  That's used instead of the topic + form combination "Ch=
ristmas - Fiction."



Yet "Christmas stories" looks very like a form/genre heading.  And there's =
already a perfectly good LCGFT heading, "Christmas fiction."  So do you aba=
ndon your 650, instead using only a 655, "Christmas fiction?"



My guess is no.  Why should we not have a 650 to say that what we're catalo=
ging is about Christmas?  We routinely give topical headings, subdivided  b=
y form, to works of fiction, and "Christmas stories" is the authority-manda=
ted substitute here for the topical heading "Christmas" subdivided by form =
"fiction."  I'm thinking that "Christmas stories" is perfectly acceptable a=
s a 650 for a novel about Christmas.  (Not just for a collection of Christm=
as stories.  The novel would get the heading "Christmas - Fiction" were tha=
t not unacceptable, so it gets "Christmas stories.")



Does this sound correct?



Pete Wilson

Vanderbilt University













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eading like Lawyers--Fiction, but the authority record causes it to flip to=
 Legal stories (which is not necessarily
 appropriate for the work I'm cataloging).&nbsp; Now that we have LCGFT, I =
wonder if it should be proposed to have these 450s removed.&nbsp; Then we c=
ould use Lawyers--Fiction, Christmas--Fiction, or Hunting--Fiction if we wa=
nt to, and additionally apply the LCGFT term
 when appropriate.&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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homa&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">CB#3926, Wilson Library</span><span st=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"color:black">From:</span></b><span=
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 24, 2020 2:49 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> [log in to unmask] &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;<br>
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<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">There are certain LCSH headings like &#8220;Christm=
as stories&#8221; and &#8220;Hunting stories&#8221; which have long worried=
 me a bit.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">These headings have the cross references &#8220;Chr=
istmas &#8211; Fiction&#8221; and &#8220;Hunting &#8211; Fiction.&#8221;&nb=
sp; If you want to use a subject heading to say that a work is fiction abou=
t Christmas, you&#8217;re led through the cross reference to the 150 &#8220=
;Christmas stories.&#8221;
 &nbsp;That&#8217;s used instead of the topic &#43; form combination &#8220=
;Christmas &#8211; Fiction.&#8221;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">Yet &#8220;Christmas stories&#8221; looks very like=
 a form/genre heading. &nbsp;And there&#8217;s already a perfectly good LCG=
FT heading, &#8220;Christmas fiction.&#8221;&nbsp; So do you abandon your 6=
50, instead using only a 655, &#8220;Christmas fiction?&#8221;<o:p></o:p></=
p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">My guess is no.&nbsp; Why should we not have a 650 =
to say that what we&#8217;re cataloging is about Christmas?&nbsp; We routin=
ely give topical headings, subdivided&nbsp; by form, to works of fiction, a=
nd &#8220;Christmas stories&#8221; is the authority-mandated substitute
 here for the topical heading &#8220;Christmas&#8221; subdivided by form &#=
8220;fiction.&#8221;&nbsp; I&#8217;m thinking that &#8220;Christmas stories=
&#8221; is perfectly acceptable as a 650 for a novel about Christmas.&nbsp;=
 (Not just for a collection of Christmas stories.&nbsp; The novel would get=
 the heading &#8220;Christmas
 &#8211; Fiction&#8221; were that not unacceptable, so it gets &#8220;Chris=
tmas stories.&#8221;)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">Does this sound correct?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">Pete Wilson<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">Vanderbilt University<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
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H 1790 section 4 does put fairly strict limits on SH for individual works o=
f fiction. (Only used for biographical and historical fiction, basically.) =
The "Special provisions" at the end of H 1790 still refer to GSAFD headings=
, so IMO the section needs updating.

But per H 1790 section 4, you still only use very specific 650s. So "650 De=
er hunting - Fiction" is ok, but "Hunting-Fiction" is too general. 655s are=
 generally fine. If I understand H 1790.

Mike Monaco (he/him)
Coordinator, Cataloging Services
261B Bierce Library
The University of Akron
Akron, Ohio 44325-1712
Office: 330-972-2446
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From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging <[log in to unmask]> On Beha=
lf Of Wilson, Pete
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 2:50 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: [PCCLIST] "Christmas stories" and similar subject headings

CAUTION: This email originated from outside of The University of Akron.
Hi,

There are certain LCSH headings like "Christmas stories" and "Hunting stori=
es" which have long worried me a bit.

These headings have the cross references "Christmas - Fiction" and "Hunting=
 - Fiction."  If you want to use a subject heading to say that a work is fi=
ction about Christmas, you're led through the cross reference to the 150 "C=
hristmas stories."  That's used instead of the topic + form combination "Ch=
ristmas - Fiction."

Yet "Christmas stories" looks very like a form/genre heading.  And there's =
already a perfectly good LCGFT heading, "Christmas fiction."  So do you aba=
ndon your 650, instead using only a 655, "Christmas fiction?"

My guess is no.  Why should we not have a 650 to say that what we're catalo=
ging is about Christmas?  We routinely give topical headings, subdivided  b=
y form, to works of fiction, and "Christmas stories" is the authority-manda=
ted substitute here for the topical heading "Christmas" subdivided by form =
"fiction."  I'm thinking that "Christmas stories" is perfectly acceptable a=
s a 650 for a novel about Christmas.  (Not just for a collection of Christm=
as stories.  The novel would get the heading "Christmas - Fiction" were tha=
t not unacceptable, so it gets "Christmas stories.")

Does this sound correct?

Pete Wilson
Vanderbilt University








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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Coordinator, Catalogin=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">261B Bierce Library<o:=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">The University of Akro=
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[log in to unmask]&gt;
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Wilson, Pete<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 24, 2020 2:50 PM<br>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">There are certain LCSH headings like &#8220;Christma=
s stories&#8221; and &#8220;Hunting stories&#8221; which have long worried =
me a bit.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">These headings have the cross references &#8220;Chri=
stmas &#8211; Fiction&#8221; and &#8220;Hunting &#8211; Fiction.&#8221;&nbs=
p; If you want to use a subject heading to say that a work is fiction about=
 Christmas, you&#8217;re led through the cross reference to the 150 &#8220;=
Christmas stories.&#8221;
 &nbsp;That&#8217;s used instead of the topic &#43; form combination &#8220=
;Christmas &#8211; Fiction.&#8221;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Yet &#8220;Christmas stories&#8221; looks very like =
a form/genre heading. &nbsp;And there&#8217;s already a perfectly good LCGF=
T heading, &#8220;Christmas fiction.&#8221;&nbsp; So do you abandon your 65=
0, instead using only a 655, &#8220;Christmas fiction?&#8221;<o:p></o:p></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">My guess is no.&nbsp; Why should we not have a 650 t=
o say that what we&#8217;re cataloging is about Christmas?&nbsp; We routine=
ly give topical headings, subdivided&nbsp; by form, to works of fiction, an=
d &#8220;Christmas stories&#8221; is the authority-mandated substitute
 here for the topical heading &#8220;Christmas&#8221; subdivided by form &#=
8220;fiction.&#8221;&nbsp; I&#8217;m thinking that &#8220;Christmas stories=
&#8221; is perfectly acceptable as a 650 for a novel about Christmas.&nbsp;=
 (Not just for a collection of Christmas stories.&nbsp; The novel would get=
 the heading &#8220;Christmas
 &#8211; Fiction&#8221; were that not unacceptable, so it gets &#8220;Chris=
tmas stories.&#8221;)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Does this sound correct?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Pete Wilson<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Vanderbilt University<o:p></o:p></p>
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Team sports also fit into this same issue. (Baseball stories, Soccer storie=
s, etc.)

However, individual sports tend to be different, although some also have th=
e "stories" headings. And eSports (leaving aside the question of whether so=
mething done while stationary can be a sport) also would take a fiction for=
m subdivision. (Chess, which seems to me more analogous to eSports than tra=
ck or wrestling, also does not have one of these "stories" headings.)

I believe this is one of the relics of the past that we just have to live w=
ith.

Preston Salisbury
Assistant Professor and Monographic Cataloger
Mississippi State University
662.325.4618
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From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging <[log in to unmask]> On Beha=
lf Of Cronquist, Michelle J
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 2:49 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] "Christmas stories" and similar subject headings

These types of records drive me crazy!  Often I would like to use a subject=
 heading like Lawyers--Fiction, but the authority record causes it to flip =
to Legal stories (which is not necessarily appropriate for the work I'm cat=
aloging).  Now that we have LCGFT, I wonder if it should be proposed to hav=
e these 450s removed.  Then we could use Lawyers--Fiction, Christmas--Ficti=
on, or Hunting--Fiction if we want to, and additionally apply the LCGFT ter=
m when appropriate.

Michelle

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Michelle Cronquist
Special Collections Cataloger
Special Collections Technical Services
CB#3926, Wilson Library
University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill

919-962-4271

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From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging <[log in to unmask]<mailto:P=
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Subject: [PCCLIST] "Christmas stories" and similar subject headings


Hi,



There are certain LCSH headings like "Christmas stories" and "Hunting stori=
es" which have long worried me a bit.



These headings have the cross references "Christmas - Fiction" and "Hunting=
 - Fiction."  If you want to use a subject heading to say that a work is fi=
ction about Christmas, you're led through the cross reference to the 150 "C=
hristmas stories."  That's used instead of the topic + form combination "Ch=
ristmas - Fiction."



Yet "Christmas stories" looks very like a form/genre heading.  And there's =
already a perfectly good LCGFT heading, "Christmas fiction."  So do you aba=
ndon your 650, instead using only a 655, "Christmas fiction?"



My guess is no.  Why should we not have a 650 to say that what we're catalo=
ging is about Christmas?  We routinely give topical headings, subdivided  b=
y form, to works of fiction, and "Christmas stories" is the authority-manda=
ted substitute here for the topical heading "Christmas" subdivided by form =
"fiction."  I'm thinking that "Christmas stories" is perfectly acceptable a=
s a 650 for a novel about Christmas.  (Not just for a collection of Christm=
as stories.  The novel would get the heading "Christmas - Fiction" were tha=
t not unacceptable, so it gets "Christmas stories.")



Does this sound correct?



Pete Wilson

Vanderbilt University













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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Team sports also fit into this same issue. (Baseball=
 stories, Soccer stories, etc.)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">However, individual sports tend to be different, alt=
hough some also have the &#8220;stories&#8221; headings. And eSports (leavi=
ng aside the question of whether something done while stationary can be a s=
port) also would take a fiction form subdivision.
 (Chess, which seems to me more analogous to eSports than track or wrestlin=
g, also does not have one of these &#8220;stories&#8221; headings.)<o:p></o=
:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I believe this is one of the relics of the past that=
 we just have to live with.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Preston Salisbury<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Assistant Professor and Monographic Cataloger<o:p></=
o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Mississippi State University<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">662.325.4618<o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Cronquist, Michelle J<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 24, 2020 2:49 PM<br>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">These t=
ypes of records drive me crazy!&nbsp; Often I would like to use a subject h=
eading like Lawyers--Fiction, but the authority record causes it to flip to=
 Legal stories (which is not necessarily
 appropriate for the work I'm cataloging).&nbsp; Now that we have LCGFT, I =
wonder if it should be proposed to have these 450s removed.&nbsp; Then we c=
ould use Lawyers--Fiction, Christmas--Fiction, or Hunting--Fiction if we wa=
nt to, and additionally apply the LCGFT term
 when appropriate.&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">There are certain LCSH headings like &#8220;Christm=
as stories&#8221; and &#8220;Hunting stories&#8221; which have long worried=
 me a bit.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">These headings have the cross references &#8220;Chr=
istmas &#8211; Fiction&#8221; and &#8220;Hunting &#8211; Fiction.&#8221;&nb=
sp; If you want to use a subject heading to say that a work is fiction abou=
t Christmas, you&#8217;re led through the cross reference to the 150 &#8220=
;Christmas stories.&#8221;
 &nbsp;That&#8217;s used instead of the topic &#43; form combination &#8220=
;Christmas &#8211; Fiction.&#8221;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">Yet &#8220;Christmas stories&#8221; looks very like=
 a form/genre heading. &nbsp;And there&#8217;s already a perfectly good LCG=
FT heading, &#8220;Christmas fiction.&#8221;&nbsp; So do you abandon your 6=
50, instead using only a 655, &#8220;Christmas fiction?&#8221;<o:p></o:p></=
p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">My guess is no.&nbsp; Why should we not have a 650 =
to say that what we&#8217;re cataloging is about Christmas?&nbsp; We routin=
ely give topical headings, subdivided&nbsp; by form, to works of fiction, a=
nd &#8220;Christmas stories&#8221; is the authority-mandated substitute
 here for the topical heading &#8220;Christmas&#8221; subdivided by form &#=
8220;fiction.&#8221;&nbsp; I&#8217;m thinking that &#8220;Christmas stories=
&#8221; is perfectly acceptable as a 650 for a novel about Christmas.&nbsp;=
 (Not just for a collection of Christmas stories.&nbsp; The novel would get=
 the heading &#8220;Christmas
 &#8211; Fiction&#8221; were that not unacceptable, so it gets &#8220;Chris=
tmas stories.&#8221;)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">Does this sound correct?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">Pete Wilson<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">Vanderbilt University<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
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Not long ago I wanted to assign "Christmas--Fiction" to a book in which Chr=
istmas was a very important theme, but it was definitely not a "Christmas s=
tory" as a genre.

I find the limitations in H 1790 section 4 (biographic fiction, historical =
fiction, and animal stories) to be a bit arbitrary (why animal stories, but=
 not holiday stories, etc.?).  Section 4 concludes with, "Assign no form he=
adings to individual works of adult fiction, children's fiction, or young a=
dult fiction."  So "Christmas stories" would not be assigned to a single no=
vel or short story, but "Horses--Fiction" would be allowed because it is no=
t a form heading, and because it fall under the "Animal stories" category. =
   If this limitation is ever eased, the cross-reference structure of some =
authority records will need to be altered.

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From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging [[log in to unmask]] On Beha=
lf Of Monaco,Michael J [[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 11:53 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] "Christmas stories" and similar subject headings

H 1790 section 4 does put fairly strict limits on SH for individual works o=
f fiction. (Only used for biographical and historical fiction, basically.) =
The =93Special provisions=94 at the end of H 1790 still refer to GSAFD head=
ings, so IMO the section needs updating.

But per H 1790 section 4, you still only use very specific 650s. So =93650 =
Deer hunting =96 Fiction=94 is ok, but =93Hunting=97Fiction=94 is too gener=
al. 655s are generally fine. If I understand H 1790.

Mike Monaco (he/him)
Coordinator, Cataloging Services
261B Bierce Library
The University of Akron
Akron, Ohio 44325-1712
Office: 330-972-2446
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Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 2:50 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: [PCCLIST] "Christmas stories" and similar subject headings

CAUTION: This email originated from outside of The University of Akron.
Hi,

There are certain LCSH headings like =93Christmas stories=94 and =93Hunting=
 stories=94 which have long worried me a bit.

These headings have the cross references =93Christmas =96 Fiction=94 and =
=93Hunting =96 Fiction.=94  If you want to use a subject heading to say tha=
t a work is fiction about Christmas, you=92re led through the cross referen=
ce to the 150 =93Christmas stories.=94  That=92s used instead of the topic =
+ form combination =93Christmas =96 Fiction.=94

Yet =93Christmas stories=94 looks very like a form/genre heading.  And ther=
e=92s already a perfectly good LCGFT heading, =93Christmas fiction.=94  So =
do you abandon your 650, instead using only a 655, =93Christmas fiction?=94

My guess is no.  Why should we not have a 650 to say that what we=92re cata=
loging is about Christmas?  We routinely give topical headings, subdivided =
 by form, to works of fiction, and =93Christmas stories=94 is the authority=
-mandated substitute here for the topical heading =93Christmas=94 subdivide=
d by form =93fiction.=94  I=92m thinking that =93Christmas stories=94 is pe=
rfectly acceptable as a 650 for a novel about Christmas.  (Not just for a c=
ollection of Christmas stories.  The novel would get the heading =93Christm=
as =96 Fiction=94 were that not unacceptable, so it gets =93Christmas stori=
es.=94)

Does this sound correct?

Pete Wilson
Vanderbilt University
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I think the "SPECIAL PROVISIONS FOR INCREASED SUBJECT ACCESS TO FICTION" at=
 the end of H 1790 are actually the current guidelines for applying subject=
 headings to fiction, which are much more permissive than the section 4 tha=
t Mike references below.

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Michelle Cronquist (she/her/hers)
Special Collections Cataloger
Special Collections Technical Services
CB#3926, Wilson Library
University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill

919-962-4271

From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging <[log in to unmask]> On Beha=
lf Of Monaco,Michael J
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 3:53 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] "Christmas stories" and similar subject headings

H 1790 section 4 does put fairly strict limits on SH for individual works o=
f fiction. (Only used for biographical and historical fiction, basically.) =
The "Special provisions" at the end of H 1790 still refer to GSAFD headings=
, so IMO the section needs updating.

But per H 1790 section 4, you still only use very specific 650s. So "650 De=
er hunting - Fiction" is ok, but "Hunting-Fiction" is too general. 655s are=
 generally fine. If I understand H 1790.

Mike Monaco (he/him)
Coordinator, Cataloging Services
261B Bierce Library
The University of Akron
Akron, Ohio 44325-1712
Office: 330-972-2446
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">University of North Ca=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Program for Cooperative Cataloging &lt;=
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Monaco,Michael J<br>
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0 section 4 does put fairly strict limits on SH for individual works of fic=
tion. (Only used for biographical and historical fiction, basically.) The &=
#8220;Special provisions&#8221; at the end of H
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p></o:p></span></p>
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er H 1790 section 4, you still only use very specific 650s. So &#8220;650 D=
eer hunting &#8211; Fiction&#8221; is ok, but &#8220;Hunting&#8212;Fiction&=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Coordinator, Catalogin=
g Services<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">261B Bierce Library<o:=
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I second Michelle's frustration and suggestion.

Joy Anhalt
Technical Services Manager
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From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto:[log in to unmask]] =
On Behalf Of Cronquist, Michelle J
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 2:49 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] "Christmas stories" and similar subject headings

These types of records drive me crazy!  Often I would like to use a subject=
 heading like Lawyers--Fiction, but the authority record causes it to flip =
to Legal stories (which is not necessarily appropriate for the work I'm cat=
aloging).  Now that we have LCGFT, I wonder if it should be proposed to hav=
e these 450s removed.  Then we could use Lawyers--Fiction, Christmas--Ficti=
on, or Hunting--Fiction if we want to, and additionally apply the LCGFT ter=
m when appropriate.

Michelle

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Michelle Cronquist
Special Collections Cataloger
Special Collections Technical Services
CB#3926, Wilson Library
University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill

919-962-4271

________________________________
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Subject: [PCCLIST] "Christmas stories" and similar subject headings


Hi,



There are certain LCSH headings like "Christmas stories" and "Hunting stori=
es" which have long worried me a bit.



These headings have the cross references "Christmas - Fiction" and "Hunting=
 - Fiction."  If you want to use a subject heading to say that a work is fi=
ction about Christmas, you're led through the cross reference to the 150 "C=
hristmas stories."  That's used instead of the topic + form combination "Ch=
ristmas - Fiction."



Yet "Christmas stories" looks very like a form/genre heading.  And there's =
already a perfectly good LCGFT heading, "Christmas fiction."  So do you aba=
ndon your 650, instead using only a 655, "Christmas fiction?"



My guess is no.  Why should we not have a 650 to say that what we're catalo=
ging is about Christmas?  We routinely give topical headings, subdivided  b=
y form, to works of fiction, and "Christmas stories" is the authority-manda=
ted substitute here for the topical heading "Christmas" subdivided by form =
"fiction."  I'm thinking that "Christmas stories" is perfectly acceptable a=
s a 650 for a novel about Christmas.  (Not just for a collection of Christm=
as stories.  The novel would get the heading "Christmas - Fiction" were tha=
t not unacceptable, so it gets "Christmas stories.")



Does this sound correct?



Pete Wilson

Vanderbilt University













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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Cronquist, Michelle J<br>
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ypes of records drive me crazy!&nbsp; Often I would like to use a subject h=
eading like Lawyers--Fiction, but the authority record causes it to flip to=
 Legal stories (which is not necessarily
 appropriate for the work I'm cataloging).&nbsp; Now that we have LCGFT, I =
wonder if it should be proposed to have these 450s removed.&nbsp; Then we c=
ould use Lawyers--Fiction, Christmas--Fiction, or Hunting--Fiction if we wa=
nt to, and additionally apply the LCGFT term
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<b>Subject:</b> [PCCLIST] &quot;Christmas stories&quot; and similar subject=
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<p class=3D"xmsonormal">Hi,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">There are certain LCSH headings like &#8220;Christm=
as stories&#8221; and &#8220;Hunting stories&#8221; which have long worried=
 me a bit.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">These headings have the cross references &#8220;Chr=
istmas &#8211; Fiction&#8221; and &#8220;Hunting &#8211; Fiction.&#8221;&nb=
sp; If you want to use a subject heading to say that a work is fiction abou=
t Christmas, you&#8217;re led through the cross reference to the 150 &#8220=
;Christmas stories.&#8221;
 &nbsp;That&#8217;s used instead of the topic &#43; form combination &#8220=
;Christmas &#8211; Fiction.&#8221;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">Yet &#8220;Christmas stories&#8221; looks very like=
 a form/genre heading. &nbsp;And there&#8217;s already a perfectly good LCG=
FT heading, &#8220;Christmas fiction.&#8221;&nbsp; So do you abandon your 6=
50, instead using only a 655, &#8220;Christmas fiction?&#8221;<o:p></o:p></=
p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">My guess is no.&nbsp; Why should we not have a 650 =
to say that what we&#8217;re cataloging is about Christmas?&nbsp; We routin=
ely give topical headings, subdivided&nbsp; by form, to works of fiction, a=
nd &#8220;Christmas stories&#8221; is the authority-mandated substitute
 here for the topical heading &#8220;Christmas&#8221; subdivided by form &#=
8220;fiction.&#8221;&nbsp; I&#8217;m thinking that &#8220;Christmas stories=
&#8221; is perfectly acceptable as a 650 for a novel about Christmas.&nbsp;=
 (Not just for a collection of Christmas stories.&nbsp; The novel would get=
 the heading &#8220;Christmas
 &#8211; Fiction&#8221; were that not unacceptable, so it gets &#8220;Chris=
tmas stories.&#8221;)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">Does this sound correct?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">Pete Wilson<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">Vanderbilt University<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
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Michelle,

Thanks.   I did have the "Special Provisions" in mind when thinking about m=
y question.  As you say, they are much looser than section 4 of H 1790, and=
 certainly seem to me to allow the use of a topical heading for Christmas i=
n a record for a novel about Christmas.  It seems to me that if "Christmas =
- Fiction" would be allowed by these provisions, the preferred "Christmas s=
tories" ought to be acceptable in its place.

Pete Wilson
Vanderbilt University

From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging <[log in to unmask]> On Beha=
lf Of Cronquist, Michelle J
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 3:37 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] "Christmas stories" and similar subject headings

I think the "SPECIAL PROVISIONS FOR INCREASED SUBJECT ACCESS TO FICTION" at=
 the end of H 1790 are actually the current guidelines for applying subject=
 headings to fiction, which are much more permissive than the section 4 tha=
t Mike references below.

---
Michelle Cronquist (she/her/hers)
Special Collections Cataloger
Special Collections Technical Services
CB#3926, Wilson Library
University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill

919-962-4271

From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging <[log in to unmask]<mailto:P=
[log in to unmask]>> On Behalf Of Monaco,Michael J
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 3:53 PM
To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] "Christmas stories" and similar subject headings

H 1790 section 4 does put fairly strict limits on SH for individual works o=
f fiction. (Only used for biographical and historical fiction, basically.) =
The "Special provisions" at the end of H 1790 still refer to GSAFD headings=
, so IMO the section needs updating.

But per H 1790 section 4, you still only use very specific 650s. So "650 De=
er hunting - Fiction" is ok, but "Hunting-Fiction" is too general. 655s are=
 generally fine. If I understand H 1790.

Mike Monaco (he/him)
Coordinator, Cataloging Services
261B Bierce Library
The University of Akron
Akron, Ohio 44325-1712
Office: 330-972-2446
[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Michelle,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks.&nbsp; &nbsp;I did have the &#8220;Special Pr=
ovisions&#8221; in mind when thinking about my question.&nbsp; As you say, =
they are much looser than section 4 of H 1790, and certainly seem to me to =
allow the use of a topical heading for Christmas in a record
 for a novel about Christmas.&nbsp; It seems to me that if &#8220;Christmas=
 &#8211; Fiction&#8221; would be allowed by these provisions, the preferred=
 &#8220;Christmas stories&#8221; ought to be acceptable in its place.<o:p><=
/o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Pete Wilson<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Vanderbilt University<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Program for Cooperative Cataloging &lt;=
[log in to unmask]&gt;
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Cronquist, Michelle J<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 24, 2020 3:37 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> [log in to unmask]<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [PCCLIST] &quot;Christmas stories&quot; and similar sub=
ject headings<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I think the &#8220;<a name=3D"ScmsubjUNDERSCORE11602=
">SPECIAL PROVISIONS FOR INCREASED SUBJECT ACCESS TO FICTION</a>&#8221; at =
the end of H 1790 are actually the current guidelines for applying subject =
headings to fiction, which are much more permissive
 than the section 4 that Mike references below.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">---<o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Michelle Cronquist (sh=
e/her/hers)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Special Collections Ca=
taloger</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Special Collections Te=
chnical Services</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">CB#3926, Wilson Librar=
y</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">University of North Ca=
rolina at Chapel Hill</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">919-962-4271</span><o:=
p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Program for Cooperative Cataloging &lt;=
<a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>&gt=
;
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Monaco,Michael J<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 24, 2020 3:53 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]
.GOV</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [PCCLIST] &quot;Christmas stories&quot; and similar sub=
ject headings<o:p></o:p></p>
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</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D">H 179=
0 section 4 does put fairly strict limits on SH for individual works of fic=
tion. (Only used for biographical and historical fiction, basically.) The &=
#8220;Special provisions&#8221; at the end of H
 1790 still refer to GSAFD headings, so IMO the section needs updating. <o:=
p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D"><o:p>=
&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D">But p=
er H 1790 section 4, you still only use very specific 650s. So &#8220;650 D=
eer hunting &#8211; Fiction&#8221; is ok, but &#8220;Hunting&#8212;Fiction&=
#8221; is too general. 655s are generally fine. If I understand H 1790.<o:p=
></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D"><o:p>=
&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Coordinator, Catalogin=
g Services<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">261B Bierce Library<o:=
p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">The University of Akro=
n<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Akron, Ohio 44325-1712=
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Office: 330-972-2446<o=
:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">mmonaco@uakron=
.edu</a><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D;backgr=
ound:white">ORCID: 0000-0001-7244-5154
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Could you just have a subject heading of Christmas, and let other parts of =
the record show that it is fiction?

                                                                           =
     Steve McDonald
                                                                           =
     [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>


From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging <[log in to unmask]> On Beha=
lf Of Wilson, Pete
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 5:23 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] "Christmas stories" and similar subject headings

Michelle,

Thanks.   I did have the "Special Provisions" in mind when thinking about m=
y question.  As you say, they are much looser than section 4 of H 1790, and=
 certainly seem to me to allow the use of a topical heading for Christmas i=
n a record for a novel about Christmas.  It seems to me that if "Christmas =
- Fiction" would be allowed by these provisions, the preferred "Christmas s=
tories" ought to be acceptable in its place.

