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My link just sent actually says store tape vertical. It doesn't specify wire...but someone might want to ask them? Paul Jackson On 11/12/2022 11:08 AM, CBAUDIO wrote: > Hi Paul, > > I can't find a reference as to how wire recordings should be stored > either. Perhaps someone with the knowledge will post. I also haven't > (knowingly) experienced the cross-talk that has been mentioned in any > of the wire recordings that I have transferred, although I have > wondered about it. Should recorded wire be stored tails out like > reel-to-reel audio tape? All of the wire recordings, that I have > encountered, have been stored heads out. I have only come across a > plain steel wire recording once, and it was on a 1/4" shafted hub. > > One thing I can say is that if your institution has a working player, > it would be good to address those wires that have become unraveled. > One of those 'Round Tuit' projects. :) > > Best, > CB > Corey Bailey > www.baileyzone.net > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Paul Sutherland" <[log in to unmask]> > To: "[log in to unmask]" <[log in to unmask]>; "CBAUDIO" > <[log in to unmask]> > Sent: 11/12/2022 7:32:45 AM > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Wire recording archival housing vendor > >> I'll be honest, I'm struggling to find the reference now. I thought I >> read it here >> <https://cool.culturalheritage.org/byform/mailing-lists/arsclist/2009/05/msg00001.html> >> (ARSCLIST post from 2009), but I can't see any discussion of >> orientation there except the initial question. You can probably >> safely ignore my assertion here. >> >> (That thread is also where I saw mention of removing the original >> cardboard container.) >> >> That said, I imagine there might be some difference if the wire is >> partially unravelled, which quite a lot of ours are. We have one >> extreme case of a wire that is very unravelled (fortunately after >> digitization, I'm not sure at what point it became so unravelled), >> and I can imagine it being detrimental to any future salvage to put >> the weight of the vertical spool on the unravelled wire. Also, as the >> proposed microfilm packaging is larger than the wire recording and >> the wire has no original packaging (again, a few cases for us), >> transporting them vertically would lead to rolling, which in the case >> of partially unravelled wire would mean rolling over loose wire. This >> seems unnecessary to me, so if it made no difference otherwise, I >> would be happy to store them flat. >> >> --- >> Paul Sutherland >> Archivist at www.amphilsoc.org/library/CNAIR >> Musician at www.hearlambeth.com >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List >> <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of CBAUDIO >> <[log in to unmask]> >> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2022 02:20 >> To:[log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> >> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Wire recording archival housing vendor >> >> Hi Paul, >> >> I'm curious; Where did you come across the knowledge that wire >> recordings should be stored flat? I wasn't aware that it could make a >> difference. I was aware that motion picture film is to be stored flat >> but wire recordings? >> >> Best, >> CB >> Corey Bailey >> www.baileyzone.net >> >> ------ Original Message ------ >> From: "Paul Sutherland" <[log in to unmask]> >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Sent: 11/11/2022 6:46:32 AM >> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Wire recording archival housing vendor >> >> >Thank you so much everybody! >> > >> >Based on the info so far, I think I may need to go with microfilm >> boxes. Unless someone is able to identify explicitly designed wire >> housing. >> > >> >Corey - I've read that removing the original cardboard boxes is best >> for long-term storage, but yes, there is much metadata on those that >> it would be useful to keep. If others think that it's actually okay >> to keep them in their original cardboard boxes, I would go with this. >> We also unfortunately don't yet have cold storage available for these >> but hopefully soon. Thanks also for the post about playing them. >> > >> >It's also my understanding that they should be stored flat >> (horizontally). I could stack microfilm reels like that in larger >> archival boxes. >> > >> >The Webster-Chicago boxes fit into a 16mm microfilm box. Silvertone >> ones (blue, round boxes) don't, so I would use 35mm microfilm boxes. >> > >> >I'd rather have individual housing than having to construct >> dividers, but that's definitely an option. A 7" or 10.5" reel-to-reel >> box would be quite economical though, divided up that's 4 or 9 spaces >> for 3.5"x3.5". >> > >> >Thanks for the reminder to tape the wire down too! >> > >> >Appreciate all the info so far. >> > >> >--- >> >Paul Sutherland >> >Archivist at >> www.amphilsoc.org/library/CNAIR<http://www.amphilsoc.org/library/CNAIR> >> <http://www.amphilsoc.org/library/CNAIR<http://www.amphilsoc.org/library/CNAIR>> >> >> >Musician at www.hearlambeth.com<http://www.hearlambeth.com> >> >________________________________ >> >From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List >> <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of Paul Jackson >> <[log in to unmask]> >> >Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2022 18:10 >> >To: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> >> >Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Wire recording archival housing vendor >> > >> >One place to check for such storage boxes would be Uline: >> >https://catalog.uline.com/Fall-Winter-US-2022/82/# >> > >> >Another may be, University Products. They are very good for Museum >> >storage materials. https://www.universityproducts.com/ >> > >> >On 11/10/2022 9:43 AM, Lance Watsky wrote: >> >> Hi Paul, >> >> >> >> Back when I worked at the State of Georgia Archives, we would get >> boxes and create dividers for delicate objects. >> >> >> >> You may want to contact Conversation Supply companies, like Gaylord. >> >> >> >> Best, >> >> Lance >> >> >> >> >> >> Lance Watsky >> >> >> >> Manager of Media Archives & Licensing >> >> Sherman Grinberg Film Library >> >> 21011 Itasca Street >> >> Chatsworth, CA 91311 >> >> C: (909) 223-7941<tel:%28909%29%20223-7941> >> >> E:[log in to unmask] >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion >> List<[log in to unmask]> on behalf of Paul >> Sutherland<[log in to unmask]> >> >> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2022 7:52 AM >> >> To:[log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> >> >> Subject: [ARSCLIST] Wire recording archival housing vendor >> >> >> >> Hi all, >> >> >> >> We have a number of wire recordings on original spools in >> original cardboard boxes, that we are looking to rehouse. They are >> standard commercial size (2.75" diameter, 0.6-ish" wide). Some are >> starting to unravel, though fortunately they were almost all already >> digitized. My main concern is giving them individual housing so the >> wires do not tangle with others. >> >> >> >> ARSC's guide >> (p64)<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.clir.org_wp-2Dcontent_uploads_sites_6_2015_05_ARSC-2Dw-2Dcover.pdf&d=DwIFAw&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=Kp4tmL90KaBMzYo2uBG6UY1FLVcV8J78ZNTo3170Ups&m=n2FQz1znjkBuCJuvfRFTUwlovOe4m0_Z1ytfGUrtjIQ&s=Tiixwv4G0iITLG38Pk71QHrl9YayXLWsnWjivbFtooI&e=> >> says they should be stored in acid-free boxes of the appropriate >> size, but I have not been able to find a vendor selling the right >> size - either labeled as for wire recordings or reel-to-reel audio >> tapes. I imagined I might find 3" reel-to-reel tape boxes at >> Hollinger or Gaylord, but they only go down to 7". The closest >> possibly suitable thing I can find is microfilm storage boxes, but >> those are also slightly bigger (3.75" diameter). >> >> >> >> Does anybody know of a vendor selling acid-free boxes for wire >> recordings? Or has anyone had success getting custom ones made, or >> using something of similar size? >> >> >> >> Thanks! >> >> Paul >> >> >> >> --- >> >> Paul Sutherland >> >> Archivist >> athttps://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.amphilsoc.org_library_CNAIR&d=DwIFAw&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=Kp4tmL90KaBMzYo2uBG6UY1FLVcV8J78ZNTo3170Ups&m=n2FQz1znjkBuCJuvfRFTUwlovOe4m0_Z1ytfGUrtjIQ&s=K4yQ8LNzBK7HMrED2szW92aFTuYEYEtUrWJX8kotcwo&e=<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.amphilsoc.org_library_CNAIR&d=DwIFAw&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=Kp4tmL90KaBMzYo2uBG6UY1FLVcV8J78ZNTo3170Ups&m=n2FQz1znjkBuCJuvfRFTUwlovOe4m0_Z1ytfGUrtjIQ&s=K4yQ8LNzBK7HMrED2szW92aFTuYEYEtUrWJX8kotcwo&e=> >> >> Musician >> athttps://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.hearlambeth.com&d=DwIFAw&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=Kp4tmL90KaBMzYo2uBG6UY1FLVcV8J78ZNTo3170Ups&m=n2FQz1znjkBuCJuvfRFTUwlovOe4m0_Z1ytfGUrtjIQ&s=iAow4vIf0Yo658iZ-0OWoROCEWYOvLOdqB_QbBC6jwE&e=<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.hearlambeth.com&d=DwIFAw&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=Kp4tmL90KaBMzYo2uBG6UY1FLVcV8J78ZNTo3170Ups&m=n2FQz1znjkBuCJuvfRFTUwlovOe4m0_Z1ytfGUrtjIQ&s=iAow4vIf0Yo658iZ-0OWoROCEWYOvLOdqB_QbBC6jwE&e=>