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I really appreciate your thoughts, Alex. Listening to the tracks presented by the survey has been glorious....but there are some that I could use some schooling in to ultimately choose the ten I feel best about. If there are major recordings left off...I would love to hear all of them! I wish we could have an evening of all raising glasses while listening and talking it all through. David Katznelson On Sun, Nov 21, 2021 at 11:42 AM Mickey Clark <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Hi Gary - my music room is too small for my piano so I use a pitch pipe to > get the key - maybe the pipe isn't totally in tune-Mickey > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gary A. Galo > Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2021 7:40 AM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] [EXTERNAL] Re: [ARSCLIST] ARSC List of Notable > pre-1923 recordings, just posted > > Hi Mickey, > > Thanks for the link. Your transfer is a bit sharp. The Rienzi Overture is > in > D major - yours is about half way between D and E-flat. It's always > struck > me as a fine performance, and rehearing it this morning reaffirmed that > view. Prince was a fine musician, unheralded except among specialist > collectors. He gets the tempo change right, at the Allegro energico at > rehearsal number 2 (Dover p. 12). Many far more famous conductors take the > Allegro energico too slowly. There's a similar transition at the Un poco > piu > vivace at number 7 (Dover, p 34), but the cut taken to fit the piece on > two > sides eliminates it. Bravo Charles Prince, and thank you, Mickey, for > making > this available. > > Your label is the same as my copy - the conductor is not acknowledged. > > Best, > Gary > > Gary Galo > Audio Engineer Emeritus > The Crane School of Music > SUNY at Potsdam, NY 13676 > > "Great art presupposes the alert mind of the educated listener." > Arnold Schoenberg > > "A true artist doesn't want to be admired, he wants to be believed." > Igor Markevitch > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List > <[log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of Mickey Clark > Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2021 11:14 PM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [ARSCLIST] ARSC List of Notable pre-1923 > recordings, > just posted > > This message did not originate from SUNY Potsdam or one of its trusted > senders. Do not open attachments, click on links, or provide your > credentials if the source is suspicious. > > > Gary - here is a link to the video on Youtube my dub of the Rienzi > Overture > by Prince-Mickey > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkVOo9mzMx8 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alex McGehee > Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2021 4:15 PM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] ARSC List of Notable pre-1923 recordings, just > posted > > Nice comments Gary. Maybe others have mentioned that the Brahms Hungarian > Dance No. 5 wasn’t even by Brahms. It was the work of the Hungarian > composer > Béla Kéler. I think Brahms thought he had a traditional folksong on his > hands. The Brahms version was written for piano four hands, and god knows > how much of his own orchestral thinking Stokowski put into the Victor > version. > > My main objection to its inclusion is that this work was endlessly > programmed for concerts from its publication to the date of this Victor > recording. An old chestnut if ever there was one. It represents lazy > thinking in the classical music repertoire to choose it, if I might say so. > > Far worthier would be the near complete version of Haydn’s Symphony No. > 94, > recorded in Victor’s Camden, New Jersey studio on the 11th and 12th of Nov. > 1912. Yeah, I know it’s a chestnut now too, but a century ago Haydn was > finally emerging from more than a century’s worth of neglect. He’s > certainly > a greater composer than Brahms and before someone gets angry,, consider > that > appraisal was by Brahms himself. > > An even more noteworthy recording would be Victor’s release of Haydn’s > Symphony No. 100, Walter B. Rogers (Victor’s house conductor) and the > Victor > Concert Orchestra. UCSB gives the dates as June 5, 1913 and Oct. 28, 1915. > Both symphonies suffer abridgments and are the arrangements of Theodore > Moses Tobani, done primarily for purposes related to the technical > limitations of the acoustical recording process with full orchestral > forces. > So with Symphony 100, the slow introduction is jettisoned, but the rest of > the first movement is complete. Twenty bars from the second movement are > cut, but they are somewhat a repetition of the movement's first 20 bars, > so > the movement seems as if it is complete to most listeners. The third and > fourth movements are both complete. > > Back to the Brahms. I know it sounds really great, but so do these Haydn > recordings and they were done years earlier than the Brahms. They are also > of far greater significance in the early recordings of concert repertoire. > I > haven’t found sound files for No. 94, except for its second movement, > which > UCSB has. Neither UCSB or the National Jukebox has anything from No. 100, > but the British Library has all of it and it sounds wonderful. > > And if I may land one more punch for Haydn, Pol Plançon sounds a lot > better > in Air du laboureur ( trans. French) from Haydn’s Jahreszeiten: Schon > eilet > froh der Ackermann than he does on the ARSC acoustic list with Couplets du > tambour-major. That’s just my opinion, but you can hear it for yourself on > UCSB’s website > < > https://adp.library.ucsb.edu/index.php/matrix/detail/200003696/C-2321-Air_du_laboureur > > > > Pre-holiday cheers to all, > Alex > > Alex McGehee > ARSC Membership Committee, chair > > > > > On Nov 9, 2021, at 1:31 PM, Gary A. Galo > > <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > > I have a couple of comments about this compilation, and I'm sure other > > members will have some of their own. > > > > Stokowski's Brahms Hungarian Dance No. 5 was not the first recording > > of a full symphony orchestra, not even on Victor, and not even in the > > United States. Karl Muck and the Boston Symphony Orchestra made their > > first records for Victor 3 weeks before Stokowski, because Stokowski > > initially rejected Victor's offer to make records. The first was the > > 4th movement of Tchaikovsky's 4th Symphony, and utilized the entire > > Boston Symphony Orchestra. The dates can be confirmed on DAHR. And, > > Charles Prince conducted an orchestra of 90 players for Columbia > > performing Wagner's Rienzi Overture in February of 1917. Again, DAHR > > can confirm the date and the number of musicians involved (the number > > is also given on the record label). > > > > Also, though some might view it as a technicality, Vesti la Giubba is > > not a song, it's an opera aria. > > > > Best, > > Gar > > > > > > Gary Galo > > Audio Engineer Emeritus > > The Crane School of Music > > SUNY at Potsdam, NY 13676 > > > > "Great art presupposes the alert mind of the educated listener." > > Arnold Schoenberg > > > > "A true artist doesn't want to be admired, he wants to be believed." > > Igor Markevitch >