Pete Wilson
Vanderbilt University

From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging <[log in to unmask]<mailto:P=
[log in to unmask]>> On Behalf Of Cronquist, Michelle J
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 3:37 PM
To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] "Christmas stories" and similar subject headings

I think the "SPECIAL PROVISIONS FOR INCREASED SUBJECT ACCESS TO FICTION" at=
 the end of H 1790 are actually the current guidelines for applying subject=
 headings to fiction, which are much more permissive than the section 4 tha=
t Mike references below.

---
Michelle Cronquist (she/her/hers)
Special Collections Cataloger
Special Collections Technical Services
CB#3926, Wilson Library
University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill

919-962-4271

From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging <[log in to unmask]<mailto:P=
[log in to unmask]>> On Behalf Of Monaco,Michael J
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 3:53 PM
To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] "Christmas stories" and similar subject headings

H 1790 section 4 does put fairly strict limits on SH for individual works o=
f fiction. (Only used for biographical and historical fiction, basically.) =
The "Special provisions" at the end of H 1790 still refer to GSAFD headings=
, so IMO the section needs updating.

But per H 1790 section 4, you still only use very specific 650s. So "650 De=
er hunting - Fiction" is ok, but "Hunting-Fiction" is too general. 655s are=
 generally fine. If I understand H 1790.

Mike Monaco (he/him)
Coordinator, Cataloging Services
261B Bierce Library
The University of Akron
Akron, Ohio 44325-1712
Office: 330-972-2446
[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Could you just have a subject heading of Christmas, =
and let other parts of the record show that it is fiction?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Program for Cooperative Cataloging &lt;=
[log in to unmask]&gt;
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Wilson, Pete<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 24, 2020 5:23 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> [log in to unmask]<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [PCCLIST] &quot;Christmas stories&quot; and similar sub=
ject headings<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Michelle,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks.&nbsp; &nbsp;I did have the &#8220;Special Pr=
ovisions&#8221; in mind when thinking about my question.&nbsp; As you say, =
they are much looser than section 4 of H 1790, and certainly seem to me to =
allow the use of a topical heading for Christmas in a record
 for a novel about Christmas.&nbsp; It seems to me that if &#8220;Christmas=
 &#8211; Fiction&#8221; would be allowed by these provisions, the preferred=
 &#8220;Christmas stories&#8221; ought to be acceptable in its place.<o:p><=
/o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Pete Wilson<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Vanderbilt University<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Program for Cooperative Cataloging &lt;=
<a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>&gt=
;
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Cronquist, Michelle J<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 24, 2020 3:37 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]
.GOV</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [PCCLIST] &quot;Christmas stories&quot; and similar sub=
ject headings<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I think the &#8220;<a name=3D"ScmsubjUNDERSCORE11602=
">SPECIAL PROVISIONS FOR INCREASED SUBJECT ACCESS TO FICTION</a>&#8221; at =
the end of H 1790 are actually the current guidelines for applying subject =
headings to fiction, which are much more permissive
 than the section 4 that Mike references below.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">---<o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Michelle Cronquist (sh=
e/her/hers)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Special Collections Ca=
taloger</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Special Collections Te=
chnical Services</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">CB#3926, Wilson Librar=
y</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">University of North Ca=
rolina at Chapel Hill</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">919-962-4271</span><o:=
p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Program for Cooperative Cataloging &lt;=
<a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>&gt=
;
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Monaco,Michael J<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 24, 2020 3:53 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]
.GOV</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [PCCLIST] &quot;Christmas stories&quot; and similar sub=
ject headings<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D">H 179=
0 section 4 does put fairly strict limits on SH for individual works of fic=
tion. (Only used for biographical and historical fiction, basically.) The &=
#8220;Special provisions&#8221; at the end of H
 1790 still refer to GSAFD headings, so IMO the section needs updating. <o:=
p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D"><o:p>=
&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D">But p=
er H 1790 section 4, you still only use very specific 650s. So &#8220;650 D=
eer hunting &#8211; Fiction&#8221; is ok, but &#8220;Hunting&#8212;Fiction&=
#8221; is too general. 655s are generally fine. If I understand H 1790.<o:p=
></o:p></span></p>
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Actually, LC policy would be to add the form heading for a collection of st=
ories in a 650 field in addition to the 655.

650 _0  Baseball stories.
655 _7  Sports stories. $2 lcgft

The drama headings are even more problematic, because we use $v Drama for b=
oth plays and moving image works.  So if you try to assign

650 _0  Lawyers $v Drama

it gets turned into

650 _0  Legal drama.

But Legal drama is a term restricted to plays, so for a film you can't have=
 a 650 at all with the concept.

I have suggested to LC in the past that they delete the UF references so th=
at a cataloger could assign Lawyers $v Fiction or Lawyers $v Drama to an in=
dividual work and then add the appropriate LCGFT term in 655: Legal fiction=
 (Literature), Legal drama (Literature), or Legal films or Legal television=
 programs, but they have not wanted to make such a change.  And it would st=
ill leave the headings Legal fiction and Legal drama in LCSH to be used for=
 works ABOUT those genres.  That might also be difficult for catalogers to =
apply, however, and could result in people including both Legal fiction and=
 Lawyers--Fiction to a record.  Which might not be too terrible really.

Adam Schiff
Principal Cataloger
University of Washington Libraries
________________________________
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lf of Monaco,Michael J <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 12:53 PM
To: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: "Christmas stories" and similar subject headings


H 1790 section 4 does put fairly strict limits on SH for individual works o=
f fiction. (Only used for biographical and historical fiction, basically.) =
The =93Special provisions=94 at the end of H 1790 still refer to GSAFD head=
ings, so IMO the section needs updating.



But per H 1790 section 4, you still only use very specific 650s. So =93650 =
Deer hunting =96 Fiction=94 is ok, but =93Hunting=97Fiction=94 is too gener=
al. 655s are generally fine. If I understand H 1790.



Mike Monaco (he/him)

Coordinator, Cataloging Services

261B Bierce Library

The University of Akron

Akron, Ohio 44325-1712

Office: 330-972-2446

[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>

ORCID: 0000-0001-7244-5154



From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging <[log in to unmask]> On Beha=
lf Of Wilson, Pete
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 2:50 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: [PCCLIST] "Christmas stories" and similar subject headings



CAUTION: This email originated from outside of The University of Akron.

Hi,



There are certain LCSH headings like =93Christmas stories=94 and =93Hunting=
 stories=94 which have long worried me a bit.



These headings have the cross references =93Christmas =96 Fiction=94 and =
=93Hunting =96 Fiction.=94  If you want to use a subject heading to say tha=
t a work is fiction about Christmas, you=92re led through the cross referen=
ce to the 150 =93Christmas stories.=94  That=92s used instead of the topic =
+ form combination =93Christmas =96 Fiction.=94



Yet =93Christmas stories=94 looks very like a form/genre heading.  And ther=
e=92s already a perfectly good LCGFT heading, =93Christmas fiction.=94  So =
do you abandon your 650, instead using only a 655, =93Christmas fiction?=94



My guess is no.  Why should we not have a 650 to say that what we=92re cata=
loging is about Christmas?  We routinely give topical headings, subdivided =
 by form, to works of fiction, and =93Christmas stories=94 is the authority=
-mandated substitute here for the topical heading =93Christmas=94 subdivide=
d by form =93fiction.=94  I=92m thinking that =93Christmas stories=94 is pe=
rfectly acceptable as a 650 for a novel about Christmas.  (Not just for a c=
ollection of Christmas stories.  The novel would get the heading =93Christm=
as =96 Fiction=94 were that not unacceptable, so it gets =93Christmas stori=
es.=94)



Does this sound correct?



Pete Wilson

Vanderbilt University















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I have suggested to LC in the past that they delete the UF references so th=
at a cataloger could assign Lawyers $v Fiction or Lawyers $v Drama to an in=
dividual work and then add the appropriate LCGFT term in 655: Legal fiction=
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ake such a change.&nbsp; And it would still leave the headings Legal fictio=
n and Legal drama in LCSH to be used for works ABOUT those genres.&nbsp; Th=
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t per H 1790 section 4, you still only use very specific 650s. So =93650 De=
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. 655s are generally fine. If I understand H 1790.</span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Wilson, Pete<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 24, 2020 2:50 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> [log in to unmask]<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [PCCLIST] &quot;Christmas stories&quot; and similar subject=
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<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">There are certain LCSH headings like =93Christmas =
stories=94 and =93Hunting stories=94 which have long worried me a bit.</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">These headings have the cross references =93Christ=
mas =96 Fiction=94 and =93Hunting =96 Fiction.=94&nbsp; If you want to use =
a subject heading to say that a work is fiction about Christmas, you=92re l=
ed through the cross reference to the 150 =93Christmas
 stories.=94 &nbsp;That=92s used instead of the topic &#43; form combinatio=
n =93Christmas =96 Fiction.=94</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">Yet =93Christmas stories=94 looks very like a form=
/genre heading. &nbsp;And there=92s already a perfectly good LCGFT heading,=
 =93Christmas fiction.=94&nbsp; So do you abandon your 650, instead using o=
nly a 655, =93Christmas fiction?=94</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">My guess is no.&nbsp; Why should we not have a 650=
 to say that what we=92re cataloging is about Christmas?&nbsp; We routinely=
 give topical headings, subdivided&nbsp; by form, to works of fiction, and =
=93Christmas stories=94 is the authority-mandated substitute
 here for the topical heading =93Christmas=94 subdivided by form =93fiction=
.=94&nbsp; I=92m thinking that =93Christmas stories=94 is perfectly accepta=
ble as a 650 for a novel about Christmas.&nbsp; (Not just for a collection =
of Christmas stories.&nbsp; The novel would get the heading =93Christmas
 =96 Fiction=94 were that not unacceptable, so it gets =93Christmas stories=
.=94)</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">Does this sound correct?</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">Pete Wilson</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">Vanderbilt University</p>
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I would LOVE to be able to apply Christmas Stories to a work *about* the sp=
ecific genre of Christmas stories and Christmas-fiction to a novel where Ch=
ristmas features prominently.

Jessica

From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging <[log in to unmask]> On Beha=
lf Of Adam L Schiff
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 5:29 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] "Christmas stories" and similar subject headings

Actually, LC policy would be to add the form heading for a collection of st=
ories in a 650 field in addition to the 655.

650 _0  Baseball stories.
655 _7  Sports stories. $2 lcgft

The drama headings are even more problematic, because we use $v Drama for b=
oth plays and moving image works.  So if you try to assign

650 _0  Lawyers $v Drama

it gets turned into

650 _0  Legal drama.

But Legal drama is a term restricted to plays, so for a film you can't have=
 a 650 at all with the concept.

I have suggested to LC in the past that they delete the UF references so th=
at a cataloger could assign Lawyers $v Fiction or Lawyers $v Drama to an in=
dividual work and then add the appropriate LCGFT term in 655: Legal fiction=
 (Literature), Legal drama (Literature), or Legal films or Legal television=
 programs, but they have not wanted to make such a change.  And it would st=
ill leave the headings Legal fiction and Legal drama in LCSH to be used for=
 works ABOUT those genres.  That might also be difficult for catalogers to =
apply, however, and could result in people including both Legal fiction and=
 Lawyers--Fiction to a record.  Which might not be too terrible really.

Adam Schiff
Principal Cataloger
University of Washington Libraries
________________________________
From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging <[log in to unmask]<mailto:P=
[log in to unmask]>> on behalf of Monaco,Michael J <[log in to unmask]
<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 12:53 PM
To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> <PCCLIST@LIST=
SERV.LOC.GOV<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
Subject: Re: "Christmas stories" and similar subject headings


H 1790 section 4 does put fairly strict limits on SH for individual works o=
f fiction. (Only used for biographical and historical fiction, basically.) =
The "Special provisions" at the end of H 1790 still refer to GSAFD headings=
, so IMO the section needs updating.



But per H 1790 section 4, you still only use very specific 650s. So "650 De=
er hunting - Fiction" is ok, but "Hunting-Fiction" is too general. 655s are=
 generally fine. If I understand H 1790.



Mike Monaco (he/him)

Coordinator, Cataloging Services

261B Bierce Library

The University of Akron

Akron, Ohio 44325-1712

Office: 330-972-2446

[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>

ORCID: 0000-0001-7244-5154



From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging <[log in to unmask]<mailto:P=
[log in to unmask]>> On Behalf Of Wilson, Pete
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 2:50 PM
To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
Subject: [PCCLIST] "Christmas stories" and similar subject headings



CAUTION: This email originated from outside of The University of Akron.

Hi,



There are certain LCSH headings like "Christmas stories" and "Hunting stori=
es" which have long worried me a bit.



These headings have the cross references "Christmas - Fiction" and "Hunting=
 - Fiction."  If you want to use a subject heading to say that a work is fi=
ction about Christmas, you're led through the cross reference to the 150 "C=
hristmas stories."  That's used instead of the topic + form combination "Ch=
ristmas - Fiction."



Yet "Christmas stories" looks very like a form/genre heading.  And there's =
already a perfectly good LCGFT heading, "Christmas fiction."  So do you aba=
ndon your 650, instead using only a 655, "Christmas fiction?"



My guess is no.  Why should we not have a 650 to say that what we're catalo=
ging is about Christmas?  We routinely give topical headings, subdivided  b=
y form, to works of fiction, and "Christmas stories" is the authority-manda=
ted substitute here for the topical heading "Christmas" subdivided by form =
"fiction."  I'm thinking that "Christmas stories" is perfectly acceptable a=
s a 650 for a novel about Christmas.  (Not just for a collection of Christm=
as stories.  The novel would get the heading "Christmas - Fiction" were tha=
t not unacceptable, so it gets "Christmas stories.")



Does this sound correct?



Pete Wilson

Vanderbilt University















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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I would LOVE to be able to apply Chri=
stmas Stories to a work *<b>about</b>* the specific genre of Christmas stor=
ies and Christmas&#8212;fiction to a novel where Christmas
 features prominently. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Jessica<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;=
font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"> Program for Cooperative Catalo=
ging &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Adam L Schiff<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 24, 2020 5:29 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> [log in to unmask]<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [PCCLIST] &quot;Christmas stories&quot; and similar sub=
ject headings<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif;color:black">Actually, LC policy would be to add the form heading for=
 a collection of stories in a 650 field in addition to the 655.<o:p></o:p><=
/span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif;color:black">650 _0&nbsp; Baseball stories.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif;color:black">655 _7&nbsp; Sports stories. $2 lcgft<o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif;color:black">The drama headings are even more problematic, because we=
 use $v Drama for both plays and moving image works.&nbsp; So if you try to=
 assign<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif;color:black">650 _0&nbsp; Lawyers $v Drama<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif;color:black">it gets turned into<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif;color:black">650 _0&nbsp; Legal drama.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif;color:black">But Legal drama is a term restricted to plays, so for a =
film you can't have a 650 at all with the concept.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif;color:black">I have suggested to LC in the past that they delete the =
UF references so that a cataloger could assign Lawyers $v Fiction or Lawyer=
s $v Drama to an individual work and then add
 the appropriate LCGFT term in 655: Legal fiction (Literature), Legal drama=
 (Literature), or Legal films or Legal television programs, but they have n=
ot wanted to make such a change.&nbsp; And it would still leave the heading=
s Legal fiction and Legal drama in LCSH
 to be used for works ABOUT those genres.&nbsp; That might also be difficul=
t for catalogers to apply, however, and could result in people including bo=
th Legal fiction and Lawyers--Fiction to a record.&nbsp; Which might not be=
 too terrible really.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif;color:black">Adam Schiff<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif;color:black">Principal Cataloger<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif;color:black">University of Washington Libraries<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-=
size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"> Progra=
m for Cooperative Cataloging &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]
">[log in to unmask]</a>&gt;
 on behalf of Monaco,Michael J &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">mm=
[log in to unmask]</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 24, 2020 12:53 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]
.GOV</a> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]
OC.GOV</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: &quot;Christmas stories&quot; and similar subject headi=
ngs</span> <o:p>
</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D">H 17=
90 section 4 does put fairly strict limits on SH for individual works of fi=
ction. (Only used for biographical and historical fiction, basically.) The =
&#8220;Special provisions&#8221; at the end of H
 1790 still refer to GSAFD headings, so IMO the section needs updating. </s=
pan><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D">&nbs=
p;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D">But =
per H 1790 section 4, you still only use very specific 650s. So &#8220;650 =
Deer hunting &#8211; Fiction&#8221; is ok, but &#8220;Hunting&#8212;Fiction=
&#8221; is too general. 655s are generally fine. If I understand H 1790.</s=
pan><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D">&nbs=
p;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Mike Monaco (he/him)<=
/span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Coordinator, Catalogi=
ng Services</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">261B Bierce Library</=
span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">The University of Akr=
on</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Akron, Ohio 44325-171=
2</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Office: 330-972-2446<=
/span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">mmonaco@uakro=
n.edu</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D;backg=
round:white">ORCID: 0000-0001-7244-5154
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D">&nbs=
p;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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0in 0in">
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><b>From:</b> Program for Cooperative Cataloging &lt=
;<a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>&g=
t;
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Wilson, Pete<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 24, 2020 2:50 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]
.GOV</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [PCCLIST] &quot;Christmas stories&quot; and similar subject=
 headings<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-=
size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;color:black;backg=
round:yellow">CAUTION: This email originated from outside of The University=
 of Akron.</span><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times Ne=
w Roman&quot;,serif">
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"xmsonormal">Hi,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">There are certain LCSH headings like &#8220;Christm=
as stories&#8221; and &#8220;Hunting stories&#8221; which have long worried=
 me a bit.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">These headings have the cross references &#8220;Chr=
istmas &#8211; Fiction&#8221; and &#8220;Hunting &#8211; Fiction.&#8221;&nb=
sp; If you want to use a subject heading to say that a work is fiction abou=
t Christmas, you&#8217;re led through the cross reference to the 150 &#8220=
;Christmas stories.&#8221;
 &nbsp;That&#8217;s used instead of the topic &#43; form combination &#8220=
;Christmas &#8211; Fiction.&#8221;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">Yet &#8220;Christmas stories&#8221; looks very like=
 a form/genre heading. &nbsp;And there&#8217;s already a perfectly good LCG=
FT heading, &#8220;Christmas fiction.&#8221;&nbsp; So do you abandon your 6=
50, instead using only a 655, &#8220;Christmas fiction?&#8221;<o:p></o:p></=
p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">My guess is no.&nbsp; Why should we not have a 650 =
to say that what we&#8217;re cataloging is about Christmas?&nbsp; We routin=
ely give topical headings, subdivided&nbsp; by form, to works of fiction, a=
nd &#8220;Christmas stories&#8221; is the authority-mandated substitute
 here for the topical heading &#8220;Christmas&#8221; subdivided by form &#=
8220;fiction.&#8221;&nbsp; I&#8217;m thinking that &#8220;Christmas stories=
&#8221; is perfectly acceptable as a 650 for a novel about Christmas.&nbsp;=
 (Not just for a collection of Christmas stories.&nbsp; The novel would get=
 the heading &#8220;Christmas
 &#8211; Fiction&#8221; were that not unacceptable, so it gets &#8220;Chris=
tmas stories.&#8221;)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">Does this sound correct?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">Pete Wilson<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">Vanderbilt University<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
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I'd like to be able to apply "Ghosts |v Drama" when cataloging DVDs/Blu-ray=
s of films like "The Ghost and Mrs. Muir" instead of having it default to "=
Ghost plays." The latter makes it hard to distinguish between movies and, w=
ell, plays as well as between plays about/featuring ghosts and works about =
plays about/featuring ghosts. If this flummoxes catalogers, I can imagine h=
ow patrons and non-cataloger librarians and library staff trying to help pa=
trons find these materials must feel.

Eduardo Fojo
Media Cataloger Librarian, FIU Library
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lf of Jessica Janecki <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 5:34 PM
To: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] "Christmas stories" and similar subject headings


Note: This message originated from outside the FIU Faculty/Staff email syst=
em.


I would LOVE to be able to apply Christmas Stories to a work *about* the sp=
ecific genre of Christmas stories and Christmas=97fiction to a novel where =
Christmas features prominently.



Jessica



From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging <[log in to unmask]> On Beha=
lf Of Adam L Schiff
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 5:29 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] "Christmas stories" and similar subject headings



Actually, LC policy would be to add the form heading for a collection of st=
ories in a 650 field in addition to the 655.



650 _0  Baseball stories.

655 _7  Sports stories. $2 lcgft



The drama headings are even more problematic, because we use $v Drama for b=
oth plays and moving image works.  So if you try to assign



650 _0  Lawyers $v Drama



it gets turned into



650 _0  Legal drama.



But Legal drama is a term restricted to plays, so for a film you can't have=
 a 650 at all with the concept.



I have suggested to LC in the past that they delete the UF references so th=
at a cataloger could assign Lawyers $v Fiction or Lawyers $v Drama to an in=
dividual work and then add the appropriate LCGFT term in 655: Legal fiction=
 (Literature), Legal drama (Literature), or Legal films or Legal television=
 programs, but they have not wanted to make such a change.  And it would st=
ill leave the headings Legal fiction and Legal drama in LCSH to be used for=
 works ABOUT those genres.  That might also be difficult for catalogers to =
apply, however, and could result in people including both Legal fiction and=
 Lawyers--Fiction to a record.  Which might not be too terrible really.



Adam Schiff

Principal Cataloger

University of Washington Libraries

________________________________

From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging <[log in to unmask]<mailto:P=
[log in to unmask]>> on behalf of Monaco,Michael J <[log in to unmask]
<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 12:53 PM
To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> <PCCLIST@LIST=
SERV.LOC.GOV<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
Subject: Re: "Christmas stories" and similar subject headings



H 1790 section 4 does put fairly strict limits on SH for individual works o=
f fiction. (Only used for biographical and historical fiction, basically.) =
The =93Special provisions=94 at the end of H 1790 still refer to GSAFD head=
ings, so IMO the section needs updating.



But per H 1790 section 4, you still only use very specific 650s. So =93650 =
Deer hunting =96 Fiction=94 is ok, but =93Hunting=97Fiction=94 is too gener=
al. 655s are generally fine. If I understand H 1790.



Mike Monaco (he/him)

Coordinator, Cataloging Services

261B Bierce Library

The University of Akron

Akron, Ohio 44325-1712

Office: 330-972-2446

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ORCID: 0000-0001-7244-5154



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Subject: [PCCLIST] "Christmas stories" and similar subject headings



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Hi,



There are certain LCSH headings like =93Christmas stories=94 and =93Hunting=
 stories=94 which have long worried me a bit.



These headings have the cross references =93Christmas =96 Fiction=94 and =
=93Hunting =96 Fiction.=94  If you want to use a subject heading to say tha=
t a work is fiction about Christmas, you=92re led through the cross referen=
ce to the 150 =93Christmas stories.=94  That=92s used instead of the topic =
+ form combination =93Christmas =96 Fiction.=94



Yet =93Christmas stories=94 looks very like a form/genre heading.  And ther=
e=92s already a perfectly good LCGFT heading, =93Christmas fiction.=94  So =
do you abandon your 650, instead using only a 655, =93Christmas fiction?=94



My guess is no.  Why should we not have a 650 to say that what we=92re cata=
loging is about Christmas?  We routinely give topical headings, subdivided =
 by form, to works of fiction, and =93Christmas stories=94 is the authority=
-mandated substitute here for the topical heading =93Christmas=94 subdivide=
d by form =93fiction.=94  I=92m thinking that =93Christmas stories=94 is pe=
rfectly acceptable as a 650 for a novel about Christmas.  (Not just for a c=
ollection of Christmas stories.  The novel would get the heading =93Christm=
as =96 Fiction=94 were that not unacceptable, so it gets =93Christmas stori=
es.=94)



Does this sound correct?



Pete Wilson

Vanderbilt University















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<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif; color:#1F497D">I would LOVE to be able to apply =
Christmas Stories to a work *<b>about</b>* the specific genre of Christmas =
stories and Christmas=97fiction to a novel where
 Christmas features prominently. </span></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:&quot=
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taloging &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Adam L Schiff<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 24, 2020 5:29 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> [log in to unmask]<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [PCCLIST] &quot;Christmas stories&quot; and similar sub=
ject headings</span></p>
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<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
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<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,san=
s-serif; color:black">Actually, LC policy would be to add the form heading =
for a collection of stories in a 650 field in addition to the 655.</span></=
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<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,san=
s-serif; color:black">650 _0&nbsp; Baseball stories.</span></p>
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<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,san=
s-serif; color:black">655 _7&nbsp; Sports stories. $2 lcgft</span></p>
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s-serif; color:black">&nbsp;</span></p>
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<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,san=
s-serif; color:black">The drama headings are even more problematic, because=
 we use $v Drama for both plays and moving image works.&nbsp; So if you try=
 to assign</span></p>
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<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,san=
s-serif; color:black">&nbsp;</span></p>
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<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,san=
s-serif; color:black">650 _0&nbsp; Lawyers $v Drama</span></p>
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<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,san=
s-serif; color:black">it gets turned into</span></p>
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<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,san=
s-serif; color:black">&nbsp;</span></p>
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<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,san=
s-serif; color:black">650 _0&nbsp; Legal drama.</span></p>
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s-serif; color:black">&nbsp;</span></p>
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<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,san=
s-serif; color:black">But Legal drama is a term restricted to plays, so for=
 a film you can't have a 650 at all with the concept.</span></p>
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<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,san=
s-serif; color:black">I have suggested to LC in the past that they delete t=
he UF references so that a cataloger could assign Lawyers $v Fiction or Law=
yers $v Drama to an individual work and then add
 the appropriate LCGFT term in 655: Legal fiction (Literature), Legal drama=
 (Literature), or Legal films or Legal television programs, but they have n=
ot wanted to make such a change.&nbsp; And it would still leave the heading=
s Legal fiction and Legal drama in LCSH
 to be used for works ABOUT those genres.&nbsp; That might also be difficul=
t for catalogers to apply, however, and could result in people including bo=
th Legal fiction and Lawyers--Fiction to a record.&nbsp; Which might not be=
 too terrible really.</span></p>
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s-serif; color:black">&nbsp;</span></p>
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<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,san=
s-serif; color:black">Adam Schiff</span></p>
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<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,san=
s-serif; color:black">Principal Cataloger</span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 24, 2020 12:53 PM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: &quot;Christmas stories&quot; and similar subject headi=
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<p class=3D"x_xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; color:#1F497D">H=
 1790 section 4 does put fairly strict limits on SH for individual works of=
 fiction. (Only used for biographical and historical fiction, basically.) T=
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 H 1790 still refer to GSAFD headings, so IMO the section needs updating. <=
/span>
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ut per H 1790 section 4, you still only use very specific 650s. So =93650 D=
eer hunting =96 Fiction=94 is ok, but =93Hunting=97Fiction=94 is too genera=
l. 655s are generally fine. If I understand H 1790.</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; color:#1F497D">&=
nbsp;</span></p>
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<p class=3D"x_xmsonormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Mike Monaco (he/him=
)</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_xmsonormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Coordinator, Catalo=
ging Services</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_xmsonormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">261B Bierce Library=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_xmsonormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">The University of A=
kron</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_xmsonormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Akron, Ohio 44325-1=
712</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_xmsonormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Office: 330-972-244=
6</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_xmsonormal"><a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">mmonaco@uak=
ron.edu</a></p>
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ackground:white">ORCID: 0000-0001-7244-5154
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lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>=
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Wilson, Pete<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 24, 2020 2:50 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]
.GOV</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [PCCLIST] &quot;Christmas stories&quot; and similar subject=
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<p class=3D"x_xmsonormal">Hi,</p>
<p class=3D"x_xmsonormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"x_xmsonormal">There are certain LCSH headings like =93Christmas=
 stories=94 and =93Hunting stories=94 which have long worried me a bit.</p>
<p class=3D"x_xmsonormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"x_xmsonormal">These headings have the cross references =93Chris=
tmas =96 Fiction=94 and =93Hunting =96 Fiction.=94&nbsp; If you want to use=
 a subject heading to say that a work is fiction about Christmas, you=92re =
led through the cross reference to the 150 =93Christmas
 stories.=94 &nbsp;That=92s used instead of the topic &#43; form combinatio=
n =93Christmas =96 Fiction.=94</p>
<p class=3D"x_xmsonormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"x_xmsonormal">Yet =93Christmas stories=94 looks very like a for=
m/genre heading. &nbsp;And there=92s already a perfectly good LCGFT heading=
, =93Christmas fiction.=94&nbsp; So do you abandon your 650, instead using =
only a 655, =93Christmas fiction?=94</p>
<p class=3D"x_xmsonormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"x_xmsonormal">My guess is no.&nbsp; Why should we not have a 65=
0 to say that what we=92re cataloging is about Christmas?&nbsp; We routinel=
y give topical headings, subdivided&nbsp; by form, to works of fiction, and=
 =93Christmas stories=94 is the authority-mandated substitute
 here for the topical heading =93Christmas=94 subdivided by form =93fiction=
.=94&nbsp; I=92m thinking that =93Christmas stories=94 is perfectly accepta=
ble as a 650 for a novel about Christmas.&nbsp; (Not just for a collection =
of Christmas stories.&nbsp; The novel would get the heading =93Christmas
 =96 Fiction=94 were that not unacceptable, so it gets =93Christmas stories=
.=94)</p>
<p class=3D"x_xmsonormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"x_xmsonormal">Does this sound correct?</p>
<p class=3D"x_xmsonormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"x_xmsonormal">Pete Wilson</p>
<p class=3D"x_xmsonormal">Vanderbilt University</p>
<p class=3D"x_xmsonormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"x_xmsonormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"x_xmsonormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"x_xmsonormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"x_xmsonormal">&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"x_xmsonormal">&nbsp;</p>
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Yes, this is exactly the sort of thing our media catalogers regularly compl=
ain about to me.  Ghost plays is not an appropriate heading to include on a=
 record for a film.  In 2019 we made a SACO proposal to try to resolve one =
of these kinds of problems that was not approved:

June 2019 Summary of Decisions:


Dystopian plays

This proposal was made to remove the UFs Dystopias=97Drama and Dystopias=97=
Juvenile drama from the established heading. The references follow a well-e=
stablished pattern in LCSH.  The proposal included a cataloger=92s note opi=
ning that the UFs needed to be removed so that Dystopias=97Drama could be a=
ssigned to a television program. The genre/form term Dystopian television p=
rograms was created for this purpose and should be assigned to the work bei=
ng cataloged. The proposal was not approved.


