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I agree with Adam. We shouldn’t just be using whatever appears on the item. An entity has one and only one access point at any given time. That is a basic principle of authority work. This isn’t parallel to pseudonyms, which don’t apply to corporate bodies.

Bob

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Very interesting.  If this is a situation of A to B to A, then I would assume that any current resource published, say, in 2020, that comes out with the name B on it should be recorded in an access point as A.  After all, at any given time a single entity may only have one preferred name and one authorized access point in RDA.  So that conflicts with the idea of using whatever name appears on a resource as the access point.  Say I have a conference proceedings in Spanish for a conference held in 2020 and on the title page it says it was organized by "Universidad de Barcelona".  In the access point that I might make for the organizer, I should use Universitat de Barcelona, because that is preferred name for the university in 2020.

If possible, a 667 that gives guidance on even approximate years that the access point applies vs the other access point would be very helpful.

Adam


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And one more piece I had forgotten: somehow this came up in conversation while I was talking to someone at LC (probably Paul Frank), who vaguely remembered that somebody in PSD had investigated this same issue and had come to the same conclusion, that it was a Name A to Name B to Name A situation with fuzzy edges. If you look at the record for Universitat de Barcelona (n 99012058) in authorities.loc.gov you will see this note:



952

__ |a Catalan and Spanish names treated as a name change, per Desc Pol, 7/6/2018



But of course that doesn’t show up in the NARs in OCLC. So it’s definitely time to document this in a 667 so there will be a paper trail next time this comes up. 😊



Rich





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This is actually one that we investigated at Duke a while ago because we were confused and thought it was an earlier-later, but we couldn’t find any dates or clear pattern of usage. We contacted the folks at UdeB via email, and then one of the Duke catalogers happened to be in Barcelona for an extended period later that summer, and she actually went to the library there and spoke to the university archives staff about it.



It seems this was a case of name A changing to name B and then changing back to name A. The folks at UdeB said it was originally Universitat, then the Franco government made them change it to Universidad, and then post-Franco they gradually started using Universitat again. The folks there couldn’t seem to come up with exact dates of when any of these changes happened because they all seem to have been gradual changes with transitional periods during which both forms were used with no clear pattern. We had intended to document all that  in a 667, with instructions to use whichever form appears on the piece being cataloged, but I guess it fell through the cracks because a couple of us were working on it.



Rich







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Duke University Libraries

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Lisa,



If that's the case, then it would be good if someone could indicate when the name change occurred and link these names by earlier/later references.  And perhaps new 410s are needed from the other language form with date qualifiers.  The reason it came up was that someone here put Universidad de Barcelona as the affiliation of a person in the person's NAR, but the person's webpage at the university only says Universitat de Barcelona.  Our cataloger was clearly confused about which name to use.  Perhaps even a 667 note that says what time period each name should be used for.



Thanks!



Adam

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Hi there,  I’d have to look it up for you, but at some point because of nationalism, the name of the University officially changed from the Spanish form to the Catalan form.

;-)

Lisa



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PCC Colleagues,



Can anyone figure out what is going on with these two NARs, both coded as RDA, and the names of which are also used for many subordinate bodies:



110 2 Universidad de Barcelona

410 2 Universitat de Catalunya

410 2 Universidad de Cataluña

410 2 University of Barcelona

510 2 Universitat de Barcelona



110 2 Universitat de Barcelona

410 2 University of Barcelona

410 2 U.B.

410 2 UB

410 2 Universität Barcelona

510 2 Universidad de Barcelona



The 510s are simple see also references, and I don't see anything in either record to indicate that this represents an earlier/later situation.  I'm confused why then both of these NARs exist.  NARs for subordinate bodies also don't make a lot of sense, some under the Spanish name and some under the Catalan name:



Universidad de Barcelona. ǂb Departamento de Ecología

Universidad de Barcelona. ǂb Departamento de Geografía

Universidad de Barcelona. ǂb Departamento de Política Económica



Universitat de Barcelona. ǂb Departament d'Antropologia Cultural i Història d'Amèrica i Àfrica

Universitat de Barcelona. ǂb Departament de Biologia Animal

Universitat de Barcelona. ǂb Departament de Filologia Catalana

Universitat de Barcelona. ǂb Departament de Geografia Física i Anàlisi Geogràfica Regional



And some, incorrectly I believe, mix Spanish and Catalan:



110 2 Universidad de Barcelona. ǂb Departament de Física Teòrica

410 2 Universidad de Barcelona. ǂb Facultat de Ciències Físiques. ǂb Departament de Física Teòrica

670    Cornella, A. Notes sobre relativitat especial, 1982: ǂb cover (Departament de Física Te/bborica, Facultat de Ciències Físiques, Universitat de Barcelona)



110 2 Universidad de Barcelona. ǂb Departament de Filologia Grega
670    Col·lecció El Dofí d'Arió ; 3 (ser. x-ref.) Garriga, C. La restauració clàssica d'Eugeni d'Ors, 1981: ǂb t.p. (Departament de Filologia Grega, Universitat de Barcelona)



Looking at some of the 670s on subordinate body records, it's pretty clear that in the same time period some publications used the Spanish name and some used the Catalan name.  Should there really be two authority records for the university?  Or am I missing something?



Thanks,



Adam Schiff

University of Washington Libraries