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To me this all points to the arbitrary categories and nomenclature of the record companies. Millions of jazz records were issued marked "Foxtrot." On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 4:51 PM Rodger J. Holtin <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Bessie Smith blue label Columbias also use that description. Also > available on YouTube > > Rodger Holtin > > For Best Results Use Victor Needles > > Sent from my sluggish old iPhone, which explainz any bad typjng, bad > spellimg, nonsensical word choices, delays and all other lapses. > > > On Jan 28, 2021, at 6:30 PM, Rob Bamberger <[log in to unmask]> > wrote: > > > > Steve -- The question was prompted by the label of Victor 19639, the > > Boswell Sisters' first recording made in New Orleans. A listener saw a > > picture of the label on YouTube and was puzzled at the sisters being > > described as "Comedians." I wanted to provide a better-informed answer > than > > I could provide singly. > > > > David, thanks for the citation to the book -- and my appreciation to all > > for your input. > > > > Rob > > > >> On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 2:30 PM Steven Smolian <[log in to unmask]> > wrote: > >> > >> As I recall, Miss Patricola was similarly identified. Rob, who else > >> prompted this question? > >> > >> Steve > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List [mailto: > >> [log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Rob Bamberger > >> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 1:49 PM > >> To: [log in to unmask] > >> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] What was meant by the use of the words... > >> > >> I must not have been clear in my initial posting. I do understand the > >> gender distinction. The question is why those terms were used to > describe > >> performers who were not comics, per se. > >> > >>> On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 1:40 PM Roy Baugher <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >>> > >>> I think “comedian” is/was used as a male variant of the word, and > >>> “comedienne” is/was used as the female variant of the word. > >>> > >>> Similar to “actor” and “actress”. > >>> > >>> Etymologists would know better about this subject than me. > >>> > >>> Roy Baugher > >>> > >>> On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 1:13 PM Rob Bamberger <[log in to unmask]> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> "Comedian" and "Comedienne" as artist designations on record labels > >> into > >>>> the 1920s? It's a use of these words in a broader context than the > >>>> conventional sense. Was it meant simply to identify someone as a > >>> "popular" > >>>> rather than classical or "serious" artist? Is it meant to be > associated > >>>> with performers who might be seen in vaudeville or theater who had > acts > >>>> that combined some comic patter or exchange, followed by song (or > >> dance). > >>>> > >>>> Is there a precise intention that has been written about, or > discovered > >>> in > >>>> primary materials? > >>>> > >>>> Thanks for your comments. > >>>> > >>>> Rob > >>>> > >>> -- > >>> Sent from Gmail Mobile > >>> > >> > -- cell and text# 510-717-5240 www.JAZZHOTBigstep.com