It's the same situation that you note about ghost plays.  The cataloger wan=
ted to assign Dystopias--Drama to a DVD for a television program.  That fli=
ps to Dystopian plays, which is not appropriate.  Therefore, subject access=
 for fictional moving image works that are about dystopias is lost.  The su=
bject serves a different purpose from the genre/form heading and is faceted=
 and indexed differently in most discovery systems.


There's also a lot of inconsistency that could be confusing to clients.  Fo=
r example, as someone noted, you can subdivide some sports by $v Fiction, b=
ut not others.  LCSH has Baseball stories, Basketball stories, Boxing stori=
es, Cricket stories, Figure skating stories, Fishing stories, Football stor=
ies, Golf stories, Hockey stories, Hunting stories, Soccer stories, and Ten=
nis stories, so you cannot subdivide any of those sports by $v Fiction or $=
v Juvenile fiction. But you may use these form subdivisions with other spor=
ts like Gymnastics, Karate, Swimming, Track and field, and Volleyball.  One=
 way around the problem is to assign class of persons headings subdivided b=
y literary form (e.g., Baseball players--Fiction).  That will work for spor=
ts, but won't always be appropriate, as you could have a baseball story tha=
t isn't about baseball players or other baseball personnel.   But as we saw=
 with the case of lawyers, it won't work for legal fiction.  There's also a=
 lot of inconsistency in UF references as to whether there is a variant fro=
m a class of persons.  Legal fiction has UF Lawyers--Fiction, but Medical f=
iction does not have a UF Physicians--Fiction or UF Medical personnel--Fict=
ion.  Others have pointed out that a literary work that may have ghosts or =
a Christmas setting might not be considered a ghost or Christmas story, esp=
ecially if that content is not the primary aspect of the fiction.  The cata=
loger might still want to bring out that aspect if it accounts for 20% or m=
ore of the work (per the SHM).


Ultimately, I think when LC implements LCGFT for literature they may be mor=
e inclined to deal with these kinds of structural problems in LCSH, althoug=
h I'm surprised it hasn't been raised by their catalogers of moving image m=
aterials (but maybe they don't do much subject analysis of fiction films). =
 I understand why headings like Baseball stories and Dystopian plays are ne=
eded, since there are bibliographies and works of criticism about them, but=
 the UFs in the records are very problematic and hopefully some day will be=
 removed.  At such time I would hope that a scope note would be added to th=
e headings that says that they may only be used as topical headings with ap=
propriate subdivisions like $v Bibliography or $x History and criticism.  I=
 do think that LC subject specialists would be in agreement that we need to=
 get away from assigning form/genre headings from LCSH in field 650 unless =
the heading is truly the subject of the resource.  Put subjects in 650 and =
genre/form in 655.  If we do that, Baseball $v Fiction should be perfectly =
ok in 655, with Baseball stories from LCSH and/or Sports fiction from LCGFT=
 in 655.

Adam Schiff
Principal Cataloger
University of Washington Libraries

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Subject: Re: "Christmas stories" and similar subject headings

I'd like to be able to apply "Ghosts |v Drama" when cataloging DVDs/Blu-ray=
s of films like "The Ghost and Mrs. Muir" instead of having it default to "=
Ghost plays." The latter makes it hard to distinguish between movies and, w=
ell, plays as well as between plays about/featuring ghosts and works about =
plays about/featuring ghosts. If this flummoxes catalogers, I can imagine h=
ow patrons and non-cataloger librarians and library staff trying to help pa=
trons find these materials must feel.

Eduardo Fojo
Media Cataloger Librarian, FIU Library
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Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] "Christmas stories" and similar subject headings


Note: This message originated from outside the FIU Faculty/Staff email syst=
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I would LOVE to be able to apply Christmas Stories to a work *about* the sp=
ecific genre of Christmas stories and Christmas=97fiction to a novel where =
Christmas features prominently.



Jessica



From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging <[log in to unmask]> On Beha=
lf Of Adam L Schiff
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 5:29 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] "Christmas stories" and similar subject headings



Actually, LC policy would be to add the form heading for a collection of st=
ories in a 650 field in addition to the 655.



650 _0  Baseball stories.

655 _7  Sports stories. $2 lcgft



The drama headings are even more problematic, because we use $v Drama for b=
oth plays and moving image works.  So if you try to assign



650 _0  Lawyers $v Drama



it gets turned into



650 _0  Legal drama.



But Legal drama is a term restricted to plays, so for a film you can't have=
 a 650 at all with the concept.



I have suggested to LC in the past that they delete the UF references so th=
at a cataloger could assign Lawyers $v Fiction or Lawyers $v Drama to an in=
dividual work and then add the appropriate LCGFT term in 655: Legal fiction=
 (Literature), Legal drama (Literature), or Legal films or Legal television=
 programs, but they have not wanted to make such a change.  And it would st=
ill leave the headings Legal fiction and Legal drama in LCSH to be used for=
 works ABOUT those genres.  That might also be difficult for catalogers to =
apply, however, and could result in people including both Legal fiction and=
 Lawyers--Fiction to a record.  Which might not be too terrible really.



Adam Schiff

Principal Cataloger

University of Washington Libraries

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Subject: Re: "Christmas stories" and similar subject headings



H 1790 section 4 does put fairly strict limits on SH for individual works o=
f fiction. (Only used for biographical and historical fiction, basically.) =
The =93Special provisions=94 at the end of H 1790 still refer to GSAFD head=
ings, so IMO the section needs updating.



But per H 1790 section 4, you still only use very specific 650s. So =93650 =
Deer hunting =96 Fiction=94 is ok, but =93Hunting=97Fiction=94 is too gener=
al. 655s are generally fine. If I understand H 1790.



Mike Monaco (he/him)

Coordinator, Cataloging Services

261B Bierce Library

The University of Akron

Akron, Ohio 44325-1712

Office: 330-972-2446

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ORCID: 0000-0001-7244-5154



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[log in to unmask]>> On Behalf Of Wilson, Pete
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 2:50 PM
To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
Subject: [PCCLIST] "Christmas stories" and similar subject headings



CAUTION: This email originated from outside of The University of Akron.

Hi,



There are certain LCSH headings like =93Christmas stories=94 and =93Hunting=
 stories=94 which have long worried me a bit.



These headings have the cross references =93Christmas =96 Fiction=94 and =
=93Hunting =96 Fiction.=94  If you want to use a subject heading to say tha=
t a work is fiction about Christmas, you=92re led through the cross referen=
ce to the 150 =93Christmas stories.=94  That=92s used instead of the topic =
+ form combination =93Christmas =96 Fiction.=94



Yet =93Christmas stories=94 looks very like a form/genre heading.  And ther=
e=92s already a perfectly good LCGFT heading, =93Christmas fiction.=94  So =
do you abandon your 650, instead using only a 655, =93Christmas fiction?=94



My guess is no.  Why should we not have a 650 to say that what we=92re cata=
loging is about Christmas?  We routinely give topical headings, subdivided =
 by form, to works of fiction, and =93Christmas stories=94 is the authority=
-mandated substitute here for the topical heading =93Christmas=94 subdivide=
d by form =93fiction.=94  I=92m thinking that =93Christmas stories=94 is pe=
rfectly acceptable as a 650 for a novel about Christmas.  (Not just for a c=
ollection of Christmas stories.  The novel would get the heading =93Christm=
as =96 Fiction=94 were that not unacceptable, so it gets =93Christmas stori=
es.=94)



Does this sound correct?



Pete Wilson

Vanderbilt University















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Yes, this is exactly the sort of thing our media catalogers regularly compl=
ain about to me.&nbsp; Ghost plays is not an appropriate heading to include=
 on a record for a film.&nbsp; In 2019 we made a SACO proposal to try to re=
solve one of these kinds of problems that
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June 2019 Summary of Decisions:</div>
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<p><em>Dystopian plays</em><br>
</p>
<p>This proposal was made to remove the UFs <em>Dystopias=97Drama</em> and =
<em>Dystopias=97Juvenile drama</em> from the established heading. The refer=
ences follow a well-established pattern in LCSH.&nbsp; The proposal include=
d a cataloger=92s note opining that the UFs
 needed to be removed so that <em>Dystopias=97Drama</em> could be assigned =
to a television program. The genre/form term
<strong>Dystopian television programs</strong> was created for this purpose=
 and should be assigned to the work being cataloged. The proposal was not a=
pproved.</p>
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<p>It's the same situation that you note about ghost plays.&nbsp; The catal=
oger wanted to assign Dystopias--Drama to a DVD for a television program.&n=
bsp; That flips to Dystopian plays, which is not appropriate.&nbsp; Therefo=
re, subject access for fictional moving image works
 that are about dystopias is lost.&nbsp; The subject serves a different pur=
pose from the genre/form heading and is faceted and indexed differently in =
most discovery systems.&nbsp;
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<p><br>
</p>
<p>There's also a lot of inconsistency that could be confusing to clients.&=
nbsp; For example, as someone noted, you can subdivide some sports by $v Fi=
ction, but not others.&nbsp; LCSH has Baseball stories, Basketball stories,=
 Boxing stories, Cricket stories, Figure skating
 stories, Fishing stories, Football stories, Golf stories, Hockey stories, =
Hunting stories, Soccer stories, and Tennis stories, so you cannot subdivid=
e any of those sports by $v Fiction or $v Juvenile fiction. But you may use=
 these form subdivisions with other
 sports like Gymnastics, Karate, Swimming,&nbsp;Track and field, and Volley=
ball.&nbsp; One way around the problem is to assign class of persons headin=
gs subdivided by literary form (e.g., Baseball players--Fiction).&nbsp; Tha=
t will work for sports, but won't always be appropriate,
 as you could have a baseball story that isn't about baseball players or ot=
her baseball personnel. &nbsp; But as we saw with the case of lawyers, it w=
on't work for legal fiction.&nbsp; There's also a lot of inconsistency in U=
F references as to whether there is a variant
 from a class of persons.&nbsp; Legal fiction has UF Lawyers--Fiction, but =
Medical fiction does not have a UF Physicians--Fiction or UF Medical person=
nel--Fiction.&nbsp; Others have pointed out that a literary work that may h=
ave ghosts or a Christmas setting might not
 be considered a ghost or Christmas story, especially if that content is no=
t the primary aspect of the fiction.&nbsp; The cataloger might still want t=
o bring out that aspect if it accounts for 20% or more of the work (per the=
 SHM).<br>
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<div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;">Ultimately, I think whe=
n LC implements LCGFT for literature they may be more inclined to deal with=
 these kinds of structural problems in LCSH, although I'm surprised it hasn=
't been raised by their catalogers
 of moving image materials (but maybe they don't do much subject analysis o=
f fiction films).&nbsp; I understand why headings like Baseball stories and=
 Dystopian plays are needed, since there are bibliographies and works of cr=
iticism about them, but the UFs in the
 records are very problematic and hopefully some day will be removed.&nbsp;=
 At such time I would hope that a scope note would be added to the headings=
 that says that they may only be used as topical headings with appropriate =
subdivisions like $v Bibliography or
 $x History and criticism.&nbsp; I do think that LC subject specialists wou=
ld be in agreement that we need to get away from assigning form/genre headi=
ngs from LCSH in field 650 unless the heading is truly the subject of the r=
esource.&nbsp; Put subjects in 650 and genre/form
 in 655.&nbsp; If we do that, Baseball $v Fiction should be perfectly ok in=
 655, with Baseball stories from LCSH and/or Sports fiction from LCGFT in 6=
55.<br>
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I'd like to be able to apply &quot;Ghosts |v Drama&quot; when cataloging DV=
Ds/Blu-rays of films like &quot;The Ghost and Mrs. Muir&quot; instead of ha=
ving it default to &quot;Ghost plays.&quot; The latter makes it hard to dis=
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<p class=3D"x_x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:&qu=
ot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif; color:#1F497D">I would LOVE to be able to appl=
y Christmas Stories to a work *<b>about</b>* the specific genre of Christma=
s stories and Christmas=97fiction to a novel where
 Christmas features prominently. </span></p>
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Cataloging &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Adam L Schiff<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 24, 2020 5:29 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> [log in to unmask]<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [PCCLIST] &quot;Christmas stories&quot; and similar sub=
ject headings</span></p>
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<p class=3D"x_x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,s=
ans-serif; color:black">Actually, LC policy would be to add the form headin=
g for a collection of stories in a 650 field in addition to the 655.</span>=
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ans-serif; color:black">&nbsp;</span></p>
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ans-serif; color:black">650 _0&nbsp; Baseball stories.</span></p>
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<p class=3D"x_x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,s=
ans-serif; color:black">655 _7&nbsp; Sports stories. $2 lcgft</span></p>
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ans-serif; color:black">&nbsp;</span></p>
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<p class=3D"x_x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,s=
ans-serif; color:black">The drama headings are even more problematic, becau=
se we use $v Drama for both plays and moving image works.&nbsp; So if you t=
ry to assign</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,s=
ans-serif; color:black">&nbsp;</span></p>
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<p class=3D"x_x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,s=
ans-serif; color:black">650 _0&nbsp; Lawyers $v Drama</span></p>
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<p class=3D"x_x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,s=
ans-serif; color:black">&nbsp;</span></p>
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<p class=3D"x_x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,s=
ans-serif; color:black">it gets turned into</span></p>
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<div>
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ans-serif; color:black">&nbsp;</span></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"x_x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,s=
ans-serif; color:black">650 _0&nbsp; Legal drama.</span></p>
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<p class=3D"x_x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,s=
ans-serif; color:black">&nbsp;</span></p>
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<p class=3D"x_x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,s=
ans-serif; color:black">But Legal drama is a term restricted to plays, so f=
or a film you can't have a 650 at all with the concept.</span></p>
</div>
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ans-serif; color:black">&nbsp;</span></p>
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<p class=3D"x_x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,s=
ans-serif; color:black">I have suggested to LC in the past that they delete=
 the UF references so that a cataloger could assign Lawyers $v Fiction or L=
awyers $v Drama to an individual work and then
 add the appropriate LCGFT term in 655: Legal fiction (Literature), Legal d=
rama (Literature), or Legal films or Legal television programs, but they ha=
ve not wanted to make such a change.&nbsp; And it would still leave the hea=
dings Legal fiction and Legal drama in
 LCSH to be used for works ABOUT those genres.&nbsp; That might also be dif=
ficult for catalogers to apply, however, and could result in people includi=
ng both Legal fiction and Lawyers--Fiction to a record.&nbsp; Which might n=
ot be too terrible really.</span></p>
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ans-serif; color:black">&nbsp;</span></p>
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ans-serif; color:black">Adam Schiff</span></p>
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ans-serif; color:black">Principal Cataloger</span></p>
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> Program for Cooperative Cataloging &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:PCCLIST@LISTSERV=
.LOC.GOV">[log in to unmask]</a>&gt;
 on behalf of Monaco,Michael J &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">mm=
[log in to unmask]</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 24, 2020 12:53 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]
.GOV</a> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: &quot;Christmas stories&quot; and similar subject headi=
ngs</span> </p>
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>H 1790 section 4 does put fairly strict limits on SH for individual works =
of fiction. (Only used for biographical and historical fiction, basically.)=
 The =93Special provisions=94 at the end
 of H 1790 still refer to GSAFD headings, so IMO the section needs updating=
. </span>
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>But per H 1790 section 4, you still only use very specific 650s. So =93650=
 Deer hunting =96 Fiction=94 is ok, but =93Hunting=97Fiction=94 is too gene=
ral. 655s are generally fine. If I understand H
 1790.</span></p>
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>&nbsp;</span></p>
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<p class=3D"x_x_xmsonormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Mike Monaco (he/h=
im)</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_x_xmsonormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Coordinator, Cata=
loging Services</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_x_xmsonormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">261B Bierce Libra=
ry</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_x_xmsonormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">The University of=
 Akron</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_x_xmsonormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Akron, Ohio 44325=
-1712</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_x_xmsonormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Office: 330-972-2=
446</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_x_xmsonormal"><a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">mmonaco@u=
akron.edu</a></p>
<p class=3D"x_x_xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; color:#1F497D;=
 background:white">ORCID: 0000-0001-7244-5154
</span></p>
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>&nbsp;</span></p>
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 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</=
a>&gt;
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Wilson, Pete<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 24, 2020 2:50 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]
.GOV</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [PCCLIST] &quot;Christmas stories&quot; and similar subject=
 headings</p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"x_x_xmsonormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"x_x_xmsonormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"f=
ont-size:12.0pt; font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif; color:black=
; background:yellow">CAUTION: This email originated from outside of The Uni=
versity of Akron.</span><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family:&quot;=
Times New Roman&quot;,serif">
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<p class=3D"x_x_xmsonormal">Hi,</p>
<p class=3D"x_x_xmsonormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"x_x_xmsonormal">There are certain LCSH headings like =93Christm=
as stories=94 and =93Hunting stories=94 which have long worried me a bit.</=
p>
<p class=3D"x_x_xmsonormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"x_x_xmsonormal">These headings have the cross references =93Chr=
istmas =96 Fiction=94 and =93Hunting =96 Fiction.=94&nbsp; If you want to u=
se a subject heading to say that a work is fiction about Christmas, you=92r=
e led through the cross reference to the 150 =93Christmas
 stories.=94 &nbsp;That=92s used instead of the topic &#43; form combinatio=
n =93Christmas =96 Fiction.=94</p>
<p class=3D"x_x_xmsonormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"x_x_xmsonormal">Yet =93Christmas stories=94 looks very like a f=
orm/genre heading. &nbsp;And there=92s already a perfectly good LCGFT headi=
ng, =93Christmas fiction.=94&nbsp; So do you abandon your 650, instead usin=
g only a 655, =93Christmas fiction?=94</p>
<p class=3D"x_x_xmsonormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"x_x_xmsonormal">My guess is no.&nbsp; Why should we not have a =
650 to say that what we=92re cataloging is about Christmas?&nbsp; We routin=
ely give topical headings, subdivided&nbsp; by form, to works of fiction, a=
nd =93Christmas stories=94 is the authority-mandated substitute
 here for the topical heading =93Christmas=94 subdivided by form =93fiction=
.=94&nbsp; I=92m thinking that =93Christmas stories=94 is perfectly accepta=
ble as a 650 for a novel about Christmas.&nbsp; (Not just for a collection =
of Christmas stories.&nbsp; The novel would get the heading =93Christmas
 =96 Fiction=94 were that not unacceptable, so it gets =93Christmas stories=
.=94)</p>
<p class=3D"x_x_xmsonormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"x_x_xmsonormal">Does this sound correct?</p>
<p class=3D"x_x_xmsonormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"x_x_xmsonormal">Pete Wilson</p>
<p class=3D"x_x_xmsonormal">Vanderbilt University</p>
<p class=3D"x_x_xmsonormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"x_x_xmsonormal">&nbsp;</p>
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Good evening:

Some NACO records created through the OCLC node are being assigned a previo=
usly assigned LCCN. While we work to correct this, we ask that members temp=
orarily refrain from creating new NACO records either in Connexion or Recor=
d Manager. Our development team is working to correct the duplicate assignm=
ent. Once this is complete, we will update the affected records.

Note, this does not affect editing and updating existing NACO records, and =
you may still begin the creation of a new record, saving it in your local o=
r online save file. We will continue to keep you updated on the situation a=
nd thank you for your patience.

Cynthia M. Whitacre
Senior Metadata Operations Manager
OCLC, Inc.
6565 Kilgour Place
Dublin, Ohio  43017
800-848-5878, ext. 6183
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 the situation and thank you for your patience.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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How long do you anticipate this lasting?

Thanks,
Peter

Peter H. Lisius, M.L.S., M.A.
Music and Media Catalog Librarian
Associate Professor
Kent State University Libraries
P.O. Box 5190
Kent, OH  44224
(330) 672-6316 (Work)
(201) 970-1887 (Cell)
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From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging <[log in to unmask]> On Beha=
lf Of Whitacre,Cynthia
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 8:57 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: [PCCLIST] Request to temporarily refrain from creating NACO record=
s through OCLC

Good evening:

Some NACO records created through the OCLC node are being assigned a previo=
usly assigned LCCN. While we work to correct this, we ask that members temp=
orarily refrain from creating new NACO records either in Connexion or Recor=
d Manager. Our development team is working to correct the duplicate assignm=
ent. Once this is complete, we will update the affected records.

Note, this does not affect editing and updating existing NACO records, and =
you may still begin the creation of a new record, saving it in your local o=
r online save file. We will continue to keep you updated on the situation a=
nd thank you for your patience.

Cynthia M. Whitacre
Senior Metadata Operations Manager
OCLC, Inc.
6565 Kilgour Place
Dublin, Ohio  43017
800-848-5878, ext. 6183
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Peter<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Peter H. Lisius, M.L.S., M.A.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Music and Media Catalog Librarian<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Associate Professor<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Kent State University Libraries<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">P.O. Box 5190<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Kent, OH&nbsp; 44224<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">(330) 672-6316 (Work)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">(201) 970-1887 (Cell)<o:p></o:p></p>
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[log in to unmask]&gt;
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Whitacre,Cynthia<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 24, 2020 8:57 PM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> [PCCLIST] Request to temporarily refrain from creating NACO=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">Good evening:<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">Some NACO records create=
d through the OCLC node are being assigned a previously assigned LCCN. Whil=
e we work to correct this, we ask that members temporarily refrain from cre=
ating new NACO records either in Connexion
 or Record Manager. Our development team is working to correct the duplicat=
e assignment. Once this is complete, we will update the affected records.&n=
bsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span>=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">Note, this does not affe=
ct editing and updating existing NACO records, and you may still begin the =
creation of a new record, saving it in your local or online save file. We w=
ill continue to keep you updated on
 the situation and thank you for your patience.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Cynthia M. Whitacre<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Senior Metadata Operations Manager<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">OCLC, Inc.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">6565 Kilgour Place<o:p></o:p></p>
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Since I sent the earlier message our OCLC developers have diagnosed the cau=
se of the problem.  We are hopeful that a fix will be in place within a few=
 days.

Cynthia

Sent from my iPhone
Cynthia M. Whitacre
Senior Metadata Operations Manager
OCLC

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How long do you anticipate this lasting?



Thanks,

Peter



Peter H. Lisius, M.L.S., M.A.

Music and Media Catalog Librarian

Associate Professor

Kent State University Libraries

P.O. Box 5190

Kent, OH  44224

(330) 672-6316 (Work)

(201) 970-1887 (Cell)

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From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging <[log in to unmask]> On Beha=
lf Of Whitacre,Cynthia
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 8:57 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: [PCCLIST] Request to temporarily refrain from creating NACO record=
s through OCLC



Good evening:



Some NACO records created through the OCLC node are being assigned a previo=
usly assigned LCCN. While we work to correct this, we ask that members temp=
orarily refrain from creating new NACO records either in Connexion or Recor=
d Manager. Our development team is working to correct the duplicate assignm=
ent. Once this is complete, we will update the affected records.



Note, this does not affect editing and updating existing NACO records, and =
you may still begin the creation of a new record, saving it in your local o=
r online save file. We will continue to keep you updated on the situation a=
nd thank you for your patience.



Cynthia M. Whitacre

Senior Metadata Operations Manager

OCLC, Inc.

6565 Kilgour Place

Dublin, Ohio  43017

800-848-5878, ext. 6183

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velopers have diagnosed the cause of the problem. &nbsp;We are hopeful that=
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<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">Peter H. Lisius, M.L.S., M.A.</p>
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<b>Subject:</b> [PCCLIST] Request to temporarily refrain from creating NACO=
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ile we work to correct this, we ask that members temporarily refrain from c=
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e creation of a new record, saving it in your local or online save file. We=
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<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">Senior Metadata Operations Manager</p>
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Subject:      UPDATE- resume creation --- RE: [PCCLIST] Request to temporarily
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I am happy to report that the problem has been corrected.  LCCNs will now b=
e assigned correctly for NACO records using OCLC Connexion and Record Manag=
er.  Please feel free to resume creation of new NACO records.

We will be working over the next week to correct the records created yester=
day that were affected by this issue.

Sincerely,
Cynthia

From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging <[log in to unmask]> On Beha=
lf Of Whitacre,Cynthia
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 8:57 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: [PCCLIST] Request to temporarily refrain from creating NACO record=
s through OCLC

Good evening:

Some NACO records created through the OCLC node are being assigned a previo=
usly assigned LCCN. While we work to correct this, we ask that members temp=
orarily refrain from creating new NACO records either in Connexion or Recor=
d Manager. Our development team is working to correct the duplicate assignm=
ent. Once this is complete, we will update the affected records.

