Rich, I have the same problem with my quilt collection inventory which you will see at MCN. > The information you are including in the label attribute, e.g., material-materialname was intended to go into either an element called <facettype> or an attribute of the same name in the <physfacet> element. In the rush of last minuet changes, it didn't make it into Beta but I have suggested its addition to version 1. I personally prefer the attribute model. Would this be a satisfactory solution? Michael >---------- >From: Richard Rinehart[SMTP:[log in to unmask]] >Sent: Thursday, October 02, 1997 4:47 PM >To: Multiple recipients of list EAD >Subject: physdesc/physfacet feedback > >Hi, > >I've been using the EAD to encode finding aids to art collections in our >museum (which are online at >http://www.bampfa.berkeley.edu/search/collectionguides.html) and I'd like >to offer some feedback on changes to the DTD I think might be useful. I >know the EAD comes out of the library/archive worlds, but it is already SO >enormously useful and much-needed in the museum community that I think some >minor considerations which could benefit all, could also make the EAD even >more precise and useful for museums. > >Some feedback has already been given on the need for more detail in the >PHYSDESC/PHYSFACET tags, which is where I also feel a little tweaking is >needed for collections which need to provide more precise information on >the physical aspects, since these are primary access points for us. > >Below I've included some tagging along the lines I've been using for >describing typical museum/art objects. This tagging is currently legal, but >is not perhaps what was envisioned with the PHYSDESC tag so far. In >addition to the AAT for controlled vocabular terms, we use the CDWA >(Catagories for the Descriptions of Works of Art) as the structural >organization for our museum records. The CDWA is not about syntax at all, >and is very flexible that way, allowing us to use it as a model for our >collections database, and (hopefully) in our related systems such as >finding aids to allow integration. > ><C><DID> ><UNITTITLE>Yellow Table on Yellow Background</UNITTITLE> ><UNITDATE>1936</UNITDATE> ><PHYSDESC SOURCE="OTHERSOURCE" OTHERSOURCE="CDWA" >LABEL="measurement-dimensions"> ><DIMENSIONS>41 x 50 inches</DIMENSIONS> ></PHYSDESC> ><PHYSDESC SOURCE="OTHERSOURCE" OTHERSOURCE="CDWA" >LABEL="material-materialname"> ><PHYSFACET>oil on canvas</PHYSFACET> ></PHYSDESC> ></DID> ><CONTROLACCESS> ><GENREFORM SOURCE="AAT" NORMAL="paintings"> ></GENREFORM> ><PERSNAME SOURCE="ULAN" NORMAL="Hofmann, Hans" ROLE="artist">Hans >Hofmann</PERSNAME> ></CONTROLACCESS></C> > >Basically, I found I needed more detail than the EAD currently allowed - >for instance we needed to indicate materials used in the creation of an >object specifically, where the EAD would put that under the broad tag of >PHYSDESC or PHYSFACET. We need to separate this element out from other >elements in the physical description of the object, such as processes used >in it's creation, or dimensions. So, to add granularity to the PHYSDESC I >used the available attributes of source to indicate where I was getting my >lables from, and label to indicate the actual term taken from the CDWA that >describes that facet of it's physical description. This level of info seems >like it would make more sense at the PHYSFACET level, but is not available >there yet. I used hyphens to indicate the level in the heirarchy of the >CDWA that the term occurs at since there are duplicate terms at different >levels. > >Basically something like this allows the person marking up to use the >general EAD tags which are themselves useful, but also to add some >subject/domain-specific structure and detail to them, so art objects might >get extra CDWA-derived attributes added, medieval manuscripts could use >another organization, all in the same framework. If a "source" and "label" >attribute were added to the PHYSFACET element, it would not be overly >complex, EAD users could ignore them or use them. It would maintain the >interoperability of all EAD documents because it does not add an entire >specialized element, and yet it would allow more precise retrieval of >certain types of records, especially in environments of finding aids for >mixed types of collections. (I'm thinking of this one in particular as we >are contributing our finding aids the a larger "UC-EAD" project, which will >have a smattering of art objects/finding aids among many archival finding >aids). Although "label" used to be an attribute of the PHYSFACET element, I >feel that "source" would also be important for precision, since say >medievalists may use the same term as art catalogers ("name" or >"material"), but use it in very different ways. > >So, although it might seem like unneeded complexity, I can think if >immediate practical benefits already. The CDWA comes from the Getty along >with the AAT and ULAN and could be added as an allowed source, or left open >for the user. I'd be curious to hear if current markup can already do what >I'm looking for another way, or if this would create confusion about what a >"controlled vocabulary" is or any other comments as I'm working with this >right now. > >Thanks! > > > > >Richard Rinehart | Berkeley Art Museum/Pacific Film Archive >Systems Manager & Education | University of California >Technology Specialist | 2625 Durant, Berkeley, CA 94720-2250 >[log in to unmask] | http://www.bampfa.berkeley.edu/ >& Board of Directors, Museum Computer Network, http://www.mcn.edu/ >