Note, this does not affect editing and updating existing NACO records, and =
you may still begin the creation of a new record, saving it in your local o=
r online save file. We will continue to keep you updated on the situation a=
nd thank you for your patience.

Cynthia M. Whitacre
Senior Metadata Operations Manager
OCLC, Inc.
6565 Kilgour Place
Dublin, Ohio  43017
800-848-5878, ext. 6183
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 24, 2020 8:57 PM<br>
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Thanks to Adam and everyone else who commented on my question about the use=
 of "Christmas stories" and similar LCSH headings for which "[Topic]-Fictio=
n" is a cross reference.  The discussion has been very interesting, and I'm=
 pleased to see others are bothered by those cross references.

Adam said in a post preceding the one below that LC would use the heading "=
Baseball stories" in a 650 for a collection of short stories.  I was glad t=
o see him confirm that the heading can in fact be used as a 650 for a book =
that IS baseball stories (plural), rather than about baseball stories.  But=
 I'm still wondering what the best answer is when I have a novel that is ab=
out baseball, or Christmas.

I agree that it is very unfortunate that "Baseball-Fiction" and "Christmas-=
Fiction" are forbidden to us, so I agree that removing these terms from the=
 cross-reference structure of the headings "Baseball stories" and "Christma=
s stories" would be great.  But what do you do at this moment in cataloging=
 history with that novel about Christmas?  I really don't want to just use =
"Christmas" as a heading, as Stephen McDonald suggested.

To me, the cross reference's very existence says you use "Christmas stories=
" for that novel.  (That is, if you follow the "Special Provisions for Incr=
eased Subject Access to Fiction," which I think most of us want to.)

Pete Wilson
Vanderbilt University

From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging <[log in to unmask]> On Beha=
lf Of Adam L Schiff
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 7:16 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] "Christmas stories" and similar subject headings

Yes, this is exactly the sort of thing our media catalogers regularly compl=
ain about to me.  Ghost plays is not an appropriate heading to include on a=
 record for a film.  In 2019 we made a SACO proposal to try to resolve one =
of these kinds of problems that was not approved:

June 2019 Summary of Decisions:


Dystopian plays

This proposal was made to remove the UFs Dystopias-Drama and Dystopias-Juve=
nile drama from the established heading. The references follow a well-estab=
lished pattern in LCSH.  The proposal included a cataloger's note opining t=
hat the UFs needed to be removed so that Dystopias-Drama could be assigned =
to a television program. The genre/form term Dystopian television programs =
was created for this purpose and should be assigned to the work being catal=
oged. The proposal was not approved.



It's the same situation that you note about ghost plays.  The cataloger wan=
ted to assign Dystopias--Drama to a DVD for a television program.  That fli=
ps to Dystopian plays, which is not appropriate.  Therefore, subject access=
 for fictional moving image works that are about dystopias is lost.  The su=
bject serves a different purpose from the genre/form heading and is faceted=
 and indexed differently in most discovery systems.



There's also a lot of inconsistency that could be confusing to clients.  Fo=
r example, as someone noted, you can subdivide some sports by $v Fiction, b=
ut not others.  LCSH has Baseball stories, Basketball stories, Boxing stori=
es, Cricket stories, Figure skating stories, Fishing stories, Football stor=
ies, Golf stories, Hockey stories, Hunting stories, Soccer stories, and Ten=
nis stories, so you cannot subdivide any of those sports by $v Fiction or $=
v Juvenile fiction. But you may use these form subdivisions with other spor=
ts like Gymnastics, Karate, Swimming, Track and field, and Volleyball.  One=
 way around the problem is to assign class of persons headings subdivided b=
y literary form (e.g., Baseball players--Fiction).  That will work for spor=
ts, but won't always be appropriate, as you could have a baseball story tha=
t isn't about baseball players or other baseball personnel.   But as we saw=
 with the case of lawyers, it won't work for legal fiction.  There's also a=
 lot of inconsistency in UF references as to whether there is a variant fro=
m a class of persons.  Legal fiction has UF Lawyers--Fiction, but Medical f=
iction does not have a UF Physicians--Fiction or UF Medical personnel--Fict=
ion.  Others have pointed out that a literary work that may have ghosts or =
a Christmas setting might not be considered a ghost or Christmas story, esp=
ecially if that content is not the primary aspect of the fiction.  The cata=
loger might still want to bring out that aspect if it accounts for 20% or m=
ore of the work (per the SHM).


Ultimately, I think when LC implements LCGFT for literature they may be mor=
e inclined to deal with these kinds of structural problems in LCSH, althoug=
h I'm surprised it hasn't been raised by their catalogers of moving image m=
aterials (but maybe they don't do much subject analysis of fiction films). =
 I understand why headings like Baseball stories and Dystopian plays are ne=
eded, since there are bibliographies and works of criticism about them, but=
 the UFs in the records are very problematic and hopefully some day will be=
 removed.  At such time I would hope that a scope note would be added to th=
e headings that says that they may only be used as topical headings with ap=
propriate subdivisions like $v Bibliography or $x History and criticism.  I=
 do think that LC subject specialists would be in agreement that we need to=
 get away from assigning form/genre headings from LCSH in field 650 unless =
the heading is truly the subject of the resource.  Put subjects in 650 and =
genre/form in 655.  If we do that, Baseball $v Fiction should be perfectly =
ok in 655, with Baseball stories from LCSH and/or Sports fiction from LCGFT=
 in 655.

Adam Schiff
Principal Cataloger
University of Washington Libraries

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[log in to unmask]>> on behalf of Eduardo Fojo <[log in to unmask]<mailto:f=
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Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 2:50 PM
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SERV.LOC.GOV<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
Subject: Re: "Christmas stories" and similar subject headings

I'd like to be able to apply "Ghosts |v Drama" when cataloging DVDs/Blu-ray=
s of films like "The Ghost and Mrs. Muir" instead of having it default to "=
Ghost plays." The latter makes it hard to distinguish between movies and, w=
ell, plays as well as between plays about/featuring ghosts and works about =
plays about/featuring ghosts. If this flummoxes catalogers, I can imagine h=
ow patrons and non-cataloger librarians and library staff trying to help pa=
trons find these materials must feel.

Eduardo Fojo
Media Cataloger Librarian, FIU Library
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[log in to unmask]>> on behalf of Jessica Janecki <jessica.janecki@DUK=
E.EDU<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 5:34 PM
To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> <PCCLIST@LIST=
SERV.LOC.GOV<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] "Christmas stories" and similar subject headings


Note: This message originated from outside the FIU Faculty/Staff email syst=
em.


I would LOVE to be able to apply Christmas Stories to a work *about* the sp=
ecific genre of Christmas stories and Christmas-fiction to a novel where Ch=
ristmas features prominently.



Jessica



From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging <[log in to unmask]<mailto:P=
[log in to unmask]>> On Behalf Of Adam L Schiff
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 5:29 PM
To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] "Christmas stories" and similar subject headings



Actually, LC policy would be to add the form heading for a collection of st=
ories in a 650 field in addition to the 655.



650 _0  Baseball stories.

655 _7  Sports stories. $2 lcgft



The drama headings are even more problematic, because we use $v Drama for b=
oth plays and moving image works.  So if you try to assign



650 _0  Lawyers $v Drama



it gets turned into



650 _0  Legal drama.



But Legal drama is a term restricted to plays, so for a film you can't have=
 a 650 at all with the concept.



I have suggested to LC in the past that they delete the UF references so th=
at a cataloger could assign Lawyers $v Fiction or Lawyers $v Drama to an in=
dividual work and then add the appropriate LCGFT term in 655: Legal fiction=
 (Literature), Legal drama (Literature), or Legal films or Legal television=
 programs, but they have not wanted to make such a change.  And it would st=
ill leave the headings Legal fiction and Legal drama in LCSH to be used for=
 works ABOUT those genres.  That might also be difficult for catalogers to =
apply, however, and could result in people including both Legal fiction and=
 Lawyers--Fiction to a record.  Which might not be too terrible really.



Adam Schiff

Principal Cataloger

University of Washington Libraries

________________________________

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[log in to unmask]>> on behalf of Monaco,Michael J <[log in to unmask]
<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 12:53 PM
To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> <PCCLIST@LIST=
SERV.LOC.GOV<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
Subject: Re: "Christmas stories" and similar subject headings



H 1790 section 4 does put fairly strict limits on SH for individual works o=
f fiction. (Only used for biographical and historical fiction, basically.) =
The "Special provisions" at the end of H 1790 still refer to GSAFD headings=
, so IMO the section needs updating.



But per H 1790 section 4, you still only use very specific 650s. So "650 De=
er hunting - Fiction" is ok, but "Hunting-Fiction" is too general. 655s are=
 generally fine. If I understand H 1790.



Mike Monaco (he/him)

Coordinator, Cataloging Services

261B Bierce Library

The University of Akron

Akron, Ohio 44325-1712

Office: 330-972-2446

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ORCID: 0000-0001-7244-5154



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[log in to unmask]>> On Behalf Of Wilson, Pete
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 2:50 PM
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Subject: [PCCLIST] "Christmas stories" and similar subject headings



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Hi,



There are certain LCSH headings like "Christmas stories" and "Hunting stori=
es" which have long worried me a bit.



These headings have the cross references "Christmas - Fiction" and "Hunting=
 - Fiction."  If you want to use a subject heading to say that a work is fi=
ction about Christmas, you're led through the cross reference to the 150 "C=
hristmas stories."  That's used instead of the topic + form combination "Ch=
ristmas - Fiction."



Yet "Christmas stories" looks very like a form/genre heading.  And there's =
already a perfectly good LCGFT heading, "Christmas fiction."  So do you aba=
ndon your 650, instead using only a 655, "Christmas fiction?"



My guess is no.  Why should we not have a 650 to say that what we're catalo=
ging is about Christmas?  We routinely give topical headings, subdivided  b=
y form, to works of fiction, and "Christmas stories" is the authority-manda=
ted substitute here for the topical heading "Christmas" subdivided by form =
"fiction."  I'm thinking that "Christmas stories" is perfectly acceptable a=
s a 650 for a novel about Christmas.  (Not just for a collection of Christm=
as stories.  The novel would get the heading "Christmas - Fiction" were tha=
t not unacceptable, so it gets "Christmas stories.")



Does this sound correct?



Pete Wilson

Vanderbilt University















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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks to Adam and everyone else who commented on my=
 question about the use of &#8220;Christmas stories&#8221; and similar LCSH=
 headings for which &#8220;[Topic]&#8212;Fiction&#8221; is a cross referenc=
e.&nbsp; The discussion has been very interesting, and I&#8217;m pleased to
 see others are bothered by those cross references.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Adam said in a post preceding the one below that LC =
would use the heading &#8220;Baseball stories&#8221; in a 650 for a collect=
ion of short stories.&nbsp; I was glad to see him confirm that the heading =
can in fact be used as a 650 for a book that IS baseball
 stories (plural), rather than about baseball stories.&nbsp; But I&#8217;m =
still wondering what the best answer is when I have a novel that is about b=
aseball, or Christmas.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I agree that it is very unfortunate that &#8220;Base=
ball&#8212;Fiction&#8221; and &#8220;Christmas&#8212;Fiction&#8221; are for=
bidden to us, so I agree that removing these terms from the cross-reference=
 structure of the headings &#8220;Baseball stories&#8221; and &#8220;Christ=
mas stories&#8221;
 would be great.&nbsp; But what do you do at this moment in cataloging hist=
ory with that novel about Christmas?&nbsp; I really don&#8217;t want to jus=
t use &#8220;Christmas&#8221; as a heading, as Stephen McDonald suggested.&=
nbsp;
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">To me, the cross reference&#8217;s very existence sa=
ys you use &#8220;Christmas stories&#8221; for that novel.&nbsp; (That is, =
if you follow the &#8220;Special Provisions for Increased Subject Access to=
 Fiction,&#8221; which I think most of us want to.)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Pete Wilson<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Vanderbilt University<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Program for Cooperative Cataloging &lt;=
[log in to unmask]&gt;
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Adam L Schiff<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 24, 2020 7:16 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> [log in to unmask]<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [PCCLIST] &quot;Christmas stories&quot; and similar sub=
ject headings<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Yes, th=
is is exactly the sort of thing our media catalogers regularly complain abo=
ut to me.&nbsp; Ghost plays is not an appropriate heading to include on a r=
ecord for a film.&nbsp; In 2019 we made a SACO
 proposal to try to resolve one of these kinds of problems that was not app=
roved:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">June 20=
19 Summary of Decisions:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p><em><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:blac=
k">Dystopian plays</span></em><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span=
></p>
<p><span style=3D"color:black">This proposal was made to remove the UFs <em=
><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">Dystopias&#8212=
;Drama</span></em> and
<em><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">Dystopias&#8=
212;Juvenile drama</span></em> from the established heading. The references=
 follow a well-established pattern in LCSH.&nbsp; The proposal included a c=
ataloger&#8217;s note opining that the UFs needed to be removed
 so that <em><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">Dys=
topias&#8212;Drama</span></em> could be assigned to a television program. T=
he genre/form term
<strong><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">Dystopia=
n television programs</span></strong> was created for this purpose and shou=
ld be assigned to the work being cataloged. The proposal was not approved.<=
o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"color:black">It's the same situation that you note about =
ghost plays.&nbsp; The cataloger wanted to assign Dystopias--Drama to a DVD=
 for a television program.&nbsp; That flips to Dystopian plays, which is no=
t appropriate.&nbsp; Therefore, subject access for
 fictional moving image works that are about dystopias is lost.&nbsp; The s=
ubject serves a different purpose from the genre/form heading and is facete=
d and indexed differently in most discovery systems.&nbsp;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"color:black">There's also a lot of inconsistency that cou=
ld be confusing to clients.&nbsp; For example, as someone noted, you can su=
bdivide some sports by $v Fiction, but not others.&nbsp; LCSH has Baseball =
stories, Basketball stories, Boxing stories,
 Cricket stories, Figure skating stories, Fishing stories, Football stories=
, Golf stories, Hockey stories, Hunting stories, Soccer stories, and Tennis=
 stories, so you cannot subdivide any of those sports by $v Fiction or $v J=
uvenile fiction. But you may use
 these form subdivisions with other sports like Gymnastics, Karate, Swimmin=
g,&nbsp;Track and field, and Volleyball.&nbsp; One way around the problem i=
s to assign class of persons headings subdivided by literary form (e.g., Ba=
seball players--Fiction).&nbsp; That will work
 for sports, but won't always be appropriate, as you could have a baseball =
story that isn't about baseball players or other baseball personnel. &nbsp;=
 But as we saw with the case of lawyers, it won't work for legal fiction.&n=
bsp; There's also a lot of inconsistency in
 UF references as to whether there is a variant from a class of persons.&nb=
sp; Legal fiction has UF Lawyers--Fiction, but Medical fiction does not hav=
e a UF Physicians--Fiction or UF Medical personnel--Fiction.&nbsp; Others h=
ave pointed out that a literary work that
 may have ghosts or a Christmas setting might not be considered a ghost or =
Christmas story, especially if that content is not the primary aspect of th=
e fiction.&nbsp; The cataloger might still want to bring out that aspect if=
 it accounts for 20% or more of the work
 (per the SHM).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Ultimat=
ely, I think when LC implements LCGFT for literature they may be more incli=
ned to deal with these kinds of structural problems in LCSH, although I'm s=
urprised it hasn't been raised by their
 catalogers of moving image materials (but maybe they don't do much subject=
 analysis of fiction films).&nbsp; I understand why headings like Baseball =
stories and Dystopian plays are needed, since there are bibliographies and =
works of criticism about them, but the
 UFs in the records are very problematic and hopefully some day will be rem=
oved.&nbsp; At such time I would hope that a scope note would be added to t=
he headings that says that they may only be used as topical headings with a=
ppropriate subdivisions like $v Bibliography
 or $x History and criticism.&nbsp; I do think that LC subject specialists =
would be in agreement that we need to get away from assigning form/genre he=
adings from LCSH in field 650 unless the heading is truly the subject of th=
e resource.&nbsp; Put subjects in 650 and
 genre/form in 655.&nbsp; If we do that, Baseball $v Fiction should be perf=
ectly ok in 655, with Baseball stories from LCSH and/or Sports fiction from=
 LCGFT in 655.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Adam Sc=
hiff<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Princip=
al Cataloger<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Univers=
ity of Washington Libraries<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"color:black">From:</span></b><span=
 style=3D"color:black"> Program for Cooperative Cataloging &lt;</span><a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><span st=
yle=3D"color:black">&gt; on behalf of Eduardo Fojo
 &lt;</span><a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><span style=
=3D"color:black">&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 24, 2020 2:50 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> </span><a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">PCCLIST@LISTS=
ERV.LOC.GOV</a><span style=3D"color:black"> &lt;</span><a href=3D"mailto:PC=
[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><span style=3D"color:bl=
ack">&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: &quot;Christmas stories&quot; and similar subject headi=
ngs</span> <o:p>
</o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">I'd lik=
e to be able to apply &quot;Ghosts |v Drama&quot; when cataloging DVDs/Blu-=
rays of films like &quot;The Ghost and Mrs. Muir&quot; instead of having it=
 default to &quot;Ghost plays.&quot; The latter makes it hard to distinguis=
h
 between movies and, well, plays as well as between plays about/featuring g=
hosts and works
<b>about</b> plays about/featuring ghosts. If this flummoxes catalogers, I =
can imagine how patrons and non-cataloger librarians and library staff tryi=
ng to help patrons find these materials must feel.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Eduardo=
 Fojo<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Media C=
ataloger Librarian, FIU Library<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]"><span style=3D"font=
-size:12.0pt">[log in to unmask]</span></a><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color=
:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"color:black">From:</span></b><span=
 style=3D"color:black"> Program for Cooperative Cataloging &lt;</span><a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><span st=
yle=3D"color:black">&gt; on behalf of Jessica Janecki
 &lt;</span><a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">jessica.janecki@DUK=
E.EDU</a><span style=3D"color:black">&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 24, 2020 5:34 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> </span><a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">PCCLIST@LISTS=
ERV.LOC.GOV</a><span style=3D"color:black"> &lt;</span><a href=3D"mailto:PC=
[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><span style=3D"color:bl=
ack">&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [PCCLIST] &quot;Christmas stories&quot; and similar sub=
ject headings</span>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
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4.0pt 4.0pt 4.0pt 4.0pt">
<p align=3D"center" style=3D"text-align:center;border:none;padding:0in"><b>=
<span style=3D"color:red">Note: This message originated from outside the FI=
U Faculty/Staff email system.<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"xxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;=
Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I would LOVE to be able to apply Ch=
ristmas Stories to a work *<b>about</b>* the specific genre of Christmas st=
ories and Christmas&#8212;fiction to a novel where Christmas
 features prominently. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;=
Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;=
Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Jessica</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;=
Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"xxmsonormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&qu=
ot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0p=
t;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"> Program for Cooperative Cata=
loging &lt;</span><a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]"><span style=
=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">PCCLIST@LI=
STSERV.LOC.GOV</span></a><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;=
Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">&gt;
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Adam L Schiff<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 24, 2020 5:29 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> </span><a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]"><span style=
=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">PCCLIST@LI=
STSERV.LOC.GOV</span></a><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;=
Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [PCCLIST] &quot;Christmas stories&quot; and similar sub=
ject headings</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"xxmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"xxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,san=
s-serif;color:black">Actually, LC policy would be to add the form heading f=
or a collection of stories in a 650 field in addition to the 655.</span><o:=
p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"xxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,san=
s-serif;color:black">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"xxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,san=
s-serif;color:black">650 _0&nbsp; Baseball stories.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"xxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,san=
s-serif;color:black">655 _7&nbsp; Sports stories. $2 lcgft</span><o:p></o:p=
></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"xxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,san=
s-serif;color:black">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"xxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,san=
s-serif;color:black">The drama headings are even more problematic, because =
we use $v Drama for both plays and moving image works.&nbsp; So if you try =
to assign</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"xxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,san=
s-serif;color:black">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"xxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,san=
s-serif;color:black">650 _0&nbsp; Lawyers $v Drama</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"xxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,san=
s-serif;color:black">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"xxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,san=
s-serif;color:black">it gets turned into</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"xxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,san=
s-serif;color:black">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"xxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,san=
s-serif;color:black">650 _0&nbsp; Legal drama.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"xxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,san=
s-serif;color:black">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"xxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,san=
s-serif;color:black">But Legal drama is a term restricted to plays, so for =
a film you can't have a 650 at all with the concept.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"xxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,san=
s-serif;color:black">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"xxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,san=
s-serif;color:black">I have suggested to LC in the past that they delete th=
e UF references so that a cataloger could assign Lawyers $v Fiction or Lawy=
ers $v Drama to an individual work and then add
 the appropriate LCGFT term in 655: Legal fiction (Literature), Legal drama=
 (Literature), or Legal films or Legal television programs, but they have n=
ot wanted to make such a change.&nbsp; And it would still leave the heading=
s Legal fiction and Legal drama in LCSH
 to be used for works ABOUT those genres.&nbsp; That might also be difficul=
t for catalogers to apply, however, and could result in people including bo=
th Legal fiction and Lawyers--Fiction to a record.&nbsp; Which might not be=
 too terrible really.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"xxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,san=
s-serif;color:black">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"xxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,san=
s-serif;color:black">Adam Schiff</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"xxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,san=
s-serif;color:black">Principal Cataloger</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"xxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,san=
s-serif;color:black">University of Washington Libraries</span><o:p></o:p></=
p>
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<p class=3D"xxmsonormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&qu=
ot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">From:</span></b><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"> Prog=
ram for Cooperative Cataloging &lt;</span><a href=3D"mailto:PCCLIST@LISTSER=
V.LOC.GOV"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,=
sans-serif">[log in to unmask]</span></a><span style=3D"font-size:11.=
0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">&gt;
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EDU"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-s=
erif">[log in to unmask]</span></a><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-fam=
ily:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">&gt;<br>
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Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"> &lt;</span><a href=3D"mailto:PCCLIST=
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: &quot;Christmas stories&quot; and similar subject headi=
ngs</span> <o:p>
</o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"xxmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<div>
<p class=3D"xxxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D">H =
1790 section 4 does put fairly strict limits on SH for individual works of =
fiction. (Only used for biographical and historical fiction, basically.) Th=
e &#8220;Special provisions&#8221; at the end of
 H 1790 still refer to GSAFD headings, so IMO the section needs updating. <=
/span>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xxxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D">&n=
bsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xxxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D">Bu=
t per H 1790 section 4, you still only use very specific 650s. So &#8220;65=
0 Deer hunting &#8211; Fiction&#8221; is ok, but &#8220;Hunting&#8212;Ficti=
on&#8221; is too general. 655s are generally fine. If I understand H 1790.<=
/span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xxxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D">&n=
bsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"xxxmsonormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Mike Monaco (he/him=
)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xxxmsonormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Coordinator, Catalo=
ging Services</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xxxmsonormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">261B Bierce Library=
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xxxmsonormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">The University of A=
kron</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xxxmsonormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Akron, Ohio 44325-1=
712</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xxxmsonormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Office: 330-972-244=
6</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xxxmsonormal"><a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">mmonaco@uak=
ron.edu</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xxxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D;bac=
kground:white">ORCID: 0000-0001-7244-5154
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"xxxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D">&n=
bsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"xxxmsonormal"><b>From:</b> Program for Cooperative Cataloging &=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>=
&gt;
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Wilson, Pete<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 24, 2020 2:50 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]
.GOV</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [PCCLIST] &quot;Christmas stories&quot; and similar subject=
 headings<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"xxxmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xxxmsonormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;color:black;bac=
kground:yellow">CAUTION: This email originated from outside of The Universi=
ty of Akron.</span><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times =
New Roman&quot;,serif">
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<p class=3D"xxxmsonormal">Hi,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xxxmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xxxmsonormal">There are certain LCSH headings like &#8220;Chris=
tmas stories&#8221; and &#8220;Hunting stories&#8221; which have long worri=
ed me a bit.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xxxmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xxxmsonormal">These headings have the cross references &#8220;C=
hristmas &#8211; Fiction&#8221; and &#8220;Hunting &#8211; Fiction.&#8221;&=
nbsp; If you want to use a subject heading to say that a work is fiction ab=
out Christmas, you&#8217;re led through the cross reference to the 150 &#82=
20;Christmas
 stories.&#8221; &nbsp;That&#8217;s used instead of the topic &#43; form co=
mbination &#8220;Christmas &#8211; Fiction.&#8221;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xxxmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xxxmsonormal">Yet &#8220;Christmas stories&#8221; looks very li=
ke a form/genre heading. &nbsp;And there&#8217;s already a perfectly good L=
CGFT heading, &#8220;Christmas fiction.&#8221;&nbsp; So do you abandon your=
 650, instead using only a 655, &#8220;Christmas fiction?&#8221;<o:p></o:p>=
</p>
<p class=3D"xxxmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xxxmsonormal">My guess is no.&nbsp; Why should we not have a 65=
0 to say that what we&#8217;re cataloging is about Christmas?&nbsp; We rout=
inely give topical headings, subdivided&nbsp; by form, to works of fiction,=
 and &#8220;Christmas stories&#8221; is the authority-mandated substitute
 here for the topical heading &#8220;Christmas&#8221; subdivided by form &#=
8220;fiction.&#8221;&nbsp; I&#8217;m thinking that &#8220;Christmas stories=
&#8221; is perfectly acceptable as a 650 for a novel about Christmas.&nbsp;=
 (Not just for a collection of Christmas stories.&nbsp; The novel would get=
 the heading &#8220;Christmas
 &#8211; Fiction&#8221; were that not unacceptable, so it gets &#8220;Chris=
tmas stories.&#8221;)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xxxmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xxxmsonormal">Does this sound correct?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xxxmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xxxmsonormal">Pete Wilson<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xxxmsonormal">Vanderbilt University<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xxxmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xxxmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xxxmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xxxmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xxxmsonormal">&nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xxxmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xxxmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
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It is possible in MARC to use a $e relator term (or $4) with a 650 field.
The MARC relator term "setting" can be used to indicate a resource's
relationship to an event. Christmas is an event. That said, there's nothing
I can find in LC's Subject Headings Manual that would support the use of
"650 0 $a Christmas $e setting."

Stephen

On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 5:27 PM Wilson, Pete <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:

> Thanks to Adam and everyone else who commented on my question about the
> use of =E2=80=9CChristmas stories=E2=80=9D and similar LCSH headings for =
which
> =E2=80=9C[Topic]=E2=80=94Fiction=E2=80=9D is a cross reference.  The disc=
ussion has been very
> interesting, and I=E2=80=99m pleased to see others are bothered by those =
cross
> references.
>
>
>
> Adam said in a post preceding the one below that LC would use the heading
> =E2=80=9CBaseball stories=E2=80=9D in a 650 for a collection of short sto=
ries.  I was glad
> to see him confirm that the heading can in fact be used as a 650 for a bo=
ok
> that IS baseball stories (plural), rather than about baseball stories.  B=
ut
> I=E2=80=99m still wondering what the best answer is when I have a novel t=
hat is
> about baseball, or Christmas.
>
>
>
> I agree that it is very unfortunate that =E2=80=9CBaseball=E2=80=94Fictio=
n=E2=80=9D and
> =E2=80=9CChristmas=E2=80=94Fiction=E2=80=9D are forbidden to us, so I agr=
ee that removing these
> terms from the cross-reference structure of the headings =E2=80=9CBasebal=
l stories=E2=80=9D
> and =E2=80=9CChristmas stories=E2=80=9D would be great.  But what do you =
do at this moment
> in cataloging history with that novel about Christmas?  I really don=E2=
=80=99t want
> to just use =E2=80=9CChristmas=E2=80=9D as a heading, as Stephen McDonald=
 suggested.
>
>
>
> To me, the cross reference=E2=80=99s very existence says you use =E2=80=
=9CChristmas
> stories=E2=80=9D for that novel.  (That is, if you follow the =E2=80=9CSp=
ecial Provisions
> for Increased Subject Access to Fiction,=E2=80=9D which I think most of u=
s want to.)
>
>
>
> Pete Wilson
>
> Vanderbilt University
>
>
>
> *From:* Program for Cooperative Cataloging <[log in to unmask]> *On
> Behalf Of *Adam L Schiff
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 24, 2020 7:16 PM
> *To:* [log in to unmask]
> *Subject:* Re: [PCCLIST] "Christmas stories" and similar subject headings
>
>
>
> Yes, this is exactly the sort of thing our media catalogers regularly
> complain about to me.  Ghost plays is not an appropriate heading to inclu=
de
> on a record for a film.  In 2019 we made a SACO proposal to try to resolv=
e
> one of these kinds of problems that was not approved:
>
>
>
> June 2019 Summary of Decisions:
>
>
>
> *Dystopian plays*
>
> This proposal was made to remove the UFs *Dystopias=E2=80=94Drama* and *D=
ystopias=E2=80=94Juvenile
> drama* from the established heading. The references follow a
> well-established pattern in LCSH.  The proposal included a cataloger=E2=
=80=99s note
> opining that the UFs needed to be removed so that *Dystopias=E2=80=94Dram=
a* could
> be assigned to a television program. The genre/form term *Dystopian
> television programs* was created for this purpose and should be assigned
> to the work being cataloged. The proposal was not approved.
>
>
>
> It's the same situation that you note about ghost plays.  The cataloger
> wanted to assign Dystopias--Drama to a DVD for a television program.  Tha=
t
> flips to Dystopian plays, which is not appropriate.  Therefore, subject
> access for fictional moving image works that are about dystopias is lost.
> The subject serves a different purpose from the genre/form heading and is
> faceted and indexed differently in most discovery systems.
>
>
>
> There's also a lot of inconsistency that could be confusing to clients.
> For example, as someone noted, you can subdivide some sports by $v Fictio=
n,
> but not others.  LCSH has Baseball stories, Basketball stories, Boxing
> stories, Cricket stories, Figure skating stories, Fishing stories, Footba=
ll
> stories, Golf stories, Hockey stories, Hunting stories, Soccer stories, a=
nd
> Tennis stories, so you cannot subdivide any of those sports by $v Fiction
> or $v Juvenile fiction. But you may use these form subdivisions with othe=
r
> sports like Gymnastics, Karate, Swimming, Track and field, and Volleyball=
.
> One way around the problem is to assign class of persons headings
> subdivided by literary form (e.g., Baseball players--Fiction).  That will
> work for sports, but won't always be appropriate, as you could have a
> baseball story that isn't about baseball players or other baseball
> personnel.   But as we saw with the case of lawyers, it won't work for
> legal fiction.  There's also a lot of inconsistency in UF references as t=
o
> whether there is a variant from a class of persons.  Legal fiction has UF
> Lawyers--Fiction, but Medical fiction does not have a UF
> Physicians--Fiction or UF Medical personnel--Fiction.  Others have pointe=
d
> out that a literary work that may have ghosts or a Christmas setting migh=
t
> not be considered a ghost or Christmas story, especially if that content =
is
> not the primary aspect of the fiction.  The cataloger might still want to
> bring out that aspect if it accounts for 20% or more of the work (per the
> SHM).
>
>
>
> Ultimately, I think when LC implements LCGFT for literature they may be
> more inclined to deal with these kinds of structural problems in LCSH,
> although I'm surprised it hasn't been raised by their catalogers of movin=
g
> image materials (but maybe they don't do much subject analysis of fiction
> films).  I understand why headings like Baseball stories and Dystopian
> plays are needed, since there are bibliographies and works of criticism
> about them, but the UFs in the records are very problematic and hopefully
> some day will be removed.  At such time I would hope that a scope note
> would be added to the headings that says that they may only be used as
> topical headings with appropriate subdivisions like $v Bibliography or $x
> History and criticism.  I do think that LC subject specialists would be i=
n
> agreement that we need to get away from assigning form/genre headings fro=
m
> LCSH in field 650 unless the heading is truly the subject of the resource=
.
> Put subjects in 650 and genre/form in 655.  If we do that, Baseball $v
> Fiction should be perfectly ok in 655, with Baseball stories from LCSH
> and/or Sports fiction from LCGFT in 655.
>
>
>
> Adam Schiff
>
> Principal Cataloger
>
> University of Washington Libraries
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* Program for Cooperative Cataloging <[log in to unmask]> on
> behalf of Eduardo Fojo <[log in to unmask]>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 24, 2020 2:50 PM
> *To:* [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
> *Subject:* Re: "Christmas stories" and similar subject headings
>
>
>
> I'd like to be able to apply "Ghosts |v Drama" when cataloging
> DVDs/Blu-rays of films like "The Ghost and Mrs. Muir" instead of having i=
t
> default to "Ghost plays." The latter makes it hard to distinguish between
> movies and, well, plays as well as between plays about/featuring ghosts a=
nd
> works *about* plays about/featuring ghosts. If this flummoxes catalogers,
> I can imagine how patrons and non-cataloger librarians and library staff
> trying to help patrons find these materials must feel.
>
>
>
> Eduardo Fojo
>
> Media Cataloger Librarian, FIU Library
>
> [log in to unmask]
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* Program for Cooperative Cataloging <[log in to unmask]> on
> behalf of Jessica Janecki <[log in to unmask]>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 24, 2020 5:34 PM
> *To:* [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
> *Subject:* Re: [PCCLIST] "Christmas stories" and similar subject headings
>
>
>
> *Note: This message originated from outside the FIU Faculty/Staff email
> system.*
>
>
>
> I would LOVE to be able to apply Christmas Stories to a work **about**
> the specific genre of Christmas stories and Christmas=E2=80=94fiction to =
a novel
> where Christmas features prominently.
>
>
>
> Jessica
>
>
>
> *From:* Program for Cooperative Cataloging <[log in to unmask]> *On
> Behalf Of *Adam L Schiff
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 24, 2020 5:29 PM
> *To:* [log in to unmask]
> *Subject:* Re: [PCCLIST] "Christmas stories" and similar subject headings
>
>
>
> Actually, LC policy would be to add the form heading for a collection of
> stories in a 650 field in addition to the 655.
>
>
>
> 650 _0  Baseball stories.
>
> 655 _7  Sports stories. $2 lcgft
>
>
>
> The drama headings are even more problematic, because we use $v Drama for
> both plays and moving image works.  So if you try to assign
>
>
>
> 650 _0  Lawyers $v Drama
>
>
>
> it gets turned into
>
>
>
> 650 _0  Legal drama.
>
>
>
> But Legal drama is a term restricted to plays, so for a film you can't
> have a 650 at all with the concept.
>
>
>
> I have suggested to LC in the past that they delete the UF references so
> that a cataloger could assign Lawyers $v Fiction or Lawyers $v Drama to a=
n
> individual work and then add the appropriate LCGFT term in 655: Legal
> fiction (Literature), Legal drama (Literature), or Legal films or Legal
> television programs, but they have not wanted to make such a change.  And
> it would still leave the headings Legal fiction and Legal drama in LCSH t=
o
> be used for works ABOUT those genres.  That might also be difficult for
> catalogers to apply, however, and could result in people including both
> Legal fiction and Lawyers--Fiction to a record.  Which might not be too
> terrible really.
>
>
>
> Adam Schiff
>
> Principal Cataloger
>
> University of Washington Libraries
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* Program for Cooperative Cataloging <[log in to unmask]> on
> behalf of Monaco,Michael J <[log in to unmask]>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 24, 2020 12:53 PM
> *To:* [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
> *Subject:* Re: "Christmas stories" and similar subject headings
>
>
>
> H 1790 section 4 does put fairly strict limits on SH for individual works
> of fiction. (Only used for biographical and historical fiction, basically=
.)
> The =E2=80=9CSpecial provisions=E2=80=9D at the end of H 1790 still refer=
 to GSAFD
> headings, so IMO the section needs updating.
>
>
>
> But per H 1790 section 4, you still only use very specific 650s. So =E2=
=80=9C650
> Deer hunting =E2=80=93 Fiction=E2=80=9D is ok, but =E2=80=9CHunting=E2=80=
=94Fiction=E2=80=9D is too general. 655s
> are generally fine. If I understand H 1790.
>
>
>
> Mike Monaco (he/him)
>
> Coordinator, Cataloging Services
>
> 261B Bierce Library
>
> The University of Akron
>
> Akron, Ohio 44325-1712
>
> Office: 330-972-2446
>
> [log in to unmask]
>
> ORCID: 0000-0001-7244-5154
>
>
>
> *From:* Program for Cooperative Cataloging <[log in to unmask]> *On
> Behalf Of *Wilson, Pete
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 24, 2020 2:50 PM
> *To:* [log in to unmask]
> *Subject:* [PCCLIST] "Christmas stories" and similar subject headings
>
>
>
> CAUTION: This email originated from outside of The University of Akron.
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> There are certain LCSH headings like =E2=80=9CChristmas stories=E2=80=9D =
and =E2=80=9CHunting
> stories=E2=80=9D which have long worried me a bit.
>
>
>
> These headings have the cross references =E2=80=9CChristmas =E2=80=93 Fic=
tion=E2=80=9D and
> =E2=80=9CHunting =E2=80=93 Fiction.=E2=80=9D  If you want to use a subjec=
t heading to say that a
> work is fiction about Christmas, you=E2=80=99re led through the cross ref=
erence to
> the 150 =E2=80=9CChristmas stories.=E2=80=9D  That=E2=80=99s used instead=
 of the topic + form
> combination =E2=80=9CChristmas =E2=80=93 Fiction.=E2=80=9D
>
>
>
> Yet =E2=80=9CChristmas stories=E2=80=9D looks very like a form/genre head=
ing.  And there=E2=80=99s
> already a perfectly good LCGFT heading, =E2=80=9CChristmas fiction.=E2=80=
=9D  So do you
> abandon your 650, instead using only a 655, =E2=80=9CChristmas fiction?=
=E2=80=9D
>
>
>
> My guess is no.  Why should we not have a 650 to say that what we=E2=80=
=99re
> cataloging is about Christmas?  We routinely give topical headings,
> subdivided  by form, to works of fiction, and =E2=80=9CChristmas stories=
=E2=80=9D is the
> authority-mandated substitute here for the topical heading =E2=80=9CChris=
tmas=E2=80=9D
> subdivided by form =E2=80=9Cfiction.=E2=80=9D  I=E2=80=99m thinking that =
=E2=80=9CChristmas stories=E2=80=9D is
> perfectly acceptable as a 650 for a novel about Christmas.  (Not just for=
 a
> collection of Christmas stories.  The novel would get the heading
> =E2=80=9CChristmas =E2=80=93 Fiction=E2=80=9D were that not unacceptable,=
 so it gets =E2=80=9CChristmas
> stories.=E2=80=9D)
>
>
>
> Does this sound correct?
>
>
>
> Pete Wilson
>
> Vanderbilt University
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


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Stephen Hearn, Metadata Strategist
Data Management & Access, University Libraries
University of Minnesota
170A Wilson Library (office)
160 Wilson Library (mail)
309 19th Avenue South
Minneapolis, MN 55455
Ph: 612-625-2328
Fx: 612-625-3428
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<div dir=3D"ltr">It is possible in MARC to use a $e relator term (or $4) wi=
th a 650 field. The MARC relator term &quot;setting&quot; can be used to in=
dicate a resource&#39;s relationship to an event. Christmas is an event. Th=
at said, there&#39;s nothing I can find in LC&#39;s Subject Headings Manual=
 that would support the use of &quot;650 0 $a Christmas $e setting.&quot;<d=
iv><br></div><div>Stephen</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div di=
r=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 5:27 PM Wilson, Pete=
 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]
du</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margi=
n:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex=
">





<div lang=3D"EN-US">
<div class=3D"gmail-m_8479535363904690002WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks to Adam and everyone else who commented on my=
 question about the use of =E2=80=9CChristmas stories=E2=80=9D and similar =
LCSH headings for which =E2=80=9C[Topic]=E2=80=94Fiction=E2=80=9D is a cros=
s reference.=C2=A0 The discussion has been very interesting, and I=E2=80=99=
m pleased to
 see others are bothered by those cross references.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Adam said in a post preceding the one below that LC =
would use the heading =E2=80=9CBaseball stories=E2=80=9D in a 650 for a col=
lection of short stories.=C2=A0 I was glad to see him confirm that the head=
ing can in fact be used as a 650 for a book that IS baseball
 stories (plural), rather than about baseball stories.=C2=A0 But I=E2=80=99=
m still wondering what the best answer is when I have a novel that is about=
 baseball, or Christmas.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I agree that it is very unfortunate that =E2=80=9CBa=
seball=E2=80=94Fiction=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9CChristmas=E2=80=94Fiction=E2=
=80=9D are forbidden to us, so I agree that removing these terms from the c=
ross-reference structure of the headings =E2=80=9CBaseball stories=E2=80=9D=
 and =E2=80=9CChristmas stories=E2=80=9D
 would be great.=C2=A0 But what do you do at this moment in cataloging hist=
ory with that novel about Christmas?=C2=A0 I really don=E2=80=99t want to j=
ust use =E2=80=9CChristmas=E2=80=9D as a heading, as Stephen McDonald sugge=
sted.=C2=A0
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">To me, the cross reference=E2=80=99s very existence =
says you use =E2=80=9CChristmas stories=E2=80=9D for that novel.=C2=A0 (Tha=
t is, if you follow the =E2=80=9CSpecial Provisions for Increased Subject A=
ccess to Fiction,=E2=80=9D which I think most of us want to.)<u></u><u></u>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Pete Wilson<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Vanderbilt University<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-=
top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Program for Cooperative Cataloging &lt;=
<a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" target=3D"_blank">PCCLIST@LISTS=
ERV.LOC.GOV</a>&gt;
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Adam L Schiff<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 24, 2020 7:16 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" target=3D"_blank">PC=
[log in to unmask]</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [PCCLIST] &quot;Christmas stories&quot; and similar sub=
ject headings<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:black">Yes, this=
 is exactly the sort of thing our media catalogers regularly complain about=
 to me.=C2=A0 Ghost plays is not an appropriate heading to include on a rec=
ord for a film.=C2=A0 In 2019 we made a SACO
 proposal to try to resolve one of these kinds of problems that was not app=
roved:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:black"><u></u>=
=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:black">June 2019=
 Summary of Decisions:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:black"><u></u>=
=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p><em><span style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black">Dystopian=
 plays</span></em><span style=3D"color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"color:black">This proposal was made to remove the UFs <em=
><span style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Dystopias=E2=80=94Drama</sp=
an></em> and
<em><span style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Dystopias=E2=80=94Juveni=
le drama</span></em> from the established heading. The references follow a =
well-established pattern in LCSH.=C2=A0 The proposal included a cataloger=
=E2=80=99s note opining that the UFs needed to be removed
 so that <em><span style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Dystopias=E2=80=
=94Drama</span></em> could be assigned to a television program. The genre/f=
orm term
<strong><span style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Dystopian television=
 programs</span></strong> was created for this purpose and should be assign=
ed to the work being cataloged. The proposal was not approved.<u></u><u></u=
></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"color:black">It&#39;s the same situation that you note ab=
out ghost plays.=C2=A0 The cataloger wanted to assign Dystopias--Drama to a=
 DVD for a television program.=C2=A0 That flips to Dystopian plays, which i=
s not appropriate.=C2=A0 Therefore, subject access for
 fictional moving image works that are about dystopias is lost.=C2=A0 The s=
ubject serves a different purpose from the genre/form heading and is facete=
d and indexed differently in most discovery systems.=C2=A0
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"color:black">There&#39;s also a lot of inconsistency that=
 could be confusing to clients.=C2=A0 For example, as someone noted, you ca=
n subdivide some sports by $v Fiction, but not others.=C2=A0 LCSH has Baseb=
all stories, Basketball stories, Boxing stories,
 Cricket stories, Figure skating stories, Fishing stories, Football stories=
, Golf stories, Hockey stories, Hunting stories, Soccer stories, and Tennis=
 stories, so you cannot subdivide any of those sports by $v Fiction or $v J=
uvenile fiction. But you may use
 these form subdivisions with other sports like Gymnastics, Karate, Swimmin=
g,=C2=A0Track and field, and Volleyball.=C2=A0 One way around the problem i=
s to assign class of persons headings subdivided by literary form (e.g., Ba=
seball players--Fiction).=C2=A0 That will work
 for sports, but won&#39;t always be appropriate, as you could have a baseb=
all story that isn&#39;t about baseball players or other baseball personnel=
. =C2=A0 But as we saw with the case of lawyers, it won&#39;t work for lega=
l fiction.=C2=A0 There&#39;s also a lot of inconsistency in
 UF references as to whether there is a variant from a class of persons.=C2=
=A0 Legal fiction has UF Lawyers--Fiction, but Medical fiction does not hav=
e a UF Physicians--Fiction or UF Medical personnel--Fiction.=C2=A0 Others h=
ave pointed out that a literary work that
 may have ghosts or a Christmas setting might not be considered a ghost or =
Christmas story, especially if that content is not the primary aspect of th=
e fiction.=C2=A0 The cataloger might still want to bring out that aspect if=
 it accounts for 20% or more of the work
 (per the SHM).<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:black">Ultimatel=
y, I think when LC implements LCGFT for literature they may be more incline=
d to deal with these kinds of structural problems in LCSH, although I&#39;m=
 surprised it hasn&#39;t been raised by their
 catalogers of moving image materials (but maybe they don&#39;t do much sub=
ject analysis of fiction films).=C2=A0 I understand why headings like Baseb=
all stories and Dystopian plays are needed, since there are bibliographies =
and works of criticism about them, but the
 UFs in the records are very problematic and hopefully some day will be rem=
oved.=C2=A0 At such time I would hope that a scope note would be added to t=
he headings that says that they may only be used as topical headings with a=
ppropriate subdivisions like $v Bibliography
 or $x History and criticism.=C2=A0 I do think that LC subject specialists =
would be in agreement that we need to get away from assigning form/genre he=
adings from LCSH in field 650 unless the heading is truly the subject of th=
e resource.=C2=A0 Put subjects in 650 and
 genre/form in 655.=C2=A0 If we do that, Baseball $v Fiction should be perf=
ectly ok in 655, with Baseball stories from LCSH and/or Sports fiction from=
 LCGFT in 655.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:black"><u></u>=
=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:black">Adam Schi=
ff<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:black">Principal=
 Cataloger<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:black">Universit=
y of Washington Libraries<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:black"><u></u>=
=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div class=3D"MsoNormal" align=3D"center" style=3D"text-align:center">
<hr size=3D"2" width=3D"98%" align=3D"center">
</div>
<div id=3D"gmail-m_8479535363904690002divRplyFwdMsg">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"color:black">From:</span></b><span=
 style=3D"color:black"> Program for Cooperative Cataloging &lt;</span><a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" target=3D"_blank">[log in to unmask]
OC.GOV</a><span style=3D"color:black">&gt; on behalf of Eduardo Fojo
 &lt;</span><a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" target=3D"_blank">[log in to unmask]
U</a><span style=3D"color:black">&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 24, 2020 2:50 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> </span><a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" target=3D"_bl=
ank">[log in to unmask]</a><span style=3D"color:black"> &lt;</span><a=
 href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" target=3D"_blank">PCCLIST@LISTSER=
V.LOC.GOV</a><span style=3D"color:black">&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: &quot;Christmas stories&quot; and similar subject headi=
ngs</span> <u></u>
<u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:black">I&#39;d l=
ike to be able to apply &quot;Ghosts |v Drama&quot; when cataloging DVDs/Bl=
u-rays of films like &quot;The Ghost and Mrs. Muir&quot; instead of having =
it default to &quot;Ghost plays.&quot; The latter makes it hard to distingu=
ish
 between movies and, well, plays as well as between plays about/featuring g=
hosts and works
<b>about</b> plays about/featuring ghosts. If this flummoxes catalogers, I =
can imagine how patrons and non-cataloger librarians and library staff tryi=
ng to help patrons find these materials must feel.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:black"><u></u>=
=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:black">Eduardo F=
ojo<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:black">Media Cat=
aloger Librarian, FIU Library<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" target=3D"_blank"><=
span style=3D"font-size:12pt">[log in to unmask]</span></a><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:12pt;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div class=3D"MsoNormal" align=3D"center" style=3D"text-align:center">
<hr size=3D"2" width=3D"98%" align=3D"center">
</div>
<div id=3D"gmail-m_8479535363904690002x_divRplyFwdMsg">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"color:black">From:</span></b><span=
 style=3D"color:black"> Program for Cooperative Cataloging &lt;</span><a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" target=3D"_blank">[log in to unmask]
OC.GOV</a><span style=3D"color:black">&gt; on behalf of Jessica Janecki
 &lt;</span><a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" target=3D"_blank">j=
[log in to unmask]</a><span style=3D"color:black">&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 24, 2020 5:34 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> </span><a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" target=3D"_bl=
ank">[log in to unmask]</a><span style=3D"color:black"> &lt;</span><a=
 href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" target=3D"_blank">PCCLIST@LISTSER=
V.LOC.GOV</a><span style=3D"color:black">&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [PCCLIST] &quot;Christmas stories&quot; and similar sub=
ject headings</span>
<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:1pt solid black;padding:4pt">
<p align=3D"center" style=3D"text-align:center;border:none;padding:0in"><b>=
<span style=3D"color:red">Note: This message originated from outside the FI=
U Faculty/Staff email system.<u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_8479535363904690002xxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">I would LOVE to=
 be able to apply Christmas Stories to a work *<b>about</b>* the specific g=
enre of Christmas stories and Christmas=E2=80=94fiction to a novel where Ch=
ristmas
 features prominently. </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_8479535363904690002xxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">=C2=A0</span><u=
></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_8479535363904690002xxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Jessica</span><=
u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_8479535363904690002xxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">=C2=A0</span><u=
></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-=
top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in">
<p class=3D"gmail-m_8479535363904690002xxmsonormal"><b><span style=3D"font-=
size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style=3D"fo=
nt-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> Program for Cooperative Catal=
oging &lt;</span><a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" target=3D"_bla=
nk"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">PCCLIST@L=
ISTSERV.LOC.GOV</span></a><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri=
,sans-serif">&gt;
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Adam L Schiff<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 24, 2020 5:29 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> </span><a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" target=3D"_bl=
ank"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">PCCLIST@=
LISTSERV.LOC.GOV</span></a><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibr=
i,sans-serif"><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [PCCLIST] &quot;Christmas stories&quot; and similar sub=
ject headings</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_8479535363904690002xxmsonormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p=
>
<div>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_8479535363904690002xxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-fam=
ily:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black">Actually, LC policy would be to add the=
 form heading for a collection of stories in a 650 field in addition to the=
 655.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_8479535363904690002xxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-fam=
ily:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_8479535363904690002xxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-fam=
ily:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black">650 _0=C2=A0 Baseball stories.</span><u=
></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_8479535363904690002xxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-fam=
ily:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black">655 _7=C2=A0 Sports stories. $2 lcgft</=
span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_8479535363904690002xxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-fam=
ily:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_8479535363904690002xxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-fam=
ily:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black">The drama headings are even more proble=
matic, because we use $v Drama for both plays and moving image works.=C2=A0=
 So if you try to assign</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_8479535363904690002xxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-fam=
ily:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_8479535363904690002xxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-fam=
ily:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black">650 _0=C2=A0 Lawyers $v Drama</span><u>=
</u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_8479535363904690002xxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-fam=
ily:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_8479535363904690002xxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-fam=
ily:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black">it gets turned into</span><u></u><u></u=
></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_8479535363904690002xxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-fam=
ily:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_8479535363904690002xxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-fam=
ily:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black">650 _0=C2=A0 Legal drama.</span><u></u>=
<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_8479535363904690002xxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-fam=
ily:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_8479535363904690002xxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-fam=
ily:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black">But Legal drama is a term restricted to=
 plays, so for a film you can&#39;t have a 650 at all with the concept.</sp=
an><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_8479535363904690002xxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-fam=
ily:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_8479535363904690002xxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-fam=
ily:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black">I have suggested to LC in the past that=
 they delete the UF references so that a cataloger could assign Lawyers $v =
Fiction or Lawyers $v Drama to an individual work and then add
 the appropriate LCGFT term in 655: Legal fiction (Literature), Legal drama=
 (Literature), or Legal films or Legal television programs, but they have n=
ot wanted to make such a change.=C2=A0 And it would still leave the heading=
s Legal fiction and Legal drama in LCSH
 to be used for works ABOUT those genres.=C2=A0 That might also be difficul=
t for catalogers to apply, however, and could result in people including bo=
th Legal fiction and Lawyers--Fiction to a record.=C2=A0 Which might not be=
 too terrible really.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_8479535363904690002xxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-fam=
ily:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_8479535363904690002xxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-fam=
ily:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black">Adam Schiff</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_8479535363904690002xxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-fam=
ily:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black">Principal Cataloger</span><u></u><u></u=
></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_8479535363904690002xxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-fam=
ily:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black">University of Washington Libraries</spa=
n><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class=3D"gmail-m_8479535363904690002xxmsonormal"><b><span style=3D"font-=
size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black">From:</span></b><span=
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am for Cooperative Cataloging &lt;</span><a href=3D"mailto:PCCLIST@LISTSERV=
.LOC.GOV" target=3D"_blank"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calib=
ri,sans-serif">[log in to unmask]</span></a><span style=3D"font-size:=
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EDU" target=3D"_blank"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">[log in to unmask]</span></a><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-f=
amily:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black">&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 24, 2020 12:53 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> </span><a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" target=3D"_bl=
ank"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">PCCLIST@=
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t;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black">&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: &quot;Christmas stories&quot; and similar subject headi=
ngs</span> <u></u>
<u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_8479535363904690002xxmsonormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p=
>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_8479535363904690002xxxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:12pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">H 1790 section 4 does put fairly strict limit=
s on SH for individual works of fiction. (Only used for biographical and hi=
storical fiction, basically.) The =E2=80=9CSpecial provisions=E2=80=9D at t=
he end of
 H 1790 still refer to GSAFD headings, so IMO the section needs updating. <=
/span>
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_8479535363904690002xxxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:12pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_8479535363904690002xxxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:12pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">But per H 1790 section 4, you still only use =
very specific 650s. So =E2=80=9C650 Deer hunting =E2=80=93 Fiction=E2=80=9D=
 is ok, but =E2=80=9CHunting=E2=80=94Fiction=E2=80=9D is too general. 655s =
are generally fine. If I understand H 1790.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_8479535363904690002xxxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:12pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_8479535363904690002xxxmsonormal"><span style=3D"color:r=
gb(31,73,125)">Mike Monaco (he/him)</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_8479535363904690002xxxmsonormal"><span style=3D"color:r=
gb(31,73,125)">Coordinator, Cataloging Services</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_8479535363904690002xxxmsonormal"><span style=3D"color:r=
gb(31,73,125)">261B Bierce Library</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_8479535363904690002xxxmsonormal"><span style=3D"color:r=
gb(31,73,125)">The University of Akron</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_8479535363904690002xxxmsonormal"><span style=3D"color:r=
gb(31,73,125)">Akron, Ohio 44325-1712</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_8479535363904690002xxxmsonormal"><span style=3D"color:r=
gb(31,73,125)">Office: 330-972-2446</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_8479535363904690002xxxmsonormal"><a href=3D"mailto:mmon=
[log in to unmask]" target=3D"_blank">[log in to unmask]</a><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_8479535363904690002xxxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10pt;color:rgb(31,73,125);background:white">ORCID: 0000-0001-7244-5154
</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_8479535363904690002xxxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:12pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-=
top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in">
<p class=3D"gmail-m_8479535363904690002xxxmsonormal"><b>From:</b> Program f=
or Cooperative Cataloging &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" t=
arget=3D"_blank">[log in to unmask]</a>&gt;
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Wilson, Pete<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 24, 2020 2:50 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" target=3D"_blank">PC=
[log in to unmask]</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [PCCLIST] &quot;Christmas stories&quot; and similar subject=
 headings<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_8479535363904690002xxxmsonormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></=
p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_8479535363904690002xxxmsonormal" style=3D"margin-bottom=
:12pt"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot=
;,serif;color:black;background:yellow">CAUTION: This email originated from =
outside of The University of Akron.</span><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;fon=
t-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">
</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_8479535363904690002xxxmsonormal">Hi,<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_8479535363904690002xxxmsonormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></=
p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_8479535363904690002xxxmsonormal">There are certain LCSH=
 headings like =E2=80=9CChristmas stories=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9CHunting sto=
ries=E2=80=9D which have long worried me a bit.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_8479535363904690002xxxmsonormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></=
p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_8479535363904690002xxxmsonormal">These headings have th=
e cross references =E2=80=9CChristmas =E2=80=93 Fiction=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=
=9CHunting =E2=80=93 Fiction.=E2=80=9D=C2=A0 If you want to use a subject h=
eading to say that a work is fiction about Christmas, you=E2=80=99re led th=
rough the cross reference to the 150 =E2=80=9CChristmas
 stories.=E2=80=9D =C2=A0That=E2=80=99s used instead of the topic + form co=
mbination =E2=80=9CChristmas =E2=80=93 Fiction.=E2=80=9D<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_8479535363904690002xxxmsonormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></=
p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_8479535363904690002xxxmsonormal">Yet =E2=80=9CChristmas=
 stories=E2=80=9D looks very like a form/genre heading.=C2=A0 And there=E2=
=80=99s already a perfectly good LCGFT heading, =E2=80=9CChristmas fiction.=
=E2=80=9D=C2=A0 So do you abandon your 650, instead using only a 655, =E2=
=80=9CChristmas fiction?=E2=80=9D<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_8479535363904690002xxxmsonormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></=
p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_8479535363904690002xxxmsonormal">My guess is no.=C2=A0 =
Why should we not have a 650 to say that what we=E2=80=99re cataloging is a=
bout Christmas?=C2=A0 We routinely give topical headings, subdivided=C2=A0 =
by form, to works of fiction, and =E2=80=9CChristmas stories=E2=80=9D is th=
e authority-mandated substitute
 here for the topical heading =E2=80=9CChristmas=E2=80=9D subdivided by for=
m =E2=80=9Cfiction.=E2=80=9D=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99m thinking that =E2=80=9CChris=
tmas stories=E2=80=9D is perfectly acceptable as a 650 for a novel about Ch=
ristmas.=C2=A0 (Not just for a collection of Christmas stories.=C2=A0 The n=
ovel would get the heading =E2=80=9CChristmas
 =E2=80=93 Fiction=E2=80=9D were that not unacceptable, so it gets =E2=80=
=9CChristmas stories.=E2=80=9D)<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_8479535363904690002xxxmsonormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></=
p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_8479535363904690002xxxmsonormal">Does this sound correc=
t?<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_8479535363904690002xxxmsonormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></=
p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_8479535363904690002xxxmsonormal">Pete Wilson<u></u><u><=
/u></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_8479535363904690002xxxmsonormal">Vanderbilt University<=
u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_8479535363904690002xxxmsonormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></=
p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_8479535363904690002xxxmsonormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></=
p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_8479535363904690002xxxmsonormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></=
p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_8479535363904690002xxxmsonormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></=
p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_8479535363904690002xxxmsonormal">=C2=A0=C2=A0<u></u><u>=
</u></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_8479535363904690002xxxmsonormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></=
p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_8479535363904690002xxxmsonormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></=
p>
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 class=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Step=
hen Hearn, Metadata Strategist</div>
<div>Data Management &amp; Access, University Libraries</div>
<div>University of Minnesota</div><div>170A Wilson Library (office)</div>
<div>160 Wilson Library (mail)</div>
<div>309 19th Avenue South</div>
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Hello Yang,

SHM H250 sets out the conditions for when an authority record is required
for music headings. No authority record is required for medium of
performance pattern headings, which includes certain types of vocal music
such as "Choruses, Sacred". This is why there is no authority record for
"Choruses, Sacred (Mixed voices) with continuo".

Also note that in SHM 1917.5 9.a.2), the number of choral parts is
specified only if the accompaniment meets one of these five conditions: 1)
not present in the heading; 2) for continuo; 3) for a solo instrument; 4)
for two of the same keyboard instruments; or 5) the qualifier
"Unaccompanied" is used.  Since the accompaniment is for continuo, the
number of choral parts can be specified. "Choruses, Sacred (Mixed voices, X
parts) with continuo" is a correct pattern heading.

This is a great example for why the Library of Congress Medium of
Performance Thesaurus for Music was created and why it is a preferred
method for indicating the performing forces in music cataloging.

Beth

Beth Iseminger
SACO Music Funnel Coordinator
IPAM Music Cataloger, University of Maryland
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On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 4:39 PM Yang Wang <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> I was browsing our local catalog and came across the subject heading
> =E2=80=9CChoruses, Sacred (Mixed voices) with continuo=E2=80=9D=E2=80=94w=
ith no authority control!
>
>
>
> I thought PUL might have deleted the authority record by mistaken. So I
> quickly searched in OCLC as well in LC online catalog=E2=80=94no, the AR =
is not
> there either. Instead, I saw an established sub-category =E2=80=9CChoruse=
s, Sacred
> (Mixed voices, 4 parts) with continuo=E2=80=9D (lccn: sh 85024799).  If I=
 am not
> mistaken, the latter heading should have been absorbed by the former, to
> cover a wider range of voice arrangements, following this pattern:
> =E2=80=9CChoruses, Sacred (Mixed voices) with instrumental ensemble=E2=80=
=9D (lccn: sh
> 85024813).
>
>
>
> Incidentally, there IS a FAST heading: =E2=80=9CChoruses, Sacred (Mixed v=
oices)
> with continuo. =C7=822 fast =C7=820 (OCoLC)fst01186820.=E2=80=9D Where di=
d it come from? From
> LCSH?
>
>
>
> To index all related headings properly in our local database, we need thi=
s
> authority record.
>
>
>
> I hope a music cataloger will look into this issue and help us out.
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> Yang
>
>
>
>
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hello Yang,<div><br></div><div>SHM H250 sets out the condi=
tions for when an authority record is required for music headings. No autho=
rity record is required for medium of performance pattern headings, which i=
ncludes certain types of vocal music such=C2=A0as &quot;Choruses, Sacred&qu=
ot;. This is why there is no authority record for &quot;Choruses, Sacred (M=
ixed voices) with continuo&quot;.=C2=A0=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Also=
 note that in SHM=C2=A01917.5 9.a.2), the number of choral parts is specifi=
ed only if the accompaniment meets one of=C2=A0these five conditions: 1) no=
t present in the heading; 2) for continuo; 3) for a solo instrument; 4) for=
 two of the same keyboard instruments; or 5) the qualifier &quot;Unaccompan=
ied&quot; is used.=C2=A0 Since the accompaniment=C2=A0is for continuo, the =
number of choral parts can be specified. &quot;Choruses, Sacred (Mixed voic=
es, X parts) with continuo&quot; is a correct pattern heading.</div><div><d=
iv><br></div><div>This is a great example for why the Library of Congress M=
edium of Performance Thesaurus for Music was created and why it is a prefer=
red method for indicating the performing forces in music cataloging.</div><=
div><br></div><div>Beth</div><div><br></div><div>Beth Iseminger</div><div>S=
ACO Music Funnel Coordinator</div><div>IPAM Music Cataloger, University of =
Maryland</div><div><a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">beth.iseming=
[log in to unmask]</a>=C2=A0</div><div><br></div></div></div><br><div class=3D"gm=
ail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 4:=
39 PM Yang Wang &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">yangwang@prin=
ceton.edu</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding=
-left:1ex">





<div lang=3D"EN-US">
<div class=3D"gmail-m_4811936000597535263WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,32,96)">I =
was browsing our local catalog and came across the subject heading =E2=80=
=9CChoruses, Sacred (Mixed voices) with continuo=E2=80=9D=E2=80=94with no a=
uthority control!<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,32,96)"><u=
></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,32,96)">I =
thought PUL might have deleted the authority record by mistaken. So I quick=
ly searched in OCLC as well in LC online catalog=E2=80=94no, the AR is not =
there either. Instead, I saw an established sub-category
 =E2=80=9CChoruses, Sacred (Mixed voices, 4 parts) with continuo=E2=80=9D (=
lccn: sh 85024799).=C2=A0 If I am not mistaken, the latter heading should h=
ave been absorbed by the former, to cover a wider range of voice arrangemen=
ts, following this pattern: =E2=80=9CChoruses, Sacred (Mixed
 voices) with instrumental ensemble=E2=80=9D (lccn: sh 85024813). =C2=A0=C2=
=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,32,96)">In=
cidentally, there IS a FAST heading: =E2=80=9CChoruses, Sacred (Mixed voice=
s) with continuo. =C7=822 fast =C7=820 (OCoLC)fst01186820.=E2=80=9D Where d=
id it come from? From LCSH?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,32,96)"><u=
></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,32,96)">To=
 index all related headings properly in our local database, we need this au=
thority record.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,32,96)">I =
hope a music cataloger will look into this issue and help us out.
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anks! <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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Pete,

I believe that the correct thing to do under currently LCSH policies is not=
 to assign a subject and only to assign the genre/form term Sports fiction =
for a novel about baseball, or Christmas fiction for a novel about Christma=
s.  Or you can try to find another suitable subject, e.g. Baseball players-=
-Fiction, Baseball fans--Fiction, Santa Claus--Fiction, etc.  I deduce this=
 in part from LC's editorial summary on our proposal to remove Dystopias--D=
rama from Dystopian plays.  They basically said instead of a subject headin=
g, assign a genre/form heading in 655.  SHM H 1790 section 4 explicitly say=
s: "Assign no form headings to individual works of adult fiction, children'=
s fiction, or young adult fiction."  That precludes assigning Baseball stor=
ies or Christmas stories in 650 because those are form headings.  They are =
not topical headings, so section 6 of the special provisions for increased =
subject access does not apply.

Adam Schiff
University of Washington Libraries
________________________________
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lf of Wilson, Pete <[log in to unmask]>
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To: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: "Christmas stories" and similar subject headings


Thanks to Adam and everyone else who commented on my question about the use=
 of =93Christmas stories=94 and similar LCSH headings for which =93[Topic]=
=97Fiction=94 is a cross reference.  The discussion has been very interesti=
ng, and I=92m pleased to see others are bothered by those cross references.



Adam said in a post preceding the one below that LC would use the heading =
=93Baseball stories=94 in a 650 for a collection of short stories.  I was g=
lad to see him confirm that the heading can in fact be used as a 650 for a =
book that IS baseball stories (plural), rather than about baseball stories.=
  But I=92m still wondering what the best answer is when I have a novel tha=
t is about baseball, or Christmas.



I agree that it is very unfortunate that =93Baseball=97Fiction=94 and =93Ch=
ristmas=97Fiction=94 are forbidden to us, so I agree that removing these te=
rms from the cross-reference structure of the headings =93Baseball stories=
=94 and =93Christmas stories=94 would be great.  But what do you do at this=
 moment in cataloging history with that novel about Christmas?  I really do=
n=92t want to just use =93Christmas=94 as a heading, as Stephen McDonald su=
ggested.



To me, the cross reference=92s very existence says you use =93Christmas sto=
ries=94 for that novel.  (That is, if you follow the =93Special Provisions =
for Increased Subject Access to Fiction,=94 which I think most of us want t=
o.)



Pete Wilson

Vanderbilt University



From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging <[log in to unmask]> On Beha=
lf Of Adam L Schiff
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 7:16 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] "Christmas stories" and similar subject headings



Yes, this is exactly the sort of thing our media catalogers regularly compl=
ain about to me.  Ghost plays is not an appropriate heading to include on a=
 record for a film.  In 2019 we made a SACO proposal to try to resolve one =
of these kinds of problems that was not approved:



June 2019 Summary of Decisions:



Dystopian plays

This proposal was made to remove the UFs Dystopias=97Drama and Dystopias=97=
Juvenile drama from the established heading. The references follow a well-e=
stablished pattern in LCSH.  The proposal included a cataloger=92s note opi=
ning that the UFs needed to be removed so that Dystopias=97Drama could be a=
ssigned to a television program. The genre/form term Dystopian television p=
rograms was created for this purpose and should be assigned to the work bei=
ng cataloged. The proposal was not approved.



It's the same situation that you note about ghost plays.  The cataloger wan=
ted to assign Dystopias--Drama to a DVD for a television program.  That fli=
ps to Dystopian plays, which is not appropriate.  Therefore, subject access=
 for fictional moving image works that are about dystopias is lost.  The su=
bject serves a different purpose from the genre/form heading and is faceted=
 and indexed differently in most discovery systems.



There's also a lot of inconsistency that could be confusing to clients.  Fo=
r example, as someone noted, you can subdivide some sports by $v Fiction, b=
ut not others.  LCSH has Baseball stories, Basketball stories, Boxing stori=
es, Cricket stories, Figure skating stories, Fishing stories, Football stor=
ies, Golf stories, Hockey stories, Hunting stories, Soccer stories, and Ten=
nis stories, so you cannot subdivide any of those sports by $v Fiction or $=
v Juvenile fiction. But you may use these form subdivisions with other spor=
ts like Gymnastics, Karate, Swimming, Track and field, and Volleyball.  One=
 way around the problem is to assign class of persons headings subdivided b=
y literary form (e.g., Baseball players--Fiction).  That will work for spor=
ts, but won't always be appropriate, as you could have a baseball story tha=
t isn't about baseball players or other baseball personnel.   But as we saw=
 with the case of lawyers, it won't work for legal fiction.  There's also a=
 lot of inconsistency in UF references as to whether there is a variant fro=
m a class of persons.  Legal fiction has UF Lawyers--Fiction, but Medical f=
iction does not have a UF Physicians--Fiction or UF Medical personnel--Fict=
ion.  Others have pointed out that a literary work that may have ghosts or =
a Christmas setting might not be considered a ghost or Christmas story, esp=
ecially if that content is not the primary aspect of the fiction.  The cata=
loger might still want to bring out that aspect if it accounts for 20% or m=
ore of the work (per the SHM).



Ultimately, I think when LC implements LCGFT for literature they may be mor=
e inclined to deal with these kinds of structural problems in LCSH, althoug=
h I'm surprised it hasn't been raised by their catalogers of moving image m=
aterials (but maybe they don't do much subject analysis of fiction films). =
 I understand why headings like Baseball stories and Dystopian plays are ne=
eded, since there are bibliographies and works of criticism about them, but=
 the UFs in the records are very problematic and hopefully some day will be=
 removed.  At such time I would hope that a scope note would be added to th=
e headings that says that they may only be used as topical headings with ap=
propriate subdivisions like $v Bibliography or $x History and criticism.  I=
 do think that LC subject specialists would be in agreement that we need to=
 get away from assigning form/genre headings from LCSH in field 650 unless =
the heading is truly the subject of the resource.  Put subjects in 650 and =
genre/form in 655.  If we do that, Baseball $v Fiction should be perfectly =
ok in 655, with Baseball stories from LCSH and/or Sports fiction from LCGFT=
 in 655.



Adam Schiff

Principal Cataloger

University of Washington Libraries



________________________________

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I'd like to be able to apply "Ghosts |v Drama" when cataloging DVDs/Blu-ray=
s of films like "The Ghost and Mrs. Muir" instead of having it default to "=
Ghost plays." The latter makes it hard to distinguish between movies and, w=
ell, plays as well as between plays about/featuring ghosts and works about =
plays about/featuring ghosts. If this flummoxes catalogers, I can imagine h=
ow patrons and non-cataloger librarians and library staff trying to help pa=
trons find these materials must feel.



Eduardo Fojo

Media Cataloger Librarian, FIU Library

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[log in to unmask]>> on behalf of Jessica Janecki <jessica.janecki@DUK=
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Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] "Christmas stories" and similar subject headings



Note: This message originated from outside the FIU Faculty/Staff email syst=
em.



I would LOVE to be able to apply Christmas Stories to a work *about* the sp=
ecific genre of Christmas stories and Christmas=97fiction to a novel where =
Christmas features prominently.



Jessica



From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging <[log in to unmask]<mailto:P=
[log in to unmask]>> On Behalf Of Adam L Schiff
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 5:29 PM
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Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] "Christmas stories" and similar subject headings



Actually, LC policy would be to add the form heading for a collection of st=
ories in a 650 field in addition to the 655.



650 _0  Baseball stories.

655 _7  Sports stories. $2 lcgft



The drama headings are even more problematic, because we use $v Drama for b=
oth plays and moving image works.  So if you try to assign



650 _0  Lawyers $v Drama



it gets turned into



650 _0  Legal drama.



But Legal drama is a term restricted to plays, so for a film you can't have=
 a 650 at all with the concept.



I have suggested to LC in the past that they delete the UF references so th=
at a cataloger could assign Lawyers $v Fiction or Lawyers $v Drama to an in=
dividual work and then add the appropriate LCGFT term in 655: Legal fiction=
 (Literature), Legal drama (Literature), or Legal films or Legal television=
 programs, but they have not wanted to make such a change.  And it would st=
ill leave the headings Legal fiction and Legal drama in LCSH to be used for=
 works ABOUT those genres.  That might also be difficult for catalogers to =
apply, however, and could result in people including both Legal fiction and=
 Lawyers--Fiction to a record.  Which might not be too terrible really.



Adam Schiff

Principal Cataloger

University of Washington Libraries

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Subject: Re: "Christmas stories" and similar subject headings



H 1790 section 4 does put fairly strict limits on SH for individual works o=
f fiction. (Only used for biographical and historical fiction, basically.) =
The =93Special provisions=94 at the end of H 1790 still refer to GSAFD head=
ings, so IMO the section needs updating.



But per H 1790 section 4, you still only use very specific 650s. So =93650 =
Deer hunting =96 Fiction=94 is ok, but =93Hunting=97Fiction=94 is too gener=
al. 655s are generally fine. If I understand H 1790.



Mike Monaco (he/him)

Coordinator, Cataloging Services

261B Bierce Library

The University of Akron

Akron, Ohio 44325-1712

Office: 330-972-2446

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ORCID: 0000-0001-7244-5154



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Subject: [PCCLIST] "Christmas stories" and similar subject headings



CAUTION: This email originated from outside of The University of Akron.

Hi,



There are certain LCSH headings like =93Christmas stories=94 and =93Hunting=
 stories=94 which have long worried me a bit.



These headings have the cross references =93Christmas =96 Fiction=94 and =
=93Hunting =96 Fiction.=94  If you want to use a subject heading to say tha=
t a work is fiction about Christmas, you=92re led through the cross referen=
ce to the 150 =93Christmas stories.=94  That=92s used instead of the topic =
+ form combination =93Christmas =96 Fiction.=94



Yet =93Christmas stories=94 looks very like a form/genre heading.  And ther=
e=92s already a perfectly good LCGFT heading, =93Christmas fiction.=94  So =
do you abandon your 650, instead using only a 655, =93Christmas fiction?=94



My guess is no.  Why should we not have a 650 to say that what we=92re cata=
loging is about Christmas?  We routinely give topical headings, subdivided =
 by form, to works of fiction, and =93Christmas stories=94 is the authority=
-mandated substitute here for the topical heading =93Christmas=94 subdivide=
d by form =93fiction.=94  I=92m thinking that =93Christmas stories=94 is pe=
rfectly acceptable as a 650 for a novel about Christmas.  (Not just for a c=
ollection of Christmas stories.  The novel would get the heading =93Christm=
as =96 Fiction=94 were that not unacceptable, so it gets =93Christmas stori=
es.=94)



Does this sound correct?



Pete Wilson

Vanderbilt University















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s.&nbsp; Or you can try to find another
 suitable subject, e.g. Baseball players--Fiction, Baseball fans--Fiction, =
Santa Claus--Fiction, etc.&nbsp; I deduce this in part from LC's editorial =
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<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Program for Cooperative Cataloging &l=
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Adam L Schiff<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 24, 2020 7:16 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> [log in to unmask]<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [PCCLIST] &quot;Christmas stories&quot; and similar sub=
ject headings</p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; color:black">Yes,=
 this is exactly the sort of thing our media catalogers regularly complain =
about to me.&nbsp; Ghost plays is not an appropriate heading to include on =
a record for a film.&nbsp; In 2019 we made a SACO
 proposal to try to resolve one of these kinds of problems that was not app=
roved:</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; color:black">&nbs=
p;</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; color:black">June=
 2019 Summary of Decisions:</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; color:black">&nbs=
p;</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p><em><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif; color:bla=
ck">Dystopian plays</span></em><span style=3D"color:black"></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"color:black">This proposal was made to remove the UFs <em=
><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">Dystopias=97Dra=
ma</span></em> and
<em><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">Dystopias=97=
Juvenile drama</span></em> from the established heading. The references fol=
low a well-established pattern in LCSH.&nbsp; The proposal included a catal=
oger=92s note opining that the UFs needed to be removed
 so that <em><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">Dys=
topias=97Drama</span></em> could be assigned to a television program. The g=
enre/form term
<strong><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">Dystopia=
n television programs</span></strong> was created for this purpose and shou=
ld be assigned to the work being cataloged. The proposal was not approved.<=
/span></p>
<p><span style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p><span style=3D"color:black">It's the same situation that you note about =
ghost plays.&nbsp; The cataloger wanted to assign Dystopias--Drama to a DVD=
 for a television program.&nbsp; That flips to Dystopian plays, which is no=
t appropriate.&nbsp; Therefore, subject access for
 fictional moving image works that are about dystopias is lost.&nbsp; The s=
ubject serves a different purpose from the genre/form heading and is facete=
d and indexed differently in most discovery systems.&nbsp;
</span></p>
<p><span style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p><span style=3D"color:black">There's also a lot of inconsistency that cou=
ld be confusing to clients.&nbsp; For example, as someone noted, you can su=
bdivide some sports by $v Fiction, but not others.&nbsp; LCSH has Baseball =
stories, Basketball stories, Boxing stories,
 Cricket stories, Figure skating stories, Fishing stories, Football stories=
, Golf stories, Hockey stories, Hunting stories, Soccer stories, and Tennis=
 stories, so you cannot subdivide any of those sports by $v Fiction or $v J=
uvenile fiction. But you may use
 these form subdivisions with other sports like Gymnastics, Karate, Swimmin=
g,&nbsp;Track and field, and Volleyball.&nbsp; One way around the problem i=
s to assign class of persons headings subdivided by literary form (e.g., Ba=
seball players--Fiction).&nbsp; That will work
 for sports, but won't always be appropriate, as you could have a baseball =
story that isn't about baseball players or other baseball personnel. &nbsp;=
 But as we saw with the case of lawyers, it won't work for legal fiction.&n=
bsp; There's also a lot of inconsistency in
 UF references as to whether there is a variant from a class of persons.&nb=
sp; Legal fiction has UF Lawyers--Fiction, but Medical fiction does not hav=
e a UF Physicians--Fiction or UF Medical personnel--Fiction.&nbsp; Others h=
ave pointed out that a literary work that
 may have ghosts or a Christmas setting might not be considered a ghost or =
Christmas story, especially if that content is not the primary aspect of th=
e fiction.&nbsp; The cataloger might still want to bring out that aspect if=
 it accounts for 20% or more of the work
 (per the SHM).</span></p>
<p><span style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;</span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; color:black">Ulti=
mately, I think when LC implements LCGFT for literature they may be more in=
clined to deal with these kinds of structural problems in LCSH, although I'=
m surprised it hasn't been raised by
 their catalogers of moving image materials (but maybe they don't do much s=
ubject analysis of fiction films).&nbsp; I understand why headings like Bas=
eball stories and Dystopian plays are needed, since there are bibliographie=
s and works of criticism about them,
 but the UFs in the records are very problematic and hopefully some day wil=
l be removed.&nbsp; At such time I would hope that a scope note would be ad=
ded to the headings that says that they may only be used as topical heading=
s with appropriate subdivisions like
 $v Bibliography or $x History and criticism.&nbsp; I do think that LC subj=
ect specialists would be in agreement that we need to get away from assigni=
ng form/genre headings from LCSH in field 650 unless the heading is truly t=
he subject of the resource.&nbsp; Put subjects
 in 650 and genre/form in 655.&nbsp; If we do that, Baseball $v Fiction sho=
uld be perfectly ok in 655, with Baseball stories from LCSH and/or Sports f=
iction from LCGFT in 655.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; color:black">&nbs=
p;</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; color:black">Adam=
 Schiff</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; color:black">Prin=
cipal Cataloger</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; color:black">Univ=
ersity of Washington Libraries</span></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; color:black">&nbs=
p;</span></p>
</div>
<div class=3D"x_MsoNormal" align=3D"center" style=3D"text-align:center">
<hr size=3D"2" width=3D"98%" align=3D"center">
</div>
<div id=3D"x_divRplyFwdMsg">
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"color:black">From:</span></b><sp=
an style=3D"color:black"> Program for Cooperative Cataloging &lt;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><span =
style=3D"color:black">&gt; on behalf of Eduardo
 Fojo &lt;</span><a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><span st=
yle=3D"color:black">&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 24, 2020 2:50 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> </span><a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">PCCLIST@LISTS=
ERV.LOC.GOV</a><span style=3D"color:black"> &lt;</span><a href=3D"mailto:PC=
[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><span style=3D"color:bl=
ack">&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: &quot;Christmas stories&quot; and similar subject headi=
ngs</span> </p>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; color:black">I'd =
like to be able to apply &quot;Ghosts |v Drama&quot; when cataloging DVDs/B=
lu-rays of films like &quot;The Ghost and Mrs. Muir&quot; instead of having=
 it default to &quot;Ghost plays.&quot; The latter makes it hard to
 distinguish between movies and, well, plays as well as between plays about=
/featuring ghosts and works
<b>about</b> plays about/featuring ghosts. If this flummoxes catalogers, I =
can imagine how patrons and non-cataloger librarians and library staff tryi=
ng to help patrons find these materials must feel.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; color:black">&nbs=
p;</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; color:black">Edua=
rdo Fojo</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; color:black">Medi=
a Cataloger Librarian, FIU Library</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]"><span style=3D"fo=
nt-size:12.0pt">[log in to unmask]</span></a><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; co=
lor:black"></span></p>
</div>
<div class=3D"x_MsoNormal" align=3D"center" style=3D"text-align:center">
<hr size=3D"2" width=3D"98%" align=3D"center">
</div>
<div id=3D"x_x_divRplyFwdMsg">
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"color:black">From:</span></b><sp=
an style=3D"color:black"> Program for Cooperative Cataloging &lt;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><span =
style=3D"color:black">&gt; on behalf of Jessica
 Janecki &lt;</span><a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">jessica.jan=
[log in to unmask]</a><span style=3D"color:black">&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 24, 2020 5:34 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> </span><a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">PCCLIST@LISTS=
ERV.LOC.GOV</a><span style=3D"color:black"> &lt;</span><a href=3D"mailto:PC=
[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><span style=3D"color:bl=
ack">&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [PCCLIST] &quot;Christmas stories&quot; and similar sub=
ject headings</span>
</p>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:solid black 1.0pt; padding:4.0pt 4.0pt 4.0pt 4.0pt">
<p align=3D"center" style=3D"text-align:center; border:none; padding:0in"><=
b><span style=3D"color:red">Note: This message originated from outside the =
FIU Faculty/Staff email system.</span></b></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_xxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:&qu=
ot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif; color:#1F497D">I would LOVE to be able to appl=
y Christmas Stories to a work *<b>about</b>* the specific genre of Christma=
s stories and Christmas=97fiction to a novel where
 Christmas features prominently. </span></p>
<p class=3D"x_xxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:&qu=
ot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif; color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_xxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:&qu=
ot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Jessica</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_xxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:&qu=
ot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif; color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none; border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt; padding:3.0pt 0i=
n 0in 0in">
<p class=3D"x_xxmsonormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:=
&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11=
.0pt; font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"> Program for Cooperative =
Cataloging &lt;</span><a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]"><span sty=
le=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">PCCLIST=
@LISTSERV.LOC.GOV</span></a><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:&q=
uot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">&gt;
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Adam L Schiff<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 24, 2020 5:29 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> </span><a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]"><span style=
=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">PCCLIST@L=
ISTSERV.LOC.GOV</span></a><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:&quo=
t;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [PCCLIST] &quot;Christmas stories&quot; and similar sub=
ject headings</span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"x_xxmsonormal">&nbsp;</p>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_xxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,s=
ans-serif; color:black">Actually, LC policy would be to add the form headin=
g for a collection of stories in a 650 field in addition to the 655.</span>=
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_xxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,s=
ans-serif; color:black">&nbsp;</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_xxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,s=
ans-serif; color:black">650 _0&nbsp; Baseball stories.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_xxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,s=
ans-serif; color:black">655 _7&nbsp; Sports stories. $2 lcgft</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_xxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,s=
ans-serif; color:black">&nbsp;</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_xxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,s=
ans-serif; color:black">The drama headings are even more problematic, becau=
se we use $v Drama for both plays and moving image works.&nbsp; So if you t=
ry to assign</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_xxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,s=
ans-serif; color:black">&nbsp;</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_xxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,s=
ans-serif; color:black">650 _0&nbsp; Lawyers $v Drama</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_xxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,s=
ans-serif; color:black">&nbsp;</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_xxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,s=
ans-serif; color:black">it gets turned into</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_xxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,s=
ans-serif; color:black">&nbsp;</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_xxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,s=
ans-serif; color:black">650 _0&nbsp; Legal drama.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_xxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,s=
ans-serif; color:black">&nbsp;</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_xxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,s=
ans-serif; color:black">But Legal drama is a term restricted to plays, so f=
or a film you can't have a 650 at all with the concept.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_xxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,s=
ans-serif; color:black">&nbsp;</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_xxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,s=
ans-serif; color:black">I have suggested to LC in the past that they delete=
 the UF references so that a cataloger could assign Lawyers $v Fiction or L=
awyers $v Drama to an individual work and then
 add the appropriate LCGFT term in 655: Legal fiction (Literature), Legal d=
rama (Literature), or Legal films or Legal television programs, but they ha=
ve not wanted to make such a change.&nbsp; And it would still leave the hea=
dings Legal fiction and Legal drama in
 LCSH to be used for works ABOUT those genres.&nbsp; That might also be dif=
ficult for catalogers to apply, however, and could result in people includi=
ng both Legal fiction and Lawyers--Fiction to a record.&nbsp; Which might n=
ot be too terrible really.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_xxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,s=
ans-serif; color:black">&nbsp;</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_xxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,s=
ans-serif; color:black">Adam Schiff</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_xxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,s=
ans-serif; color:black">Principal Cataloger</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_xxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,s=
ans-serif; color:black">University of Washington Libraries</span></p>
</div>
<div class=3D"x_MsoNormal" align=3D"center" style=3D"text-align:center"><sp=
an style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif=
">
<hr size=3D"3" width=3D"98%" align=3D"center">
</span></div>
<div id=3D"x_x_x_divRplyFwdMsg">
<p class=3D"x_xxmsonormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:=
&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif; color:black">From:</span></b><span style=3D=
"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif; color:black"=
> Program for Cooperative Cataloging &lt;</span><a href=3D"mailto:PCCLIST@L=
ISTSERV.LOC.GOV"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:&quot;Calibri=
&quot;,sans-serif">[log in to unmask]</span></a><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:11.0pt; font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif; color:black">&gt;
 on behalf of Monaco,Michael J &lt;</span><a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]
EDU"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif">[log in to unmask]</span></a><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-f=
amily:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif; color:black">&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 24, 2020 12:53 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> </span><a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]"><span style=
=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">PCCLIST@L=
ISTSERV.LOC.GOV</span></a><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:&quo=
t;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif; color:black"> &lt;</span><a href=3D"mailto:PCCL=
[log in to unmask]"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif">[log in to unmask]</span></a><span style=3D"f=
ont-size:11.0pt; font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif; color:black">&=
gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: &quot;Christmas stories&quot; and similar subject headi=
ngs</span> </p>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_xxmsonormal">&nbsp;</p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_xxxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; color:#1F497D"=
>H 1790 section 4 does put fairly strict limits on SH for individual works =
of fiction. (Only used for biographical and historical fiction, basically.)=
 The =93Special provisions=94 at the end
 of H 1790 still refer to GSAFD headings, so IMO the section needs updating=
. </span>
</p>
<p class=3D"x_xxxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; color:#1F497D"=
>&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_xxxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; color:#1F497D"=
>But per H 1790 section 4, you still only use very specific 650s. So =93650=
 Deer hunting =96 Fiction=94 is ok, but =93Hunting=97Fiction=94 is too gene=
ral. 655s are generally fine. If I understand H
 1790.</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_xxxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; color:#1F497D"=
>&nbsp;</span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_xxxmsonormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Mike Monaco (he/h=
im)</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_xxxmsonormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Coordinator, Cata=
loging Services</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_xxxmsonormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">261B Bierce Libra=
ry</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_xxxmsonormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">The University of=
 Akron</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_xxxmsonormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Akron, Ohio 44325=
-1712</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_xxxmsonormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Office: 330-972-2=
446</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_xxxmsonormal"><a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">mmonaco@u=
akron.edu</a></p>
<p class=3D"x_xxxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; color:#1F497D;=
 background:white">ORCID: 0000-0001-7244-5154
</span></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"x_xxxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; color:#1F497D"=
>&nbsp;</span></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none; border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt; padding:3.0pt 0i=
n 0in 0in">
<p class=3D"x_xxxmsonormal"><b>From:</b> Program for Cooperative Cataloging=
 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</=
a>&gt;
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Wilson, Pete<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 24, 2020 2:50 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]
.GOV</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [PCCLIST] &quot;Christmas stories&quot; and similar subject=
 headings</p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"x_xxxmsonormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"x_xxxmsonormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"f=
ont-size:12.0pt; font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif; color:black=
; background:yellow">CAUTION: This email originated from outside of The Uni=
versity of Akron.</span><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family:&quot;=
Times New Roman&quot;,serif">
</span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_xxxmsonormal">Hi,</p>
<p class=3D"x_xxxmsonormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"x_xxxmsonormal">There are certain LCSH headings like =93Christm=
as stories=94 and =93Hunting stories=94 which have long worried me a bit.</=
p>
<p class=3D"x_xxxmsonormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"x_xxxmsonormal">These headings have the cross references =93Chr=
istmas =96 Fiction=94 and =93Hunting =96 Fiction.=94&nbsp; If you want to u=
se a subject heading to say that a work is fiction about Christmas, you=92r=
e led through the cross reference to the 150 =93Christmas
 stories.=94 &nbsp;That=92s used instead of the topic &#43; form combinatio=
n =93Christmas =96 Fiction.=94</p>
<p class=3D"x_xxxmsonormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"x_xxxmsonormal">Yet =93Christmas stories=94 looks very like a f=
orm/genre heading. &nbsp;And there=92s already a perfectly good LCGFT headi=
ng, =93Christmas fiction.=94&nbsp; So do you abandon your 650, instead usin=
g only a 655, =93Christmas fiction?=94</p>
<p class=3D"x_xxxmsonormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"x_xxxmsonormal">My guess is no.&nbsp; Why should we not have a =
650 to say that what we=92re cataloging is about Christmas?&nbsp; We routin=
ely give topical headings, subdivided&nbsp; by form, to works of fiction, a=
nd =93Christmas stories=94 is the authority-mandated substitute
 here for the topical heading =93Christmas=94 subdivided by form =93fiction=
.=94&nbsp; I=92m thinking that =93Christmas stories=94 is perfectly accepta=
ble as a 650 for a novel about Christmas.&nbsp; (Not just for a collection =
of Christmas stories.&nbsp; The novel would get the heading =93Christmas
 =96 Fiction=94 were that not unacceptable, so it gets =93Christmas stories=
.=94)</p>
<p class=3D"x_xxxmsonormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"x_xxxmsonormal">Does this sound correct?</p>
<p class=3D"x_xxxmsonormal">&nbsp;</p>
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I started trying to work out part of this (collecting evidence to show that
that the subject usage and later name for Guanabara (Brazil : State) should
be changed from Rio de Janeiro (Brazil : State) to Rio de Janeiro (Brazil))
a few years ago, but never finished.  I agree with your analysis here.

Robert Rendall



Principal Serials Cataloger

Original and Special Materials Cataloging, Columbia University Libraries

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wrote:

> The NAR for Distrito Federal (Brazil) [LCCN n  80083597] seems to have
> been used for descriptive purposes for the old federal district
> (1889-1960), which was essentially the same as the city of Rio de Janeiro=
,
> and the current federal district where Brasilia is located (since 1960).
> However, the record has a 667 that says subject usage is only for the
> current district.
>
>
>
> It doesn=E2=80=99t make sense to use the same heading for both districts =
for
> descriptive purposes. Doing so conflicts with the coordinates in the 034
> fields. However, the record has some references using the name Rio de
> Janeiro.
>
>
>
> Some of the government bodies that have been established were part of the
> old district, e.g., Distrito Federal (Brazil). =C7=82b Comissa=CC=83o de =
Transporte
> Coletivo.
>
>
>
> I believe the old federal district should be established separately,
> probably with date qualifier. When the capital moved to Brasilia, the old
> district became the state of Guanabara.  Its territory was the same as th=
e
> city of Rio de Janeiro, which was surrounded by the much larger state of
> Rio de Janeiro.  The state of Guanabara was dissolved in 1975 and it merg=
ed
> into the state of Rio de Janeiro.  However, the NAR for Guanabara has a 6=
67
> that says to use Rio de Janeiro (Brazil : State) for subject usage,
> possibly because of imprecise language in a source consulted, but I think
> it would be more correct to use the city, which covered the same territor=
y
> as Guanabara.  By the same token, Rio de Janeiro (Brazil : State) should
> not be given as the later name for Guanabara.
>
>
>
> Thoughts?
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------
>
> John Hostage
>
> Senior Continuing Resources Cataloger
>
> Harvard Library--Information and Technical Services
>
> Langdell Hall 194
>
> Harvard Law School Library
>
> Cambridge, MA 02138
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">I started trying to work out part of this=
 (collecting evidence to show that that the subject usage and later name fo=
r Guanabara (Brazil : State) should be changed from Rio de Janeiro (Brazil =
: State) to Rio de Janeiro (Brazil)) a few years ago, but never finished.=
=C2=A0 I agree with your analysis here.<div><br><div><div><div><div dir=3D"=
ltr" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"l=
tr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><p class=3D"MsoNormal" styl=
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f">Robert
Rendall<span></span></span></p>

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and Special Materials Cataloging, Columbia University Libraries<span></span=
></span></p>

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t;font-family:Garamond,serif">C.V.
Starr East Asian Library, Columbia University Libraries<span></span></span>=
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"gmail_attr">On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 4:36 PM Hostage, John &lt;<a href=3D"m=
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The NAR for Distrito Federal (Brazil) [LCCN n=C2=A0 =
80083597] seems to have been used for descriptive purposes for the old fede=
ral district (1889-1960), which was essentially the same as the city of Rio=
 de Janeiro, and the current federal district
 where Brasilia is located (since 1960).=C2=A0 However, the record has a 66=
7 that says subject usage is only for the current district.<u></u><u></u></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">It doesn=E2=80=99t make sense to use the same headin=
g for both districts for descriptive purposes. Doing so conflicts with the =
coordinates in the 034 fields. However, the record has some references usin=
g the name Rio de Janeiro.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Some of the government bodies that have been establi=
shed were part of the old district, e.g., Distrito Federal (Brazil). =C7=82=
b Comissa=CC=83o de Transporte Coletivo.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I believe the old federal district should be establi=
shed separately, probably with date qualifier. When the capital moved to Br=
asilia, the old district became the state of Guanabara.=C2=A0 Its territory=
 was the same as the city of Rio de Janeiro,
 which was surrounded by the much larger state of Rio de Janeiro.=C2=A0 The=
 state of Guanabara was dissolved in 1975 and it merged into the state of R=
io de Janeiro.=C2=A0 However, the NAR for Guanabara has a 667 that says to =
use Rio de Janeiro (Brazil : State) for subject
 usage, possibly because of imprecise language in a source consulted, but I=
 think it would be more correct to use the city, which covered the same ter=
ritory as Guanabara.=C2=A0 By the same token, Rio de Janeiro (Brazil : Stat=
e) should not be given as the later name
 for Guanabara.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thoughts?<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
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LD4 Conference on Linked Data in Libraries: July 2020

Conference schedule: http://ld42020.sched.com
Sessions begin on July 6th


The Program Committee is thrilled to announce that registration for the 202=
0 LD4 Conference is open at http://ld42020.sched.com. The schedule is now a=
vailable with over 50 presentations, workshops, lightning talks, and papers=
 demonstrating the concrete ways that linked data benefits GLAM institution=
s and pathways to participation. The conference is free to attend: choose o=
ne session or many!


Whether you have already implemented linked data in your work or are just g=
etting started, the conference sessions  will give you a better understandi=
ng of what linked data is, how it can be used, and what you can do to get s=
tarted or continue to incorporate linked data in your institutions or proje=
cts. By bringing together a broad range of perspectives, and centering dive=
rsity, equity, inclusion, and ethics in our discussions, we aim to create a=
 community of practice for linked data in libraries.


We encourage you to create a Sched account<https://sched.com/support/guide/=
sign-up-for-an-event/#create> so that you can create a personalized schedul=
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alize-your-schedule/#add> and receive messages and reminders specific to th=
e sessions that you sign up for. (You will need to create a Sched account i=
n order to attend one of our two introductory workshops, which have limited=
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For questions about the LD4 Conference, please contact the conference co-ch=
airs at [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]
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We hope that you=92ll join us!


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Hilary Thorsen (Stanford University) and Christine Fernsebner Eslao (Harvar=
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Adam,

I see your logic, but honestly I think the conclusion is unacceptable, if c=
lear.  Something really needs to be done about those unfortunate cross-refe=
rences, I guess.  Does anyone know what the logic was for creating them in =
the first place?

Pete Wilson
Vanderbilt University

From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging <[log in to unmask]> On Beha=
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To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] "Christmas stories" and similar subject headings

Pete,

I believe that the correct thing to do under currently LCSH policies is not=
 to assign a subject and only to assign the genre/form term Sports fiction =
for a novel about baseball, or Christmas fiction for a novel about Christma=
s.  Or you can try to find another suitable subject, e.g. Baseball players-=
-Fiction, Baseball fans--Fiction, Santa Claus--Fiction, etc.  I deduce this=
 in part from LC's editorial summary on our proposal to remove Dystopias--D=
rama from Dystopian plays.  They basically said instead of a subject headin=
g, assign a genre/form heading in 655.  SHM H 1790 section 4 explicitly say=
s: "Assign no form headings to individual works of adult fiction, children'=
s fiction, or young adult fiction."  That precludes assigning Baseball stor=
ies or Christmas stories in 650 because those are form headings.  They are =
not topical headings, so section 6 of the special provisions for increased =
subject access does not apply.

Adam Schiff
University of Washington Libraries
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Subject: Re: "Christmas stories" and similar subject headings


Thanks to Adam and everyone else who commented on my question about the use=
 of "Christmas stories" and similar LCSH headings for which "[Topic]-Fictio=
n" is a cross reference.  The discussion has been very interesting, and I'm=
 pleased to see others are bothered by those cross references.



Adam said in a post preceding the one below that LC would use the heading "=
Baseball stories" in a 650 for a collection of short stories.  I was glad t=
o see him confirm that the heading can in fact be used as a 650 for a book =
that IS baseball stories (plural), rather than about baseball stories.  But=
 I'm still wondering what the best answer is when I have a novel that is ab=
out baseball, or Christmas.



I agree that it is very unfortunate that "Baseball-Fiction" and "Christmas-=
Fiction" are forbidden to us, so I agree that removing these terms from the=
 cross-reference structure of the headings "Baseball stories" and "Christma=
s stories" would be great.  But what do you do at this moment in cataloging=
 history with that novel about Christmas?  I really don't want to just use =
"Christmas" as a heading, as Stephen McDonald suggested.



To me, the cross reference's very existence says you use "Christmas stories=
" for that novel.  (That is, if you follow the "Special Provisions for Incr=
eased Subject Access to Fiction," which I think most of us want to.)



Pete Wilson

Vanderbilt University



From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging <[log in to unmask]<mailto:P=
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Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 7:16 PM
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Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] "Christmas stories" and similar subject headings



Yes, this is exactly the sort of thing our media catalogers regularly compl=
ain about to me.  Ghost plays is not an appropriate heading to include on a=
 record for a film.  In 2019 we made a SACO proposal to try to resolve one =
of these kinds of problems that was not approved:



June 2019 Summary of Decisions:



Dystopian plays

This proposal was made to remove the UFs Dystopias-Drama and Dystopias-Juve=
nile drama from the established heading. The references follow a well-estab=
lished pattern in LCSH.  The proposal included a cataloger's note opining t=
hat the UFs needed to be removed so that Dystopias-Drama could be assigned =
to a television program. The genre/form term Dystopian television programs =
was created for this purpose and should be assigned to the work being catal=
oged. The proposal was not approved.



It's the same situation that you note about ghost plays.  The cataloger wan=
ted to assign Dystopias--Drama to a DVD for a television program.  That fli=
ps to Dystopian plays, which is not appropriate.  Therefore, subject access=
 for fictional moving image works that are about dystopias is lost.  The su=
bject serves a different purpose from the genre/form heading and is faceted=
 and indexed differently in most discovery systems.



There's also a lot of inconsistency that could be confusing to clients.  Fo=
r example, as someone noted, you can subdivide some sports by $v Fiction, b=
ut not others.  LCSH has Baseball stories, Basketball stories, Boxing stori=
es, Cricket stories, Figure skating stories, Fishing stories, Football stor=
ies, Golf stories, Hockey stories, Hunting stories, Soccer stories, and Ten=
nis stories, so you cannot subdivide any of those sports by $v Fiction or $=
v Juvenile fiction. But you may use these form subdivisions with other spor=
ts like Gymnastics, Karate, Swimming, Track and field, and Volleyball.  One=
 way around the problem is to assign class of persons headings subdivided b=
y literary form (e.g., Baseball players--Fiction).  That will work for spor=
ts, but won't always be appropriate, as you could have a baseball story tha=
t isn't about baseball players or other baseball personnel.   But as we saw=
 with the case of lawyers, it won't work for legal fiction.  There's also a=
 lot of inconsistency in UF references as to whether there is a variant fro=
m a class of persons.  Legal fiction has UF Lawyers--Fiction, but Medical f=
iction does not have a UF Physicians--Fiction or UF Medical personnel--Fict=
ion.  Others have pointed out that a literary work that may have ghosts or =
a Christmas setting might not be considered a ghost or Christmas story, esp=
ecially if that content is not the primary aspect of the fiction.  The cata=
loger might still want to bring out that aspect if it accounts for 20% or m=
ore of the work (per the SHM).



Ultimately, I think when LC implements LCGFT for literature they may be mor=
e inclined to deal with these kinds of structural problems in LCSH, althoug=
h I'm surprised it hasn't been raised by their catalogers of moving image m=
aterials (but maybe they don't do much subject analysis of fiction films). =
 I understand why headings like Baseball stories and Dystopian plays are ne=
eded, since there are bibliographies and works of criticism about them, but=
 the UFs in the records are very problematic and hopefully some day will be=
 removed.  At such time I would hope that a scope note would be added to th=
e headings that says that they may only be used as topical headings with ap=
propriate subdivisions like $v Bibliography or $x History and criticism.  I=
 do think that LC subject specialists would be in agreement that we need to=
 get away from assigning form/genre headings from LCSH in field 650 unless =
the heading is truly the subject of the resource.  Put subjects in 650 and =
genre/form in 655.  If we do that, Baseball $v Fiction should be perfectly =
ok in 655, with Baseball stories from LCSH and/or Sports fiction from LCGFT=
 in 655.



Adam Schiff

Principal Cataloger

University of Washington Libraries



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I'd like to be able to apply "Ghosts |v Drama" when cataloging DVDs/Blu-ray=
s of films like "The Ghost and Mrs. Muir" instead of having it default to "=
Ghost plays." The latter makes it hard to distinguish between movies and, w=
ell, plays as well as between plays about/featuring ghosts and works about =
plays about/featuring ghosts. If this flummoxes catalogers, I can imagine h=
ow patrons and non-cataloger librarians and library staff trying to help pa=
trons find these materials must feel.



Eduardo Fojo

Media Cataloger Librarian, FIU Library

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Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] "Christmas stories" and similar subject headings



Note: This message originated from outside the FIU Faculty/Staff email syst=
em.



I would LOVE to be able to apply Christmas Stories to a work *about* the sp=
ecific genre of Christmas stories and Christmas-fiction to a novel where Ch=
ristmas features prominently.



Jessica



From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging <[log in to unmask]<mailto:P=
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Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 5:29 PM
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Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] "Christmas stories" and similar subject headings



Actually, LC policy would be to add the form heading for a collection of st=
ories in a 650 field in addition to the 655.



650 _0  Baseball stories.

655 _7  Sports stories. $2 lcgft



The drama headings are even more problematic, because we use $v Drama for b=
oth plays and moving image works.  So if you try to assign



650 _0  Lawyers $v Drama



it gets turned into



650 _0  Legal drama.



But Legal drama is a term restricted to plays, so for a film you can't have=
 a 650 at all with the concept.



I have suggested to LC in the past that they delete the UF references so th=
at a cataloger could assign Lawyers $v Fiction or Lawyers $v Drama to an in=
dividual work and then add the appropriate LCGFT term in 655: Legal fiction=
 (Literature), Legal drama (Literature), or Legal films or Legal television=
 programs, but they have not wanted to make such a change.  And it would st=
ill leave the headings Legal fiction and Legal drama in LCSH to be used for=
 works ABOUT those genres.  That might also be difficult for catalogers to =
apply, however, and could result in people including both Legal fiction and=
 Lawyers--Fiction to a record.  Which might not be too terrible really.



Adam Schiff

Principal Cataloger

University of Washington Libraries

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Subject: Re: "Christmas stories" and similar subject headings



H 1790 section 4 does put fairly strict limits on SH for individual works o=
f fiction. (Only used for biographical and historical fiction, basically.) =
The "Special provisions" at the end of H 1790 still refer to GSAFD headings=
, so IMO the section needs updating.



But per H 1790 section 4, you still only use very specific 650s. So "650 De=
er hunting - Fiction" is ok, but "Hunting-Fiction" is too general. 655s are=
 generally fine. If I understand H 1790.



Mike Monaco (he/him)

Coordinator, Cataloging Services

261B Bierce Library

The University of Akron

Akron, Ohio 44325-1712

Office: 330-972-2446

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ORCID: 0000-0001-7244-5154



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Subject: [PCCLIST] "Christmas stories" and similar subject headings



CAUTION: This email originated from outside of The University of Akron.

Hi,



There are certain LCSH headings like "Christmas stories" and "Hunting stori=
es" which have long worried me a bit.



These headings have the cross references "Christmas - Fiction" and "Hunting=
 - Fiction."  If you want to use a subject heading to say that a work is fi=
ction about Christmas, you're led through the cross reference to the 150 "C=
hristmas stories."  That's used instead of the topic + form combination "Ch=
ristmas - Fiction."



Yet "Christmas stories" looks very like a form/genre heading.  And there's =
already a perfectly good LCGFT heading, "Christmas fiction."  So do you aba=
ndon your 650, instead using only a 655, "Christmas fiction?"



My guess is no.  Why should we not have a 650 to say that what we're catalo=
ging is about Christmas?  We routinely give topical headings, subdivided  b=
y form, to works of fiction, and "Christmas stories" is the authority-manda=
ted substitute here for the topical heading "Christmas" subdivided by form =
"fiction."  I'm thinking that "Christmas stories" is perfectly acceptable a=
s a 650 for a novel about Christmas.  (Not just for a collection of Christm=
as stories.  The novel would get the heading "Christmas - Fiction" were tha=
t not unacceptable, so it gets "Christmas stories.")



Does this sound correct?



Pete Wilson

Vanderbilt University















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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Adam,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I see your logic, but honestly I think the conclusio=
n is unacceptable, if clear.&nbsp; Something really needs to be done about =
those unfortunate cross-references, I guess.&nbsp; Does anyone know what th=
e logic was for creating them in the first place?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Pete Wilson<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Vanderbilt University<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Program for Cooperative Cataloging &lt;=
[log in to unmask]&gt;
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Adam L Schiff<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 25, 2020 6:44 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> [log in to unmask]<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [PCCLIST] &quot;Christmas stories&quot; and similar sub=
ject headings<o:p></o:p></p>
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</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Pete,<o=
:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">I belie=
ve that the correct thing to do under currently LCSH policies is not to ass=
ign a subject and only to assign the genre/form term Sports fiction for a n=
ovel about baseball, or Christmas fiction
 for a novel about Christmas.&nbsp; Or you can try to find another suitable=
 subject, e.g. Baseball players--Fiction, Baseball fans--Fiction, Santa Cla=
us--Fiction, etc.&nbsp; I deduce this in part from LC's editorial summary o=
n our proposal to remove Dystopias--Drama
 from Dystopian plays.&nbsp; They basically said instead of a subject headi=
ng, assign a genre/form heading in 655.&nbsp; SHM H 1790 section 4 explicit=
ly says: &quot;</span><span style=3D"font-size:15.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tim=
es New Roman&quot;,serif;color:black">Assign no form headings
 to individual works of adult fiction, children's fiction, or young adult f=
iction.</span><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">&quot;&nbsp; Tha=
t precludes assigning Baseball stories or Christmas stories in 650 because =
those are form headings.&nbsp; They are not topical
 headings, so section 6 of the special provisions for increased subject acc=
ess does not apply.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Adam Sc=
hiff<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Univers=
ity of Washington Libraries<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"color:black">From:</span></b><span=
 style=3D"color:black"> Program for Cooperative Cataloging &lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>&gt; on behalf =
of Wilson, Pete &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">pete.wils=
[log in to unmask]</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 25, 2020 3:26 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]
.GOV</a> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]
OC.GOV</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: &quot;Christmas stories&quot; and similar subject headi=
ngs</span> <o:p>
</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"xmsonormal">Thanks to Adam and everyone else who commented on m=
y question about the use of &#8220;Christmas stories&#8221; and similar LCS=
H headings for which &#8220;[Topic]&#8212;Fiction&#8221; is a cross referen=
ce.&nbsp; The discussion has been very interesting, and I&#8217;m pleased t=
o
 see others are bothered by those cross references.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">Adam said in a post preceding the one below that LC=
 would use the heading &#8220;Baseball stories&#8221; in a 650 for a collec=
tion of short stories.&nbsp; I was glad to see him confirm that the heading=
 can in fact be used as a 650 for a book that IS baseball
 stories (plural), rather than about baseball stories.&nbsp; But I&#8217;m =
still wondering what the best answer is when I have a novel that is about b=
aseball, or Christmas.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">I agree that it is very unfortunate that &#8220;Bas=
eball&#8212;Fiction&#8221; and &#8220;Christmas&#8212;Fiction&#8221; are fo=
rbidden to us, so I agree that removing these terms from the cross-referenc=
e structure of the headings &#8220;Baseball stories&#8221; and &#8220;Chris=
tmas stories&#8221;
 would be great.&nbsp; But what do you do at this moment in cataloging hist=
ory with that novel about Christmas?&nbsp; I really don&#8217;t want to jus=
t use &#8220;Christmas&#8221; as a heading, as Stephen McDonald suggested.&=
nbsp;
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">To me, the cross reference&#8217;s very existence s=
ays you use &#8220;Christmas stories&#8221; for that novel.&nbsp; (That is,=
 if you follow the &#8220;Special Provisions for Increased Subject Access t=
o Fiction,&#8221; which I think most of us want to.)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">Pete Wilson<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">Vanderbilt University<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><b>From:</b> Program for Cooperative Cataloging &lt=
;<a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>&g=
t;
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Adam L Schiff<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 24, 2020 7:16 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]
.GOV</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [PCCLIST] &quot;Christmas stories&quot; and similar sub=
ject headings<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Yes, t=
his is exactly the sort of thing our media catalogers regularly complain ab=
out to me.&nbsp; Ghost plays is not an appropriate heading to include on a =
record for a film.&nbsp; In 2019 we made a SACO
 proposal to try to resolve one of these kinds of problems that was not app=
roved:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">&nbsp;=
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">June 2=
019 Summary of Decisions:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">&nbsp;=
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p><em><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:blac=
k">Dystopian plays</span></em><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style=3D"color:black">This proposal was made to remove the UFs <em=
><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">Dystopias&#8212=
;Drama</span></em> and
<em><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">Dystopias&#8=
212;Juvenile drama</span></em> from the established heading. The references=
 follow a well-established pattern in LCSH.&nbsp; The proposal included a c=
ataloger&#8217;s note opining that the UFs needed to be removed
 so that <em><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">Dys=
topias&#8212;Drama</span></em> could be assigned to a television program. T=
he genre/form term
<strong><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">Dystopia=
n television programs</span></strong> was created for this purpose and shou=
ld be assigned to the work being cataloged. The proposal was not approved.<=
/span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style=3D"color:black">It's the same situation that you note about =
ghost plays.&nbsp; The cataloger wanted to assign Dystopias--Drama to a DVD=
 for a television program.&nbsp; That flips to Dystopian plays, which is no=
t appropriate.&nbsp; Therefore, subject access for
 fictional moving image works that are about dystopias is lost.&nbsp; The s=
ubject serves a different purpose from the genre/form heading and is facete=
d and indexed differently in most discovery systems.&nbsp;
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style=3D"color:black">There's also a lot of inconsistency that cou=
ld be confusing to clients.&nbsp; For example, as someone noted, you can su=
bdivide some sports by $v Fiction, but not others.&nbsp; LCSH has Baseball =
stories, Basketball stories, Boxing stories,
 Cricket stories, Figure skating stories, Fishing stories, Football stories=
, Golf stories, Hockey stories, Hunting stories, Soccer stories, and Tennis=
 stories, so you cannot subdivide any of those sports by $v Fiction or $v J=
uvenile fiction. But you may use
 these form subdivisions with other sports like Gymnastics, Karate, Swimmin=
g,&nbsp;Track and field, and Volleyball.&nbsp; One way around the problem i=
s to assign class of persons headings subdivided by literary form (e.g., Ba=
seball players--Fiction).&nbsp; That will work
 for sports, but won't always be appropriate, as you could have a baseball =
story that isn't about baseball players or other baseball personnel. &nbsp;=
 But as we saw with the case of lawyers, it won't work for legal fiction.&n=
bsp; There's also a lot of inconsistency in
 UF references as to whether there is a variant from a class of persons.&nb=
sp; Legal fiction has UF Lawyers--Fiction, but Medical fiction does not hav=
e a UF Physicians--Fiction or UF Medical personnel--Fiction.&nbsp; Others h=
ave pointed out that a literary work that
 may have ghosts or a Christmas setting might not be considered a ghost or =
Christmas story, especially if that content is not the primary aspect of th=
e fiction.&nbsp; The cataloger might still want to bring out that aspect if=
 it accounts for 20% or more of the work
 (per the SHM).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Ultima=
tely, I think when LC implements LCGFT for literature they may be more incl=
ined to deal with these kinds of structural problems in LCSH, although I'm =
surprised it hasn't been raised by their
 catalogers of moving image materials (but maybe they don't do much subject=
 analysis of fiction films).&nbsp; I understand why headings like Baseball =
stories and Dystopian plays are needed, since there are bibliographies and =
works of criticism about them, but the
 UFs in the records are very problematic and hopefully some day will be rem=
oved.&nbsp; At such time I would hope that a scope note would be added to t=
he headings that says that they may only be used as topical headings with a=
ppropriate subdivisions like $v Bibliography
 or $x History and criticism.&nbsp; I do think that LC subject specialists =
would be in agreement that we need to get away from assigning form/genre he=
adings from LCSH in field 650 unless the heading is truly the subject of th=
e resource.&nbsp; Put subjects in 650 and
 genre/form in 655.&nbsp; If we do that, Baseball $v Fiction should be perf=
ectly ok in 655, with Baseball stories from LCSH and/or Sports fiction from=
 LCGFT in 655.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">&nbsp;=
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Adam S=
chiff</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Princi=
pal Cataloger</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Univer=
sity of Washington Libraries</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">&nbsp;=
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><b><span style=3D"color:black">From:</span></b><spa=
n style=3D"color:black"> Program for Cooperative Cataloging &lt;</span><a h=
ref=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><span s=
tyle=3D"color:black">&gt; on behalf of Eduardo Fojo
 &lt;</span><a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><span style=
=3D"color:black">&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 24, 2020 2:50 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> </span><a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">PCCLIST@LISTS=
ERV.LOC.GOV</a><span style=3D"color:black"> &lt;</span><a href=3D"mailto:PC=
[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><span style=3D"color:bl=
ack">&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: &quot;Christmas stories&quot; and similar subject headi=
ngs</span> <o:p>
</o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">I'd li=
ke to be able to apply &quot;Ghosts |v Drama&quot; when cataloging DVDs/Blu=
-rays of films like &quot;The Ghost and Mrs. Muir&quot; instead of having i=
t default to &quot;Ghost plays.&quot; The latter makes it hard to
 distinguish between movies and, well, plays as well as between plays about=
/featuring ghosts and works
<b>about</b> plays about/featuring ghosts. If this flummoxes catalogers, I =
can imagine how patrons and non-cataloger librarians and library staff tryi=
ng to help patrons find these materials must feel.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">&nbsp;=
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Eduard=
o Fojo</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Media =
Cataloger Librarian, FIU Library</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]"><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:12.0pt">[log in to unmask]</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<hr size=3D"2" width=3D"98%" align=3D"center">
</div>
<div id=3D"x_x_divRplyFwdMsg">
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><b><span style=3D"color:black">From:</span></b><spa=
n style=3D"color:black"> Program for Cooperative Cataloging &lt;</span><a h=
ref=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><span s=
tyle=3D"color:black">&gt; on behalf of Jessica Janecki
 &lt;</span><a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">jessica.janecki@DUK=
E.EDU</a><span style=3D"color:black">&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 24, 2020 5:34 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> </span><a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">PCCLIST@LISTS=
ERV.LOC.GOV</a><span style=3D"color:black"> &lt;</span><a href=3D"mailto:PC=
[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><span style=3D"color:bl=
ack">&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [PCCLIST] &quot;Christmas stories&quot; and similar sub=
ject headings</span>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:solid black 1.0pt;padding:4.0pt 4.0pt 4.0pt 4.0pt">
<p align=3D"center" style=3D"text-align:center"><b><span style=3D"color:red=
">Note: This message originated from outside the FIU Faculty/Staff email sy=
stem.</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"xxxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I would LOVE to be able to apply C=
hristmas Stories to a work *<b>about</b>* the specific genre of Christmas s=
tories and Christmas&#8212;fiction to a novel where
 Christmas features prominently. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xxxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xxxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Jessica</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xxxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"xxxmsonormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&q=
uot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0=
pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"> Program for Cooperative Cat=
aloging &lt;</span><a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]"><span style=
=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">PCCLIST@LI=
STSERV.LOC.GOV</span></a><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;=
Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">&gt;
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Adam L Schiff<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 24, 2020 5:29 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> </span><a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]"><span style=
=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">PCCLIST@LI=
STSERV.LOC.GOV</span></a><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;=
Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [PCCLIST] &quot;Christmas stories&quot; and similar sub=
ject headings</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"xxxmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"xxxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sa=
ns-serif;color:black">Actually, LC policy would be to add the form heading =
for a collection of stories in a 650 field in addition to the 655.</span><o=
:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"xxxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sa=
ns-serif;color:black">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"xxxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sa=
ns-serif;color:black">650 _0&nbsp; Baseball stories.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"xxxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sa=
ns-serif;color:black">655 _7&nbsp; Sports stories. $2 lcgft</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"xxxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sa=
ns-serif;color:black">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"xxxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sa=
ns-serif;color:black">The drama headings are even more problematic, because=
 we use $v Drama for both plays and moving image works.&nbsp; So if you try=
 to assign</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"xxxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sa=
ns-serif;color:black">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"xxxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sa=
ns-serif;color:black">650 _0&nbsp; Lawyers $v Drama</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"xxxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sa=
ns-serif;color:black">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"xxxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sa=
ns-serif;color:black">it gets turned into</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"xxxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sa=
ns-serif;color:black">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"xxxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sa=
ns-serif;color:black">650 _0&nbsp; Legal drama.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"xxxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sa=
ns-serif;color:black">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"xxxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sa=
ns-serif;color:black">But Legal drama is a term restricted to plays, so for=
 a film you can't have a 650 at all with the concept.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"xxxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sa=
ns-serif;color:black">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"xxxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sa=
ns-serif;color:black">I have suggested to LC in the past that they delete t=
he UF references so that a cataloger could assign Lawyers $v Fiction or Law=
yers $v Drama to an individual work and then add
 the appropriate LCGFT term in 655: Legal fiction (Literature), Legal drama=
 (Literature), or Legal films or Legal television programs, but they have n=
ot wanted to make such a change.&nbsp; And it would still leave the heading=
s Legal fiction and Legal drama in LCSH
 to be used for works ABOUT those genres.&nbsp; That might also be difficul=
t for catalogers to apply, however, and could result in people including bo=
th Legal fiction and Lawyers--Fiction to a record.&nbsp; Which might not be=
 too terrible really.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"xxxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sa=
ns-serif;color:black">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"xxxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sa=
ns-serif;color:black">Adam Schiff</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"xxxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sa=
ns-serif;color:black">Principal Cataloger</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"xxxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sa=
ns-serif;color:black">University of Washington Libraries</span><o:p></o:p><=
/p>
</div>
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 style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">
<hr size=3D"3" width=3D"98%" align=3D"center">
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<p class=3D"xxxmsonormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&q=
uot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">From:</span></b><span style=3D"fo=
nt-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"> Pro=
gram for Cooperative Cataloging &lt;</span><a href=3D"mailto:PCCLIST@LISTSE=
RV.LOC.GOV"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;=
,sans-serif">[log in to unmask]</span></a><span style=3D"font-size:11=
.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">&gt;
 on behalf of Monaco,Michael J &lt;</span><a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]
EDU"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-s=
erif">[log in to unmask]</span></a><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-fam=
ily:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 24, 2020 12:53 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> </span><a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]"><span style=
=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">PCCLIST@LI=
STSERV.LOC.GOV</span></a><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;=
Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"> &lt;</span><a href=3D"mailto:PCCLIST=
@LISTSERV.LOC.GOV"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibr=
i&quot;,sans-serif">[log in to unmask]</span></a><span style=3D"font-=
size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">&gt;<br=
>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: &quot;Christmas stories&quot; and similar subject headi=
ngs</span> <o:p>
</o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"xxxmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"xxxxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D">H=
 1790 section 4 does put fairly strict limits on SH for individual works of=
 fiction. (Only used for biographical and historical fiction, basically.) T=
he &#8220;Special provisions&#8221; at the end of
 H 1790 still refer to GSAFD headings, so IMO the section needs updating. <=
/span>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xxxxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D">&=
nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xxxxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D">B=
ut per H 1790 section 4, you still only use very specific 650s. So &#8220;6=
50 Deer hunting &#8211; Fiction&#8221; is ok, but &#8220;Hunting&#8212;Fict=
ion&#8221; is too general. 655s are generally fine. If I understand H 1790.=
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xxxxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D">&=
nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"xxxxmsonormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Mike Monaco (he/hi=
m)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xxxxmsonormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Coordinator, Catal=
oging Services</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xxxxmsonormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">261B Bierce Librar=
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<p class=3D"xxxxmsonormal"><a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">mmonaco@ua=
kron.edu</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xxxxmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D;ba=
ckground:white">ORCID: 0000-0001-7244-5154
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>&gt;
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Wilson, Pete<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 24, 2020 2:50 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]
.GOV</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [PCCLIST] &quot;Christmas stories&quot; and similar subject=
 headings<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"xxxxmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xxxxmsonormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"fo=
nt-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;color:black;ba=
ckground:yellow">CAUTION: This email originated from outside of The Univers=
ity of Akron.</span><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times=
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<p class=3D"xxxxmsonormal">Hi,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xxxxmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xxxxmsonormal">There are certain LCSH headings like &#8220;Chri=
stmas stories&#8221; and &#8220;Hunting stories&#8221; which have long worr=
ied me a bit.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xxxxmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xxxxmsonormal">These headings have the cross references &#8220;=
Christmas &#8211; Fiction&#8221; and &#8220;Hunting &#8211; Fiction.&#8221;=
&nbsp; If you want to use a subject heading to say that a work is fiction a=
bout Christmas, you&#8217;re led through the cross reference to the 150 &#8=
220;Christmas
 stories.&#8221; &nbsp;That&#8217;s used instead of the topic &#43; form co=
mbination &#8220;Christmas &#8211; Fiction.&#8221;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xxxxmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xxxxmsonormal">Yet &#8220;Christmas stories&#8221; looks very l=
ike a form/genre heading. &nbsp;And there&#8217;s already a perfectly good =
LCGFT heading, &#8220;Christmas fiction.&#8221;&nbsp; So do you abandon you=
r 650, instead using only a 655, &#8220;Christmas fiction?&#8221;<o:p></o:p=
></p>
<p class=3D"xxxxmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xxxxmsonormal">My guess is no.&nbsp; Why should we not have a 6=
50 to say that what we&#8217;re cataloging is about Christmas?&nbsp; We rou=
tinely give topical headings, subdivided&nbsp; by form, to works of fiction=
, and &#8220;Christmas stories&#8221; is the authority-mandated substitute
 here for the topical heading &#8220;Christmas&#8221; subdivided by form &#=
8220;fiction.&#8221;&nbsp; I&#8217;m thinking that &#8220;Christmas stories=
&#8221; is perfectly acceptable as a 650 for a novel about Christmas.&nbsp;=
 (Not just for a collection of Christmas stories.&nbsp; The novel would get=
 the heading &#8220;Christmas
 &#8211; Fiction&#8221; were that not unacceptable, so it gets &#8220;Chris=
tmas stories.&#8221;)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xxxxmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xxxxmsonormal">Does this sound correct?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xxxxmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xxxxmsonormal">Pete Wilson<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xxxxmsonormal">Vanderbilt University<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xxxxmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xxxxmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xxxxmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xxxxmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xxxxmsonormal">&nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xxxxmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xxxxmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
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Metadata Quality staff at OCLC completed correction of the affected records=
 last week and we think they have all made the round trip to LC and back to=
 OCLC now.  We believe all is well with the affected records.  Metadata Qua=
lity staff copied over the data from the records that had duplicate LCCNs i=
nto new records and submitted those while deleting the new records with the=
 duplicated LCCNs.  If you have questions about any specific records, pleas=
e let us know.  Best address for questions for this case is [log in to unmask]<=
mailto:[log in to unmask]>.

Thank you for your patience!
Cynthia

From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging <[log in to unmask]> On Beha=
lf Of Whitacre,Cynthia
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2020 1:10 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: [PCCLIST] UPDATE- resume creation --- RE: [PCCLIST] Request to tem=
porarily refrain from creating NACO records through OCLC

I am happy to report that the problem has been corrected.  LCCNs will now b=
e assigned correctly for NACO records using OCLC Connexion and Record Manag=
er.  Please feel free to resume creation of new NACO records.

We will be working over the next week to correct the records created yester=
day that were affected by this issue.

Sincerely,
Cynthia

From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging <[log in to unmask]<mailto:P=
[log in to unmask]>> On Behalf Of Whitacre,Cynthia
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 8:57 PM
To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
Subject: [PCCLIST] Request to temporarily refrain from creating NACO record=
s through OCLC

Good evening:

Some NACO records created through the OCLC node are being assigned a previo=
usly assigned LCCN. While we work to correct this, we ask that members temp=
orarily refrain from creating new NACO records either in Connexion or Recor=
d Manager. Our development team is working to correct the duplicate assignm=
ent. Once this is complete, we will update the affected records.

Note, this does not affect editing and updating existing NACO records, and =
you may still begin the creation of a new record, saving it in your local o=
r online save file. We will continue to keep you updated on the situation a=
nd thank you for your patience.

Cynthia M. Whitacre
Senior Metadata Operations Manager
OCLC, Inc.
6565 Kilgour Place
Dublin, Ohio  43017
800-848-5878, ext. 6183
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Metadata Quality staff at OCLC completed correction =
of the affected records last week and we think they have all made the round=
 trip to LC and back to OCLC now.&nbsp; We believe all is well with the aff=
ected records.&nbsp; Metadata Quality staff
 copied over the data from the records that had duplicate LCCNs into new re=
cords and submitted those while deleting the new records with the duplicate=
d LCCNs.&nbsp; If you have questions about any specific records, please let=
 us know.&nbsp; Best address for questions
 for this case is <a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>.&nbs=
p; <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thank you for your patience!<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Cynthia<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Program for Cooperative Cataloging &lt;=
[log in to unmask]&gt;
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Whitacre,Cynthia<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 25, 2020 1:10 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> [log in to unmask]<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [PCCLIST] UPDATE- resume creation --- RE: [PCCLIST] Request=
 to temporarily refrain from creating NACO records through OCLC<o:p></o:p><=
/p>
</div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I am happy to report that the problem has been corre=
cted.&nbsp; LCCNs will now be assigned correctly for NACO records using OCL=
C Connexion and Record Manager.&nbsp; Please feel free to resume creation o=
f new NACO records.&nbsp;
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">We will be working over the next week to correct the=
 records created yesterday that were affected by this issue.&nbsp;
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sincerely,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Cynthia<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Program for Cooperative Cataloging &lt;=
<a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>&gt=
;
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Whitacre,Cynthia<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 24, 2020 8:57 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]
.GOV</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [PCCLIST] Request to temporarily refrain from creating NACO=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">Good evening:<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">Some NACO records create=
d through the OCLC node are being assigned a previously assigned LCCN. Whil=
e we work to correct this, we ask that members temporarily refrain from cre=
ating new NACO records either in Connexion
 or Record Manager. Our development team is working to correct the duplicat=
e assignment. Once this is complete, we will update the affected records.&n=
bsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">Note, this does not affe=
ct editing and updating existing NACO records, and you may still begin the =
creation of a new record, saving it in your local or online save file. We w=
ill continue to keep you updated on
 the situation and thank you for your patience.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Cynthia M. Whitacre<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Senior Metadata Operations Manager<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">OCLC, Inc.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">6565 Kilgour Place<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Dublin, Ohio&nbsp; 43017<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">800-848-5878, ext. 6183<o:p></o:p></p>
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Are there any special procedures for creating a name from an archival sourc=
e? It's not practical for me to examine the items. What can I cite as the 6=
70? Example: OCLC #187949614 for "Alumbaugh, Orvel". Will
670 Finding aid: $b (Orvel Alumbaugh)
be sufficient?

Jay Shorten
Cataloger, Monographs and Electronic Resources
Associate Professor of Bibliography
Description & Access Department
University Libraries
University of Oklahoma
Co-ordinator, Oklahoma (Tornado) NACO Funnel
Co-owner, PERSNAME-L, the list about personal names in bibliographic and au=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Pa=
latino Linotype&quot;,serif">Are there any special procedures for creating =
a name from an archival source? It&#8217;s not practical for me to examine =
the items. What can I cite as the 670? Example: OCLC
 #187949614 for &#8220;Alumbaugh, Orvel&#8221;. Will<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Pa=
latino Linotype&quot;,serif"><b>670 Finding aid: $b (Orvel Alumbaugh)</b><o=
:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Pa=
latino Linotype&quot;,serif">be sufficient?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Pa=
latino Linotype&quot;,serif"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ch=
aparral Pro&quot;,serif">Jay Shorten<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ch=
aparral Pro&quot;,serif">Cataloger, Monographs and Electronic Resources<o:p=
></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ch=
aparral Pro&quot;,serif">Associate Professor of Bibliography<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ch=
aparral Pro&quot;,serif">Description &amp; Access Department<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ch=
aparral Pro&quot;,serif">University Libraries<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ch=
aparral Pro&quot;,serif">University of Oklahoma<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ch=
aparral Pro&quot;,serif">Co-ordinator, Oklahoma (Tornado) NACO Funnel<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ch=
aparral Pro&quot;,serif">Co-owner, PERSNAME-L, the list about personal name=
s in bibliographic and authority records<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ch=
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I'd suggest something like this:

670 Guide to manuscripts in the Western History Collections of University
of Oklahoma, 2015, viewed online June 20, 2020: $b page 6 (An 18-page
manuscript diary (1918) by PFC Orvel Alumbaugh of Battery A - 344th Field
Artillery; Alumbaugh was from Whiteoak, Oklahoma) $u
https://lib.ou.edu/documents/OUWHCGuidetoManuscripts2017.pdf

Note also that while "Whiteoak (Okla.)" isn't established, GNIS indicates
there are two "White Oak" populated places in Oklahoma, one in Craig County
and one in Cherokee County. Also, FindAGrave has an entry for Orvel
Alumbaugh, 1893-1985, born in Sullivan County Indiana, and died in Vinita,
Craig County, Oklahoma (
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/64135956/orvel-alumbaugh), who looks
likely to be the same person.

Stephen

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 4:12 PM Shorten, Jay <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Are there any special procedures for creating a name from an archival
> source? It=E2=80=99s not practical for me to examine the items. What can =
I cite as
> the 670? Example: OCLC #187949614 for =E2=80=9CAlumbaugh, Orvel=E2=80=9D.=
 Will
>
> *670 Finding aid: $b (Orvel Alumbaugh)*
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> be sufficient?
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> Jay Shorten
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> Associate Professor of Bibliography
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> Description & Access Department
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> University Libraries
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> University of Oklahoma
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> Co-ordinator, Oklahoma (Tornado) NACO Funnel
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> Co-owner, PERSNAME-L, the list about personal names in bibliographic and
> authority records
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Stephen Hearn, Metadata Strategist
Data Management & Access, University Libraries
University of Minnesota
170A Wilson Library (office)
160 Wilson Library (mail)
309 19th Avenue South
Minneapolis, MN 55455
Ph: 612-625-2328
Fx: 612-625-3428
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I&#39;d suggest something like this:<div><br></div><div>67=
0 Guide to manuscripts in the Western History Collections of University of =
Oklahoma, 2015, viewed online June 20, 2020: $b page 6 (An 18-page manuscri=
pt diary (1918) by PFC Orvel Alumbaugh of Battery A - 344th Field Artillery=
; Alumbaugh was from Whiteoak, Oklahoma) $u=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://lib.ou.=
edu/documents/OUWHCGuidetoManuscripts2017.pdf">https://lib.ou.edu/documents=
/OUWHCGuidetoManuscripts2017.pdf</a></div><div><br></div><div>Note also tha=
t while &quot;Whiteoak (Okla.)&quot; isn&#39;t established, GNIS indicates =
there are two &quot;White Oak&quot; populated places in Oklahoma, one in Cr=
aig County and one in Cherokee County. Also, FindAGrave has an entry for Or=
vel Alumbaugh, 1893-1985, born in Sullivan County Indiana, and died in Vini=
ta, Craig County, Oklahoma (<a href=3D"https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/=
64135956/orvel-alumbaugh">https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/64135956/orve=
l-alumbaugh</a>), who looks likely to be the same person.</div><div><br></d=
iv><div>Stephen</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 4:12 PM Shorten, Jay &lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><bloc=
kquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:=
1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">





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<div class=3D"gmail-m_563675457970750628WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Pala=
tino Linotype&quot;,serif">Are there any special procedures for creating a =
name from an archival source? It=E2=80=99s not practical for me to examine =
the items. What can I cite as the 670? Example: OCLC
 #187949614 for =E2=80=9CAlumbaugh, Orvel=E2=80=9D. Will<u></u><u></u></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Pala=
tino Linotype&quot;,serif"><b>670 Finding aid: $b (Orvel Alumbaugh)</b><u><=
/u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Pala=
tino Linotype&quot;,serif">be sufficient?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Pala=
tino Linotype&quot;,serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Chap=
arral Pro&quot;,serif">Jay Shorten<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Chap=
arral Pro&quot;,serif">Cataloger, Monographs and Electronic Resources<u></u=
><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Chap=
arral Pro&quot;,serif">Associate Professor of Bibliography<u></u><u></u></s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Chap=
arral Pro&quot;,serif">Description &amp; Access Department<u></u><u></u></s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Chap=
arral Pro&quot;,serif">University Libraries<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Chap=
arral Pro&quot;,serif">University of Oklahoma<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Chap=
arral Pro&quot;,serif">Co-ordinator, Oklahoma (Tornado) NACO Funnel<u></u><=
u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Chap=
arral Pro&quot;,serif">Co-owner, PERSNAME-L, the list about personal names =
in bibliographic and authority records<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Chap=
arral Pro&quot;,serif"><a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" target=3D"_blank"=
><span style=3D"color:blue">[log in to unmask]</span></a><u></u><u></u></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Treb=
uchet MS&quot;,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Treb=
uchet MS&quot;,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Treb=
uchet MS&quot;,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
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 class=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Step=
hen Hearn, Metadata Strategist</div>
<div>Data Management &amp; Access, University Libraries</div>
<div>University of Minnesota</div><div>170A Wilson Library (office)</div>
<div>160 Wilson Library (mail)</div>
<div>309 19th Avenue South</div>
<div>Minneapolis, MN 55455</div>
<div>Ph: 612-625-2328</div>
<div>Fx:=C2=A0612-625-3428</div><div>ORCID: =C2=A00000-0002-3590-1242</div>=
</div></div></div></div>

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